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| RP | tlwoerner: I think we messed up and shouldn't have merged that... | 07:42 |
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| hcg | Hi Guys, for many years we have been using a combination of systed and sysvinit in our images because we prefer sysvinit as init manager, but we want to use systemd-udev and systemd's dbus. In Wrynose, I note that systemd no longer supports sysvinit compatibility. I was wondering if anyone knows if there are perhaps recipes to build systemd udev and dbus stand-alone without haveing systemd as a distro feature? | 09:38 |
| hcg | Am I flogging a dead horse wanting to stay with sysvinit? Is everyone switching to systemd as init manager? | 09:40 |
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| rburton | eudev is basically a fork of systemd-udev so you can just use that | 09:41 |
| rburton | what do you mean by systemd's dbus? | 09:41 |
| hcg | We were using eudev until a few years ago, but there was a long time it was hardly maintained - and we switched to the systemd version - I have not looked recently to see how eudev is being maintained - there was some other reason we found eudev to be a problem, but it slips my memory for the time-being. I will need to look through commit history | 09:49 |
| hcg | I am finding clarification on systemd's dbus - I have a colleague who created a lot of our dbus implementations, and he mentioned the systemd dbus, but I need to have proper context and will come back as soon as he updates me | 09:51 |
| rburton | personally, systemd does a lot of useful things and is worth evaluating. if you don't want to use it then eudev should still work. or if you really want to use systemd's udev without systemd itself then gentoo has switched to building udev and friends from systemd and using it with openrc (which is why eudev is unmaintained) | 09:55 |
| rburton | patches welcome to switch our eudev recipe to a systemd-utilities-only recipe | 09:55 |
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| rburton | (https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/sys-apps/systemd-utils) | 09:56 |
| hcg | I wondered about wht eudev was not being maintained, thanks for the info | 09:57 |
| rburton | didn't realise gentoo had done that, so if you want to keep with sysv but use bits of systemd i'll help review patches for master | 10:02 |
| hcg | We have an architecture meeting tomorrow afternoon where we will be discussing all the pro's and cons - I just want to try to provide sufficient information and the various available options as input to that meeting | 10:04 |
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| RP | hcg: we're certainly not adverse to switching out eudev, we just didn't realise we needed to and there was a different option | 10:11 |
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| neachdainn | If you really want D-Bus but not systemd, dbus-broker is a thing. I have no idea if there's a BitBake recipe readily available, though. | 11:05 |
| neachdainn | Scratch that. It's in meta-oe | 11:05 |
| rburton | yeah there are people who prefer dbus-broker over normal dbus | 11:08 |
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| hcg | rburton: Our dbus implementation binds to the sd-bus and sd-event APIs of libsystemd - So for our implementation we could build a standalone recipe of libsystemd. | 12:16 |
| hcg | I will also look into dbus-broker | 12:16 |
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| rburton | i suspect if you build _anything_ from systemd you get libsystemd | 12:24 |
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| hcg | The dbus-broker recipe has a direct dependency on systemd | 12:28 |
| hcg | I have not invetigated shy yet, but I will | 12:28 |
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| neachdainn | hcg: As I understand it, that is a dependency of the recipe and not of dbus-broker. | 12:44 |
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| mckoan | am I the only facing issues starting today when bitbaking? "tar: ./usr/lib: Cannot mkdir: Bad address" | 14:02 |
| mckoan | on Ubuntu 22.04 and YP Scarthgap | 14:02 |
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| paulbarker | mckoan: Does that come with other error output? It looks similar to the failure in https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16316, but may not be the same if you don't also see pseudo error output | 14:11 |
| yocton | mckoan: I'm not seeing this : https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/59/builds/4113 => a successful qemux86 world build on Ubuntu22.04 | 14:12 |
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| mckoan | paulbarker: https://pastebin.com/ycdZXHSj | 14:38 |
| paulbarker | mckoan: `got *at() syscall...` and the following two lines are from pseudo, that does look like #16316 | 14:40 |
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| yocton | mckoan: Are you on latest scarthgap? It also look like https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16143 (this one is fixed) | 14:53 |
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| tlwoerner | yocton: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16352 | 15:21 |
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| mckoan | paulbarker: yocton: Replaced the existing tar 1.34 with the new tar 1.35 | 15:31 |
| mckoan | thank you | 15:32 |
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| JfischerOpto22 | mckoan|away We started seeing the same thing in our overnight builds last night. Kirkstone, nothing has changed on our build server in months, just out of the blue. | 21:43 |
| yocton | JfischerOpto22: mckoan: https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/jammy/main/security/tar point to a recent tar update including a new openat2() syscall only handled with recent pseudo | 21:45 |
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| JfischerOpto22 | Oh dang it. | 21:50 |
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| RP | JfischerOpto22: it will have come in from a CVE fix :( | 22:48 |
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