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| roussinm | Hello, I was wondering what's the server hardware that are runner the autobuilder or the builders? We are shopping for a new server for yocto build and wondering what's most important...We were thinking about AMD CPU and disks with high IOPS, does that sound correct? I think to remember somewhere bitbake limits tasks and make to 64 threads? | 16:29 |
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| rburton | roussinm: 64 yes, but thats bitbake tasks in parallel and 64 compiles in each of those... | 16:29 |
| rburton | lots of cpu, lots of ram, lots of fast disk | 16:30 |
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| rburton | i've seen a build with a nice threadripper, 256gb ram, and nvme do kirkstone core-image-sato in ~22 minuts | 16:30 |
| roussinm | We currently have a 128 thread cpu with 512GB ram, and that feels like too much ram. | 16:30 |
| rburton | no such thing as too much! | 16:31 |
| roussinm | 128 x AMD EPYC 75F3 32-Core Processor (2 Sockets), we can run 2 yocto build in parallel in this thing. | 16:31 |
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| roussinm | Do you think high frequency helps over the thread count? | 16:32 |
| rburton | personally i'd lean towards a high peak clock rate over a few more threads, as there are plenty of tasks that are single threaded | 16:32 |
| rburton | fwiw, the AB machines are AMD EPYC 9454P 48-Core Processor | 16:33 |
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| rburton | (dual socket) | 16:33 |
| roussinm | ok cool! the core-image-sato build you wrote about is from scratch? | 16:34 |
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| rburton | yes, fetch first | 16:34 |
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| roussinm | SSD over SATA or SAS, does it make that much of a difference? We do have all drives in a ZFS pool. | 16:35 |
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| roussinm | We don't have great monitoring to watch over the performance of drive, memory, etc. Something to work on also. | 16:37 |
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| roussinm | rburton: do you know who is the vendor for that AB machines? HPE? SuperMicro? Dell? | 16:50 |
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| rburton | roussinm: i don't know, its hetzner provided hardware | 16:53 |
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| roussinm | Oh ok, so it's rented, like cloud per month? | 16:56 |
| rburton | bare metal but yes | 16:57 |
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| paulbarker | Hetzner usually use consumer motherboards in custom thin rack cases unless you pay extra for the Dell branded servers | 17:04 |
| roussinm | There are consumer motherboards that supports the EPYC 9454P ? | 17:04 |
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| paulbarker | Oh, not sure what they use for the EPYC servers, perhaps supermicro boards | 17:05 |
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| paulbarker | It's mostly open shelves: https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/493789148_1255774206548200_5275997767732969753_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=ouhcYwqCu8AQ7kNvwGIvJFV&_nc_oc=AdnFAtGZJsV9Xldz9aG7x4uq1HsTsC9zKmoB5oMX-d2VhPL6_ZyxdkeUwkTD8GEq_FGA1S51skBdcmDkXJBJnkiC&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_gid=Ze6m3Y_xKUoUt7BvqNtXgA&oh=00_AfijsvYdBaNp403bthp3zKUCvvypJR_em-vH51VFw2Awxg&oe=69100CBD | 17:05 |
| roussinm | Looks clean, and amazing! | 17:05 |
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| paulbarker | roussinm: On your earlier question, I find NVMe way more performant than SATA/SAS SSDs | 17:07 |
| rburton | yeah absolutely nvme if you can | 17:08 |
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| paulbarker | I run builds on ZFS and performance is great, I don't see much difference compared to my previous XFS setup. A raidz1 pool may be slower though due to CPU load of computing parity | 17:08 |
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| RP | roussinm: I put nvme in my older machine and it does help a lot | 17:09 |
| gmorell | you also have a pile of ram alongside this zpool right? if you can avoid touching the disks and let everything live in memory things fly | 17:09 |
| gmorell | letting it live in zfs arc (in memory) | 17:09 |
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| walter | talking about performance of disks... do you folks run on LUKS encrypted disks? I just realized that my NVMe's are LUKS encrypted with btrfs on top and now I'm wondering... encrypting/decrypting each of the file, probably takes loads of resources. I've been running LUKS for so long, that I forgot about it. | 17:11 |
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| walter | Maybe I should move the sstate, ccache and TMPDIR out of LUKS. | 17:12 |
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| RP | walter: definitely tmpdir | 17:12 |
| RP | walter: all of it outside of that will help | 17:13 |
| walter | on web stuff, the overhead has minimal, a few seconds at most, but that's not the case when doing Yocto builds. | 17:14 |
| rburton | there's definitely enough IO that you want to avoid too much overhead, cryptography and antivirus are killers | 17:15 |
| rburton | i benchmarked MS Defender's hit at about 20% increase in buildtime | 17:15 |
| kergoth` | Wonder what a good economical option is for home server yocto builds that are neither ridiculously slow nor excessive for home use. Modern mini-pc? Custom build? | 17:15 |
| gmorell | 58003d + as much ddr memory as you can ebay | 17:16 |
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| walter | rburton: that 22minutes build, was it just with a downloads cache and nothing else? | 17:19 |
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| rburton | yes | 17:21 |
