| khem | fray: uutils seems to be using *at versions of calls and its legit to pass NULL paths to them and they seems to use AT_EMPTY_PATH as well | 00:00 |
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| khem | does pseudo try to canonicalize all paths ? if it does then null will throw it off rails | 00:00 |
| khem | src/uucore/src/lib/features/safe_traversal.rs: fchmodat(&self.fd, name_cstr.as_c_str(), mode, flags) | 00:03 |
| khem | name_cstr is a CString so it can not be null :( | 00:11 |
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| fray | I posted the other day a possible fix for this, just treat a null path the same as a blank path, if the AT_EMPTY_PATH is defined. | 00:28 |
| fray | go to pseudo_client.c, the base_path function. Combined the if !path and !*path functions. | 00:30 |
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| qschulz | walter: yes, v2 works. Try to take the habit of documenting what changed between versions (you can do so by adding stuff below the --- line in the patch, it'll appear in the patch but not once merged) | 09:23 |
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| walter | will do. thank | 09:52 |
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| mckoan | Do you think it's worth spending a few words in the Doc about the setting proposed by recent builds INSANE_SKIP += "32bit-time"? | 11:33 |
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| kanavin | mckoan, depends on what the words are | 11:56 |
| kanavin | in all likelihood the correct fix is addressing the issue, not suppressing it with INSANE_SKIP | 11:56 |
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| mckoan | kanavin: in fact I was actually surprised to see that automatic comment | 12:38 |
| kanavin | mckoan, then probably the comment itself should be improved? | 12:39 |
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| walter | I have a potential war-inducing question. Do folks here use IDEs from JetBrains? What do you have for `fs.inotify.max_user_watches`? Mine is at 1048576 and it's way to low. The default I think is 65K or something like that. | 14:13 |
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| walter | I used to go with 256K for web dev stuf, and it was enough, Increasted it to 1M for Yocto, but it's still not enough. | 14:14 |
| walter | Though, there's an issue I found, something about not really ignoring directories in CLion. It could be related to that. | 14:16 |
| walter | s/could be/is probably/ | 14:16 |
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| paulbarker | walter: Is the IDE trying to monitor the build directory? As a workaround I could suggest building outside of the "project directory" that's open in the IDE | 14:42 |
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| walter | Yeap, it's trying to monitor for changes, but it doesn't do anything with them, so it's just wasting resources. The JB staff reasigned the ticket that was stale for a few months now. So that's good news. | 16:02 |
| walter | I will probably move the build dir outside, and just add a symbolic link to the conf directory. | 16:03 |
| walter | At one moment there were more than 7 million files that the IDE was trying to monitor. So that clearly isn't the way to go. | 16:03 |
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| walter | So, yesterday I've ran into that issue with core-image-weston not building because of a missing REQUIRED_DISTRO_FEATURES, now I'm running into something that is similar, but this time everything seems to be in place. | 16:09 |
| walter | https://paste.sr.ht/blob/be61a6982c3e77e9bb3916230d9b480e01000bcf | 16:10 |
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| walter | So, I'm building core-image-weston, and then I'm removing "wayland" form DISTRO_FEATURES and I'm expecting to get an error because of the missing "x11" feature, but I don't and REQUIRED_DISTRO_FEATURES is set to "x11". so I should get that. | 16:13 |
| rburton | walter: tell jetbrains to not look into the build tree, easy | 16:14 |
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| * walter tried to tell jetbrains to lot look into his build files. But wasn't successful. | 16:15 | |
| rburton | walter: also you can happily have the build tree outside the layers, my layers are ~/Yocto/oe-core etc but the build tree and conf is /work/ross/build | 16:15 |
| walter | Interesting, I've been git submodule add a bajilion times, each time I tried something new... it was starting to get tiresome and was thinking of looking into kas, even for small test projects. | 16:16 |
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| walter | I think I have just found the root cause of the erorr above, I'll wait for the build to finish and try it again, then I'll submit a patch if that's the case. There's an extra features_check that probably shouldn't exist, a sort of self-reference, which is present on the x11 side, but not on wayland. | 16:22 |
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| rburton | walter: x11 isn't _needed_ for weston. if available, it gives you xwayland. | 16:26 |
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| walter | Yes, I know, I'm now trying core-image-sato in the same setup that lead to these: https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/27789.1761647877934206211@lists.openembedded.org/T/ https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20251028115035.966245-1-contact@schnwalter.eu/T/ | 16:33 |
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| rburton | i'd quibble that "did you forget to set distro" isn't really the right message - its always set. nodistro is a distro, its the default distro. | 16:35 |
