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| kanavin_ | devonian_invader, you need to provide at least a little bit about your situation, otherwise it's very hard to give a useful answer | 07:56 |
| kanavin_ | let's say bitbake-setup is the official tool of the yocto project, and that in itself should be a heavy plus | 07:56 |
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| aduskett | excellent. The DNF maintainers decided to up the required GCC version from 10.1 to 14 | 08:14 |
| kanavin_ | we struggle with this all the time for native pieces. upstream all work from their employer's distro assumptions, e.g. they don't need to backport dnf to old rhel | 08:16 |
| aduskett | exactly. I don't blame them | 08:17 |
| aduskett | It's just... I wish there was a good way for yocto to detect a hosts gcc version and tell a user "no, your gcc version is too old for this software" | 08:17 |
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| aduskett | It's not unreasonable for developers to want to use standards in C++ that have been around for 6 years lol | 08:21 |
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| aduskett | And I certainly don't the "Will this update necessitate a new patch because of GCC < 14?" game lol | 08:24 |
| Tyaku | In our case, we build using podman, because in the past we had some issues like what you discribe. Now we don't need to have the same distributions and distributions version on each computers to build Yocto project. | 08:29 |
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| Tyaku | (podman is something like docker but rootless). | 08:29 |
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| yocton | aduskett: "I wish there was a good way for yocto to detect a hosts gcc version and tell a user "no, your gcc version is too old for this software"" => We do have a compiler version check https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes-global/sanity.bbclass?id=871cc04305fe7483a4c256f38fa63a67cef82183#n516 | 08:37 |
| aduskett | yocton, yeah, but with DNF, I doubt the maintainers would want to enforce newer GCC versions :) | 08:43 |
| aduskett | and gcc 10.1 is what DNF required before 5.4.4.0 | 08:44 |
| aduskett | yocton, so yeah, there's an overall "yocto only works with gcc <= $version" but nothing for individual packages :( | 08:45 |
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| RP | aduskett: what would that buy us? A message that debian12 + rpm rootfs isn't supported? | 09:46 |
| RP | either we support a host distro or we don't | 09:46 |
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| aduskett | RP, you can install gcc 14 on Debian 12. :) | 10:03 |
| aduskett | Or use a container | 10:04 |
| rburton | _if_ debian12 was the one distro _and_ there's an official gcc14 package in the feed then i think we could consider making that a requirement. i suspect thats not the only problem though. | 10:05 |
| RP | aduskett: it isn't really debian12 any more. We could just mandate buildtools there but it defeats much of the point of spporting it | 10:05 |
| aduskett | sure | 10:05 |
| aduskett | I agree | 10:05 |
| aduskett | I just don't want to be the one stuck supporting dnf5 if it means playing whack-a-mole with patches for older gcc versions every time the recipe is updated to a new version :) | 10:06 |
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