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| RP | khem: the qemu upgrade is broken and was blocking builds so I had to stop your meta-oe one | 07:36 |
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| aduskett | Update: RPM 6 is going to have to go in first | 07:46 |
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| aduskett | in the meantime I will add OpenJDK 21 and 17 to my meta-java layer | 08:05 |
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| yannd | is the bitbake 2.16 branch still open for backports? It'd be great for us to have "goh1_file: deal with false positives from is_zipfile" there | 08:24 |
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| paulbarker | yannd: 2.16 is whinlatter so that's now end-of-life | 08:29 |
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| yannd | yep, upgrading my codebase to wrynose could be a good idea... | 08:37 |
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| kanavin | yannd, to master is better | 09:04 |
| yannd | well, we're likely going to have our own LTS on this stuff, so wrynose looks like the better candidate | 09:09 |
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| aduskett | What would cause a recipe to assign PV to 0.0-1? | 09:58 |
| RP | aduskett: poorly named filename for the recipe? | 09:59 |
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| aduskett | RP, I thought so as well.. but meta-java/recipes-java/openjdk/openjdk_21.0.12.1+1.bb seems to be ok sometimes? | 10:00 |
| aduskett | It's really odd | 10:00 |
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| RP | aduskett: you can see the function PV uses in it's definition in bitbake.conf | 10:07 |
| aduskett | oh neat | 10:09 |
| aduskett | There we go. That works. Thanks RP! | 10:17 |
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| aduskett | sweet. OpenJDK 25 and 21 now compile. Testing 17... | 10:47 |
| RP | nice | 10:47 |
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| aduskett | now if only there was a way to programmatically set PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-bin-native | 10:49 |
| aduskett | As it must match PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk | 10:50 |
| RP | PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-bin-native = "${PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk}" | 10:50 |
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| * RP is taking you literally | 10:51 | |
| aduskett | RP, lol | 10:51 |
| aduskett | I mean.. yes | 10:51 |
| aduskett | I was thinking something like `d.setVar("PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-bin-native", d.getVar("PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk"))` but alas | 10:51 |
| aduskett | I think the best course of action is to check if those two match, and if not throw a bb.fatal | 10:52 |
| aduskett | But it would be nice to make the user ONLY set PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk as the bin-native package is just a bootstrap package | 10:52 |
| RP | We do set groups of PREFERRED_VERSIONs in conf files in core | 10:54 |
| aduskett | hmmm | 10:55 |
| aduskett | I can dig that | 10:55 |
| aduskett | Force the user to set OPENJDK_VERSION and then set the PREFERRED_VERSIONS to that? | 10:56 |
| RP | aduskett: just putting it there as an idea... | 10:56 |
| aduskett | I like it | 10:56 |
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| aduskett | ooo | 11:16 |
| aduskett | I went the meta-virtualization route | 11:16 |
| aduskett | inherit a sanity check bbclass in conf/layer.conf and set PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk-bin-native there | 11:16 |
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| Saur | I'm getting mixed signals. In a mail sent out yesterday by LF Event, it says that Yocto Dev Day is on Monday October 5, but on their web site, it says that it is on Tuesday October 6. Which is correct? | 11:53 |
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| paulbarker | Saur: LF are clearly confused! https://events.linuxfoundation.org/open-source-summit-europe/features/co-located-events/#yocto-project-developer-day shows it as Tuesday which is correct | 12:13 |
| paulbarker | Saur: I've emailed the LF events team to ask for a correction to be sent out. Thanks for flagging that up! | 12:17 |
| Saur | Ok :) | 12:17 |
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| aduskett | Man | 14:17 |
| aduskett | Every time I do a fresh compile without sstate cache I am reminded just how awful glibc-locale is. 30+ minutes on a core i9 14900k with 32gb of ram to package it | 14:17 |
| aduskett | WHY?1 | 14:17 |
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| RP- | aduskett: that does seem a bit slow, as if it isn't being parallelised... | 14:21 |
