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| rburton | walter: correct, package-index is not ran automatically | 11:41 |
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| rburton | RP: can we close https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10429 now that rdepends and native sort of works? | 14:57 |
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| RP | rburton: there hasn't been any change though, that "sort of" was there for over a decade | 15:02 |
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| rburton | also i think we should add a core-image-minimal build to buildperf. would be useful to track size changes there compared to sato. | 15:05 |
| RP | rburton: yes, that would be nice. I wonder if we should stop doing with/without rm_wmr | 15:05 |
| rburton | i don't see the point in that | 15:05 |
| RP | rburton: it doubles the build perf testing time :/ | 15:05 |
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| rburton | exactly | 15:06 |
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| rburton | i mean i don't see the point in the test | 15:06 |
| RP | rburton: it does show the effect rm_work has on tmpdir and also whether it changes overall build speed | 15:06 |
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| rburton | "meh" | 15:06 |
| RP | one could be tested differently | 15:06 |
| rburton | smaller tmpdir, obviously. unless something goes terribly wrong, the build time is marginally impacted | 15:06 |
| RP | rburton: we've just avoided changing the tests. Should wait until after M4 | 15:07 |
| rburton | (59m to 61m in the chart from a few weeks ago i'm looking at) | 15:07 |
| rburton | yeah i'll poke but not right now | 15:07 |
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| rburton | hm and the from sstate test has to do _another_ build even though it runs immediately after the non-sstate build | 15:10 |
| fray | coming in late to the discussion, but I've seen many cases where not using rm_work hides problems.. people copying from the wrong deploydir, etc. | 15:13 |
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| walter | Question: Now that 6.16 is EOL, do folks jump directly to 6.18? What about whinlatter, will we get an update on this tomorrow? | 15:14 |
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| rburton | fray: sure, but this is just the performance metrics. not sure i can be bothered with a whole build from clean just to verify that rmwork is a tiny bit slower.... | 15:14 |
| rburton | walter: 6.17 is already in master-next and there's discussion on the lists, but yes you can ask tomorrow in the call if it doesn't come up | 15:15 |
| paulbarker | walter: Also see https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/CADkTA4P6JOKd1p7B7GbO3DhCx2YuK5jUuuuJAvoOiidz+dukcQ@mail.gmail.com/ | 15:16 |
| fray | for rm_work, it's not a build from clean.. it's a build from sstate-cache we've found the most issues with | 15:16 |
| rburton | paulbarker: ah i need to read more! | 15:16 |
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| fray | people seem to like to copy from the install dir to the deploy dir in ways that break things when using rm_work.. or deploy dir to the tmp/deploy... etc.. rm_work's found a bunch of it.. | 15:17 |
| rburton | fray: sure, but the discussion was specifically about the performance builds | 15:17 |
| fray | (to be fair I think in 4 or 5 years we've only found one issue w/ YP in that regards, but we have found issues with other layers including meta-openembedded) | 15:18 |
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| fray | that's fine. I figured the performance was doing double duty though | 15:18 |
| walter | Thanks. | 15:18 |
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| khem | RP:perf workaround for race condition breaks perf when built from kernel 6.1 | 15:43 |
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| khem | maybe checking KERNEL_VERSION and only apply the workaround when kernel is >= 6.16 might be good what say ? | 15:45 |
| zeddii | alternatively. don't try and mix and match so many kernel versions with master. | 15:47 |
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| zeddii | it is just pushing complexity on us. | 15:47 |
| zeddii | I'd be strongly against version checks in the perf recipe. | 15:48 |
| RP | I agree version is a poor way or determining what to do, we need a better way :/ | 15:48 |
| RP | can we go do the existence of a file maybe? | 15:48 |
| RP | It is tricky to support lots of versions and I worry about trying :/ | 15:48 |
| zeddii | we've done that in past (the file check) definitely better, since just because a version shows up. we can't really trust it, since we know knowing about what else might be in that kernel. | 15:49 |
| khem | yeah the install_headers target does not exist, files do | 15:49 |
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| khem | perf-1.0/tools/lib/api' | 15:51 |
| khem | | make: *** No rule to make target 'install_headers'. Stop. | 15:51 |