| walter | yeah, but how does one frame it such that a noob knows what to do? 'cause an experienced user will instantly recognize what to do uppon seeing that error. So no details are needed for experienced users. | 16:37 |
| walter | After running into the issue once, I already know what to look for. But that sort of message is meant for somebody who is just getting started with yocto and running into issues on his first "adventure" outside of the tested path that is in the docs. | 16:40 |
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| kanavin | walter, the message should say that one should either set DISTRO_FEATURES or set a different DISTRO that has them already enabled. | 16:45 |
| kanavin | yocto has a steep curve, we can try to make messages better, but there's potentially an infinite chain of 'going into details for newcomers' for any issue they have | 16:46 |
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| walter | The original message was: | 17:09 |
| walter | core-image-weston was skipped: missing required distro feature 'wayland' (not in DISTRO_FEATURES) | 17:09 |
| walter | This one is shorter and provides more info: | 17:09 |
| walter | core-image-weston was skipped: DISTRO 'nodistro' is missing required DISTRO_FEATURES: 'wayland' | 17:09 |
| walter | and I would rephrase the other errors from that section to just mention the variable directly. | 17:10 |
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| kanavin | walter, the new message is less accurate | 17:12 |
| kanavin | DISTRO_FEATURES are not necessarily set in the DISTRO config | 17:13 |
| kanavin | users can put it in local.conf for instance | 17:13 |
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| kanavin | so using nodistro, and then adding needed bits in local.conf is an entirely valid way to address it, but the message implies that the DISTRO definition itself needs to be fixed | 17:14 |
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| walter | I've no clue how to make it more user friendly without adding a ton of wording, which is already problematic in Yocto. But I have an idea, not sure if people will like it, but I think it's worth a try: | 17:38 |
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| walter | What if we start adding some error codes, like a random string of 8 characters, like the ones for commit IDs, and have them explained in a dedicated docs page. It's searchable and you immediately have a pattern to look for in the wall of text that you see. I've seen similar things in other projects, like typescript, and it's quite nice to be able to search for a short string for an error. | 17:41 |
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| kanavin | walter, this requires a dedicated team to maintain :-/ | 17:48 |
| walter | And some of the error messages aren't really searchable, like this one: `conflicting %s feature%s '%s' (in %s_FEATURES)`. You can't look into the code for it, but if we add some sort of identifier, it would be much easy to search for. And the identifier could be scoped, somehow. | 17:48 |
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| walter | not really, one just updates the detailed description when something changes in the code and you don't need all errors added at once. it can be done in steps. | 17:49 |
| kanavin | walter, yes, except no one would actually bother to do that | 17:51 |
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| walter | The thing is, I need to learn, so there's no better way than dive right into the code. | 17:54 |
| kanavin | but you can run the idea by agodard, maybe he'll be into it :) | 17:54 |
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| walter | I've seen that there is a `maintainers.inc`, I'm thinking something on those lines. | 17:54 |
| kanavin | maintainers.inc is largely a shamble, sadly | 17:54 |
| kanavin | we've had to delist a lot of people, because they tend to just vanish over time | 17:55 |
| kanavin | I understand this may sound cynical and jaded, but this is the reality of the yocto project | 17:56 |
| qschulz | we do have something similar with the QA check | 17:56 |
| walter | I can imagine, I've seen similar issues in other projects. | 17:56 |
| kanavin | I'd say it's rare that you can't figure out a grep expression for the error you're seeing. Sometimes you need to stack the greps, e.g. grep "conflicting"| grep "features" | 17:59 |
| kanavin | and that would find the one above | 17:59 |
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| jmd | What's the easiest way to find out what package might provide a particular binary? | 18:09 |
| kanavin | jmd, what is the binary you're looking for? | 18:10 |
| jmd | Well right now its rcc, but I'd appreciate a general answer to my question. | 18:11 |
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| kanavin | jmd, [ak@fedora bitbake]$ rcc | 18:12 |
| kanavin | bash: rcc: command not found... | 18:12 |
| kanavin | Install package 'qt-devel' to provide command 'rcc'? [N/y] ^C | 18:12 |
| kanavin | debian has similar ways | 18:13 |
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| jmd | So. How do I find that out? | 18:14 |
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| kanavin | you type the name of the executable on your fedora machine, and it will tell you which package it's in if it isn't installed | 18:15 |
| jmd | I don't have a fedora machine. | 18:15 |
| kanavin | if it is installed, run 'rpm -qf /usr/bin/rcc' | 18:15 |