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| khem | RP: ok np | 14:22 |
| aduskett | RP-, yeah, it's not a fun package. It also eats up 8+ gigs of ram while packaging lol | 14:22 |
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| aduskett | It's the only package I have ran into that does this. | 14:23 |
| RP- | aduskett: I'd have to wonder what locale settings you're using. Binary locale generation is painful but shouldn't be that bad... | 14:23 |
| aduskett | RP-, kas-container 5.4. Which I think is debian 13 | 14:24 |
| aduskett | My host is FC44 | 14:24 |
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| RP | aduskett: I don't know. Something doesn't sound right but I don't know what | 14:24 |
| aduskett | RP, I tend to get angry at it, and then forget about it a day later because I don't clear sstate cache too often lol | 14:25 |
| * RP wonders if his network might work a bit better for a while now :/ | 14:25 | |
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| aduskett | I also forget just how slow checking out linux-yocto is. 40 minutes and at 88% on a wired gigabit connection 0_0 | 14:28 |
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| yannd | I have a python() block in a class, which reads some file:// to append to SRC_URI. That's more or less working except 1) I cannot use SRC_URI to locate it (I actually use another variable to point to a local file and add an SRC_URI entry from it - I'm not too dissatisfied here but I feel it's not 100% clean), and 2) that python code does not get executed in the next run if I touch that file from which SRC_URI gets derived, looks like something | 15:05 |
| yannd | gets cached but I'm not sure what and why (which is necessary to think about a proper solution). Any insights? | 15:05 |
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| yannd | For reference the code is https://github.com/xcp-ng/dnf-bridge/pull/1/changes#diff-d8e213b61b935a9335130b568a63a26a0345dccfdba985081fd684c1601f1e2e | 15:14 |
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| RP | yannd: you probably need to mark the file as a dependency of the SRC_URI variable | 15:34 |
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| RP | yannd: things like do_fetch[file-checksums] = "${@bb.fetch.get_checksum_file_list(d)} | 15:36 |
| RP | that is adding file checksums to the fetch task | 15:36 |
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| yannd | thx, will dig that | 15:41 |
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| devonian_invader | what exactly does the "commercial" flag mean in LICENSE_FLAGS? | 15:44 |
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| RP | devonian_invader: that there are potential things you need to think about with the code it gates such as patents/licenses to use the codecs | 15:48 |
| aduskett | sweet | 15:48 |
| aduskett | https://github.com/aduskett/meta-java/tree/wrynose | 15:48 |
| aduskett | Compiles OpenJDK 17/21/25! | 15:48 |
| devonian_invader | why is it a generic "commercial" flag and not e.g. a specific flag per package? | 15:49 |
| devonian_invader | wouldn't any patant restrictions be different for every package? | 15:49 |
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| paulbarker | devonian_invader: Software patents is a complex topic, with different considerations depending on jurisdiction so we can't list everything out in each recipe file. You can override LICENSE_FLAGS_ACCEPTED for a specific recipe rather than universally if you need to | 15:53 |
| aduskett | Tomorrow I will move our fork of meta-java to the company github and I will make sure it passes all compliance checks so we can get it up on the yocto layer list | 15:53 |
| aduskett | s/our/my | 15:53 |
| devonian_invader | paulbarker: right, but does it ever make sense to have `LICENSE_FLAGS_ACCEPTED = "commercial"`? | 15:54 |
| fray | depends on the use-case, but yes. People do that | 15:54 |
| paulbarker | devonian_invader: Yes, if you're building for internal use and not distributing the resulting images for example | 15:54 |
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| devonian_invader | ok, but even internal use can infringe patents | 15:56 |
| fray | but that is up to the users to determine, not the open source project | 15:56 |
| aduskett | paulbarker, should I rename our fork of meta-java to something else? Or can I keep the name meta-java as the original meta-java is abandoned? | 15:57 |
| Xogium | had to do this for my ffmpeg custom build | 15:58 |
| Xogium | the only component here that needed it | 15:58 |
| devonian_invader | so when would you use some other license flag? | 15:59 |
