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| khem | RP: we need to consider using buildtools tarball for debian12 hosts, the gcc on it does not support -fcanon-prefix-map and newer verisons of packages are expecting it, e.g. redis, bpftrace to name a few | 05:27 |
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| khem | see - https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/api/v2/logs/7591124/raw_inline | 05:27 |
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| khem | its using gcc12 and we need gcc13 at least for it | 05:30 |
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| khem | or remove deb12 hosts , its EOL since Jun 26 | 05:31 |
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| rob_w | latest tar update on linux mint just broke my scarthgap yocto ?? | 10:04 |
| yocton | rob_w: yup :( | 10:05 |
| yocton | rob_w: I believe this is fixed on latest scarthgap though | 10:05 |
| yocton | rob_w: you need to be at least at https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?h=scarthgap&id=9075b66e1f9161407056924954b3d5507f6d8384 | 10:08 |
| mckoan | rob_w: or manually update tar >= 1.35 | 10:17 |
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| rburton | glares at bitbake wondering why upgrading python3-hatchling is causing a glibc rebuild | 10:41 |
| rburton | probably some horrible dep chain involving systemd | 10:42 |
| rburton | (this is why i want to disable nscd) | 10:42 |
| RP | rburton: it is a horrible dependency | 10:44 |
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| rob_w | thx yocton and mckoan , yeah i reverted the update from mint and i am back in buisness for now | 11:09 |
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| kanavin | khem, debian 12 is supported until end of june 2028 https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/ | 12:20 |
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| kanavin | khem, also, is -fcanon-prefix-map truly required or something that can be patched out? there's a similar issue in systemd update and debian 11, where we're deliberating whether to paper it over with buildtools, someone needs to sit down and do a deep dive on the failure | 12:27 |
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| kanavin | I think RP, generally, would prefer that people patch the issues :) rather than throw their hands in the air :D | 12:30 |
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| RP | we could just use buildtools everywhere or we could just stop testing distros but both kind of defeat what we've been trying to do :( | 12:47 |
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| teknix | fwiw, from a yocto user's pov, i would not be using an LTS distro for development work. | 13:02 |
| RP | teknix: what would you use? | 13:03 |
| teknix | backend file server, NFS, git, svn, etc. then yes... but not for a build machine or workstation. | 13:04 |
| RP | there are big companies who are stuck on RHEL 8 for now | 13:04 |
| teknix | RP: ideally latest stable release | 13:04 |
| teknix | or old-stable, but Debian 12 becomes LTS in 3 days from now, so just saying. | 13:05 |
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| RP | I was just curious. We get asked for LTS a lot | 13:06 |
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| teknix | i suppose it would not be unreasonable to support LTS distro for the older still supported yocto releases, where the distro version was in fact latest at that time (if that makes sense). | 13:15 |
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| yocton | teknix: isn't it what we do? | 13:42 |
| teknix | yocton: could be, i don't know... just my 2 cents worth. | 13:48 |
| teknix | afaics, RHEL 9 was already 2 yrs in when Scarthgap officially released. | 13:48 |
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| tgamblin | is the CRA working group meeting still a thing? there are two of us in the call | 15:02 |
| tgamblin | paulbarker: ^ | 15:02 |
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| yocton | tgamblin: not today : https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/CRA/message/42 | 15:05 |
| mckoan | the next official YP/OE CRA meeting is July 15^th , which is next week. | 15:05 |
| tgamblin | yocton: mckoan: thanks, I let the others know too | 15:05 |
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| kanavin | RP: what we're trying to ask is adding buildtools to aging, soon-eol distros that present clearly seen problems due to their gcc/python/libc being too old for the native stack in master. | 15:23 |
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| kanavin | this doesn't affect testing newest, latest releases without buildtools, and fixing any discovered issues there | 15:25 |
| paulbarker | tgamblin: The date needed switching due to clashes with other meetings, I'll ask David to send out an email | 15:29 |
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| paulbarker | tgamblin: Looks like there was an email, are you subscribed to the CRA list? https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/CRA/topic/120163148 | 15:40 |
| tgamblin | paulbarker: I'm not, that explains things :) | 15:41 |
| * tgamblin can't actually remember signing up for the meeting itself, but it's in the calendar... | 15:42 | |
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| hcg | RP: rburton: We had an architecture meeting today about continuing with sysvinit or switching to systemd, and after a lot of deliberation, it was decided we switch to systemd | 15:47 |
| rburton | hcg: fair enough | 15:47 |
| hcg | I will only be working for the company until the end of October, when they kick me out (forced retirement, only happens in certain places!), so I think they want me to do the transiotion before I retire because there is not really anyone else who would be able to take that on within the company... | 15:49 |
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| rburton | heh well that could be fun :) | 15:51 |
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