| khem | ls | 15:52 |
| RP | khem: we could probably grep a makefile for it and make the block conditional on that? | 15:52 |
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| khem | probably, whatever zeddii and you liek | 15:52 |
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| khem | zeddii: not pushing on to you but 6.1 is LTS kernel and still supported :) | 15:53 |
| zeddii | not in master ;) | 15:54 |
| khem | so hard to convince SOCs | 15:54 |
| zeddii | that's why we move on. too much technical debt. | 15:54 |
| rburton | zeddii: if its useful, there's a makefile-getvar tool in scripts/ to get a variable from a makefile | 15:54 |
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| khem | oooh makefile-getvar is interesting | 15:55 |
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| walter | It's not clear from the docs, can I go `# CONFIG_EFI is not set` in a kernel configuration fragment? Will it override the default `=y` value? Or will it be treated like a random comment? | 16:47 |
| khem | walter: if you have used merge_config.sh its behaves in same fashion, it should disable it in final config | 16:49 |
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| khem | you should see diagnostics from configme in case of anamolies | 16:50 |
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| Guest94 | has anyone ever worked with CMake in the Yocto SDK? It seems very weird to me that in the openembedded-core/meta/recipes-devtools/cmake the SDK installs an /usr/share/cmake/OEToolchainConfig.cmake file which then goes in a loop and includes all the files inside /usr/share/cmake/OEToolchainConfig.cmake.d which makes sense but then it also adds a | 16:59 |
| Guest94 | SDKToolchainConfig.cmake.template file which later gets processed into a regular .cmake file but it gets placed in the /usr/share/cmake rather than in the other directory that I've mentioned .. which in turn means that the sdk toolchain file gets installed in the SDK but never actually gets found by OEToolchainConfig.cmake... is this intended | 16:59 |
| Guest94 | behaviour? | 16:59 |
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| walter | Thanks! I've sent a patch: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/topic/patch_kernel_dev_add/116101615 | 17:06 |
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| Guest94 | florian_kc: | 17:12 |
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| Guest94 | is this the right place to ask questions about using Yocto SDK? I am here for the first time | 17:19 |
| walter | Yes, but you should have more patience. | 17:20 |
| Guest94 | I see! thanks! | 17:20 |
| walter | I saw your message, but I've no clue about that feature, never used it. | 17:20 |
| Guest94 | that's fair, just wanted to make sure I'm in the right place :) | 17:22 |
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| rburton | Guest94: toolchains and sdks and cmake are "interesting", its possible that things have bitrotted as various changes were made. | 17:24 |
| walter | Guest94: just so you know, on IRC people are idle a lot and you should probably stick around if you want answers to your questions. People answer, but sometimes they see your message the next day, that's why I said you need more patience. | 17:26 |
| Guest94 | walter: makes sense! thanks a lot for letting me know! so I suppose its better if I sign up with an actual account somehow, I am expecting the web session to expire at some point :) | 17:29 |
| walter | You don't need an account per se, you can just stick around, but I would recommend an actual IRC dedicated app, not a browser tab, they are usually light weight and are available in your distro package manager (if you use Linux) | 17:30 |
| walter | s/they/the dedicated apps/ | 17:31 |
| rburton | irccloud.com is awesome | 17:32 |
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| walter | oh, that's how people stay online around here? I though everybody has their own bouncer installed on some server somewhere, I remember them from the days when everybody was on IRC. | 17:34 |
| rburton | many are sufficiently old school that they still have bouncers, but many (including me) just use irccloud | 17:35 |
| walter | it's free... that's strange. Over the years I've learned to not like that, there's not such thing as free beer. :) | 17:36 |
| rburton | the "always online" is gated behind payment | 17:36 |
| walter | So, they do make money? nice. | 17:37 |
| rburton | well I've given them money for almost a decade now so they make something at least :) | 17:37 |
| Guest94 | irc bouncer as in something that keeps sending keepalives in the background? | 17:39 |
| walter | but it's strange how their UI is made, it's intentionally hiding the fact that they have to pay the bills and eat.. | 17:39 |
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| rburton | Guest94: something on a server and stays online on your behalf | 17:41 |