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| jmd | And since this is #yocto, I assumed you would know that I meant yocto.oe packages. Not anything else. | 18:16 |
| kanavin | jmd, https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents | 18:16 |
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| kanavin | jmd, there's no general database of what recipes install what files | 18:16 |
| kanavin | you have to first look it up on your host distro, then map it to a potential recipe in some layer | 18:16 |
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| kanavin | you asked for the easiest way, this is the easiest way | 18:17 |
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| jmd | Ok. So what you are saying is, there is no easy way. | 18:17 |
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| kanavin | there's no 'run this command to find out' answer, if that's what you mean | 18:18 |
| jmd | That would have been ideal. | 18:19 |
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| kanavin | but that would require maintaining a database of what recipe installs what files, across all layers | 18:19 |
| kanavin | there's layerindex, but it does not include that information | 18:19 |
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| kanavin | but yocto builds from same upstream components as binary distros, and those do have such databases, so I would use them :-) | 18:20 |
| jmd | I guess I was hoping for something a little less vague than '.. look it up ... then map it ... to ...' | 18:21 |
| qschulz | and just to add to this, we're not lazy, it's just info we cannot give someone because packages may not be built if you don't select a non-default PACKAGECONFIG, or select a DISTRO with the proper feature, files may be part of different packages depending on which PACKAGECONFIG is selected | 18:22 |
| qschulz | it's really non-trivial | 18:22 |
| qschulz | so sadly, it's what all of us have been doing. If you're lucky, one of your recipes already build the file you need and oe-pkgdata-util find-path will tell you which one | 18:23 |
| qschulz | if not, then grepping the layers may return something, otherwise like kanavin said | 18:23 |
| kanavin | quite often recipes make no mention of binary names they install, if everything is standard and packaging works by default | 18:24 |
| qschulz | indeed | 18:24 |
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| jmd | Ohh. oe-pkgdata-util find-path /usr/bin/rcc -> qtbase-tools: /usr/bin/rcc | 18:25 |
| jmd | Thanks. | 18:25 |
| kanavin | only because you already have the layer added and the recipe built :) in a 'cold boot' scenario it would not help | 18:26 |
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| qschulz | wondering if it still wouldn't be useful to list the packages installing which file in the layerindex, for the images we already build | 18:27 |
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| qschulz | i'm a bit worried this may render things more confusing | 18:27 |
| kanavin | qschulz, I think layerindex works strictly from layer metadata, and this would require a significant rework to also mesh that with packaging data from builds | 18:28 |
| kanavin | also, layerindex is most useful for finding out about various ecosystem layers and recipes those offer, e.g. ones that aren't built on the autobuilder at all | 18:30 |
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| walter | For finding what provides a file, as a Yocto noob, I've resorted to what I know, aka: the package manager. In my case `dnf provides rcc`, but there's `apt-file search`, `zypper search`, and many others, every distro I've tried over the years had something similar. | 18:33 |
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| wdouglass | I have a bitbake recipe with a few subpackages, each of which installs a systemd service. I'd like to have some of the services enabled by default, but not all of them. It seems if i set SYSTEMD_AUTO_ENABLE="enabled", they all get enabled. Is there any way to do this in a more fine-grained way, or should i split my packages into seperate recipes? | 19:09 |
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| paulbarker | wdouglass: You can set `SYSTEMD_AUTO_ENABLE:foo` where foo is the package name to override it for individual packages | 19:23 |
| paulbarker | See for example https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-core/util-linux/util-linux_2.41.1.bb#n216 | 19:24 |
| AdrianF | wdouglass: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-SYSTEMD_SERVICE, allows to list services which get enabled. Just not adding a service does not enable it. | 19:25 |
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| AdrianF | wdouglass: with package spit also https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-SYSTEMD_PACKAGES is needed | 19:28 |
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| jmd | If I put RDEPENDS:${PN} = "foo" in a recipe, then the utilities that foo supplies should be put in PATH. Should they not? | 19:28 |
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| wdouglass | paulbarker: AdrianF: i see, thank you. I think i've got it working | 19:39 |
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| wdouglass | jmd: if foo puts them in the path, then yes, i think so | 20:05 |
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| rburton | jmd: well, foo should put binaries in entries that are in PATH (eg /usr/bin). obviously don't get DEPENDS and RDEPENDS mixed up though. | 20:20 |
| jmd | rburton: I think perhaps that's what I've done :( | 20:22 |
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