| rburton | and kirkstone, importantly | 17:22 |
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| roussinm | paulbarker: just saw nvme vs ssd. I will keep that in mind. | 17:23 |
| smurray | RP: nothing urgent, but I see a lot of "WARNING: Runqueue deadlocked on deferred tasks, forcing task" in my AGL multiconfig builds with latest master, and I'm wondering if that's just to the build being big enough (16k tasks) to hit some queue size limits? | 17:24 |
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| paulbarker | gmorell: Plenty of RAM! And using zram for swap has worked really well on this system as well | 17:29 |
| gmorell | I have 512g for my 8t nvme zpool ;) | 17:30 |
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| gmorell | feel like I'm cpu bound now | 17:30 |
| RP | smurray: there aren't any size queue limits :/ | 17:30 |
| walter | unless you encrypt the swap as well, just like I did. :) Looks like I'll have to change things around here. | 17:31 |
| RP | smurray: we haven't seen those for a long time so it is a little odd | 17:31 |
| walter | ok, I'm preparing to run some benchmarks on core-image-weston -- master branches. I've closed everything except the terminal and IRC client. | 17:32 |
| smurray | RP: okay. There's significant overlap wrt required tasks for the 2 non-default multiconfigs, perhaps that's different than some of the usual testing? | 17:33 |
| RP | smurray: overlap would trigger tasks to be deferred. The code should prefer one multiconfig over the others and it sounds like that breaks somehow | 17:34 |
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| RP | smurray: if you can write down the revisions/config needed to reproduce that would be useful. I can't really look now but it would be good to have something to come back to | 17:34 |
| smurray | RP: okay. It's a bit non-trivial wrt layer stack for this particular build, but I'll capture the current set of layers so it can be whittled down for simpler testing | 17:36 |
| RP | smurray: in theory "bitbake -n" should reproduce that error so it should at least be faster | 17:38 |
| RP | i.e. a dry run build that doesn't build anything | 17:38 |
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| smurray | RP: gotcha. In a pinch, it could be reproduced by using "repo" to grab AGL next branch, then using our setup script to get configured, but I need to finish cleaning up and pushing some changes first. | 17:42 |
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| smurray | RP: since the build does finish and I'm not blocked, I'm perfectly fine waiting for you to have some cycles to poke at it. | 17:44 |
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| RP | smurray: the deadlock resolution mode is effectively single task stepping so it will be painfully slow :/ | 17:46 |
| RP | smurray: that doesn't help my time, just making it clear that will be a bit painfully slow | 17:46 |
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| smurray | RP: understood. Completely no rush | 17:54 |
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| walter | How do I get around this? WARNING: libtool-native-2.5.4-r0 do_recipe_qa: Error contacting Hash Equivalence Server unix:///yocto/speedtest/build/hashserve.sock: Connection closed -- there's no socket there. I've clone oe-core, meta-pokey and added the layer, trying to build core-image-minimal with poky-tiny for some quick tests. | 18:18 |
| walter | s/pokey/poky/ | 18:18 |
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| walter | actually, there is one, this time. hm... (I've had several tries at this) | 18:19 |
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| RP | walter: that will only be there when the build is running since it starts/stops the local server | 18:21 |
| RP | walter: it is very unusual it would disappear :/ | 18:21 |
| walter | I probably checked after I've stopped it. | 18:21 |
| walter | sorry. | 18:21 |
| RP | walter: you could check the logs for tracebacks (in that dir I think there is a hashserv one) | 18:22 |
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| walter | I saw zfs mentioned earlier, so I reformatted an NVMe to use zfs-fuse, and it's probably something related to that. | 18:24 |
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| khem | walter: zfs is good for an enterprise disk :) stay with ext4 for best results on client side, I have played with filesystems on build disks and have realized that ext is reliable of all | 18:28 |
| paulbarker | Also, building on a FUSE mounted filesystem is probably very untested. Definitely test on a more conservative setup and see if the issue is still there | 18:29 |
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| walter | thanks. | 18:33 |
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| walter | looks like the switch to btrfs fixed the issue. so zfs-fuse was the problem. Also, facepalm: I've had `compress=zstd:1` on the old FS that was encrypted. So I was wasting CPU cycles like crazy. :) | 19:42 |
| walter | At least I had/have mitigations=off on the kernel command line, that probably helped a bit. | 19:44 |
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| walter | What do folks think about using mitigations=off? I don't have concrete numbers, but I remember this change made the whole OS quite snappier when I tried it, so I kept mitigations off ever since. | 19:55 |
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| khem | kanavin: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/46/builds/132 | 19:58 |
| khem | do we need to update the AB jobs ? | 19:59 |
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| khem | nm I was just needing to rebase bitbake branch under test on top of latest master | 20:03 |
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| khem | still spoilt with poky combined repo :) old habits die slowly | 20:04 |
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