| rburton | ive been considering moving from irccloud to https://soju.im | 17:41 |
| walter | About IRC stuff, I saw in some old wiki pages or some notes, somewhere, that the Yocto project was pondering if Matrix would be a good fit, is that subject still alive? are you still interested in finding out if it works for you? | 17:44 |
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| rburton | for a while there was a bridge, it kept on dying | 17:46 |
| walter | Nice. I know the postmarketOS folks are using Matrix as a main platform and they have a bridge to IRC, that seems to work for them, but they do see from time to time a hundred or so going offline and then comming back online, all at once. | 17:48 |
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| walter | What I'm trying to say is that "It works, when it works." :)) | 17:49 |
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| walter | Looks like I found a candidate for my first recipe: soju. At one point I wanted to make a recipe for gioui Golang apps, but I was too new to the project and wasn't able to do it, I kept running into problems, I should probably start with something smaller, with something like soju. | 17:53 |
| rburton | master has tooling to generate go recipe manifests | 17:54 |
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| khem | walter: bridge does not work for libera it works for other IRC networks like oftc, unfortunately OE/YP channels use libera | 17:55 |
| khem | it worked for a while but then it was discontinues | 17:55 |
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| walter | I saw those, but they didn't work for me, the tools have some assuptions that aren't really compatible with all sort of go project, it only works for "mainstream" ones, I'll look into this when I have the time and try to send patches. | 18:06 |
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| walter | Can some one please help me understand this warning? https://paste.sr.ht/blob/036eef7d31244e504a8aa31c7ea71d4767fdd038 -- it's just installing a binary file for the wifi module and I can't figure out why I get a warning. It works otherwise. | 18:19 |
| walter | And the warning is correct, there's no such directory, the parent exists and it contains the directory+file that I'm installing | 18:22 |
| khem | add S = "${WORKDIR}/sources" | 18:23 |
| khem | UNPACKDIR = "${S}" | 18:23 |
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| paulbarker | walter: We assume ${S} is valid, it's used by various things you might enable later like the archiver bbclass | 18:24 |
| rburton | walter khem: you can just do S=${UNPACKDIR}, no need to set UNPACKDIR | 18:25 |
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| walter | It's starting to make sense. "where unpacked recipe source code resides", is not where `SRC_URI:append` files go... I'm guessing it is only used for the SRC_URI that points to the source code like a git/svn/tgz URI, right? | 18:33 |
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| walter | Ups, I was looking at the walnascar docs..., and I've now checked the git history; S was moved from WORKDIR to UNPACKDIR. This starts to make sense now. | 18:43 |
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| khem | walter: yes S is where modified/patches sources are | 19:59 |
| khem | UNPACKDIR is for largely unpatched sources | 19:59 |
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| walter | Nice, that `S = "${UNPACKDIR}"` also fixed an issue I was having with the LIC_FILES_CHKSUM file not being found. Thanks all! | 21:59 |
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| walter | I so wish every project would have such detailed commit descriptions as yocto/oe. I'm looking for a bluetooth binary blob in the armbian firmware repo, and I'm scared to use files from there, almost no commit has details or the source of the files. | 22:04 |
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| walter | Nice, openSUSE to the rescue! | 22:10 |
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| walter | It enough to ship LICENCE.txt files and include them in LIC_FILES_CHKSUM? Or does one need to install them next to the firmware blobs? I'm preparing a meta-layer for Radxa Rock 4B+ that I want to publish, and I want to make sure I'm doing things right. | 22:27 |
| walter | s/^It/Is it/ | 22:32 |
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| paulbarker | Adding to LIC_FILES_CHKSUM should be enough | 22:40 |
| paulbarker | walter: ^^ | 22:40 |
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| walter | Thanks. | 22:40 |
| paulbarker | And if you want an example BSP layer for reference, the Raspberry Pi BSP is usually a good place to look (https://github.com/agherzan/meta-raspberrypi) | 22:41 |
| paulbarker | That's pretty good at following best practices so it's a good place to learn from | 22:42 |
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| walter | Nice. | 22:43 |
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