| devonian_invader | e.g. what isn't covered under "commercial" | 15:59 |
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| paulbarker | aduskett: Good question, let me look at the existing meta-java repo and get back to you | 16:05 |
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| aduskett | paulbarker, thanks! | 16:06 |
| paulbarker | devonian_invader: LICENSE_FLAGS can also be used for proprietary software that has an EULA | 16:06 |
| devonian_invader | so commercial is only for codecs? | 16:07 |
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| fray | we use license of commercial with a license flag of xilinx for a few components that have license restrictions where they can only be used on AMD (xilinx) FPGAs. | 16:11 |
| paulbarker | aduskett: There are four maintainers listed for meta-java. I can ping them and see if I get any reply. I'd prefer to have one meta-java layer on git.yoctoproject.org that is maintained so we could discuss with the TSC transferring maintainership if the current maintainers are dead | 16:11 |
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| aduskett | paulbarker, yeah, the complaint a few days ago is that none of the maintainers respond to emails anymore. If you can get a response that would be quite nice! | 16:14 |
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| aduskett | But considering that java8 is still the only java supported, they don't respond to emails, and java8 can't even build, I am not hopeful | 16:18 |
| aduskett | paulbarker, see: https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-devel/message/114958 | 16:19 |
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| aduskett | and he wants to keep JDK8, which, I kind of understand, but I prefer to drop it completely as it's a nightmare to compile | 16:22 |
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| aduskett | compared to 17/21/25 (and even 11!) | 16:23 |
| aduskett | and considering his message was "I won't do anything until JRE8 compiles cleanly" I just won't submit patches to meta-java lol | 16:25 |
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| fray | I thought 'meta-java' was focused on jdk8.. there were (at least at one time) peoople working on meta-java-<ver> for other versions | 16:29 |
| aduskett | fray, https://github.com/meta-java/meta-java/issues/6 | 16:31 |
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| aduskett | The maintainers wanted to add support for > 8 but never implemented it | 16:31 |
| aduskett | It would be silly to have a meta-java-${version} for each version of java. Especially since >= 17 all compile with practically the same flags | 16:32 |
| fray | java versions are incompatible with each other, and there are a lot of people still on VERY old versions due to ancient software requriements. Now how this fits into the world of embedded, I have no idea. I'm only really familar with Java in more of the enterprise space and it's a mess | 16:35 |
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| aduskett | fray, and if they want to run an ancient version of JRE then they can use an ancient version of Yocto lol | 16:39 |
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| aduskett | fray, I have neither the time, nor the willpower, nor the need to support JRE8, and the way I set up my meta-java, a user simply has to PREFERRED_VERSION_openjdk to either 17% or 21% or do nothing at all and they get 25 | 16:40 |
| Xogium | erm just how painful will it be migrating from kirkstone to whatever the current lts is these days? Anything nasty lurking in a corner just waiting for me to trip over it? | 16:44 |
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| paulbarker | Xogium: We have migration guides, e.g. https://docs.yoctoproject.org/migration-guides/migration-6.0.html for wrynose. It's worth reviewing the ones between kirkstone and wrynose | 17:01 |
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| Xogium | paulbarker: thank you :) | 17:09 |
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| kanavin | paulbarker, current maintainers are not dead :) just thoroughly not wanting anything to do with meta-java as it is now. I suspect they all will be fine with aduskett ripping it apart and replacing old stuff with modern java completely. | 20:26 |
| kanavin | "A quick correction to our previous email: Yocto Project Developer Day will take place on Tuesday, 6 October, in conjunction with Open Source Summit + Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2026. | 20:27 |
| kanavin | " | 20:27 |
| kanavin | agodard, pretty much yes. The 'rude' version is actually still pretty mild, I could make it ruder :) | 20:32 |
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