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abluI am staring at some sstate misses. I see a difference in signatures in "-Slockedsigs" when building on different machines. When walking through the signatures diffs I eventually hit "binutils-cross-aarch64:do_recipe_qa" which has mismatching signature hashes, but the .siginfo files are identical. The "_recipe_qa.tar.zst" files also are identical (they are empty too). I assume a hash-equivalence server would fix the reuse, though I am still trying to understand...07:21
ablu... why this hash is different. Is there anything else that goes into the hash that is not in the .siginfo file?07:22
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RPablu: that could be hash equivalence ?08:10
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abluRP Yes, I am in the process of setting that up. Though I wondered why the .siginfo files are identical AND the output files are. My mental model was that hash equivalence would help where .siginfo files are differing but the output then is identical? So I would have expected this to hit the cache even without hash equivalence? But there certainly is a good chance that I am missing some details here!08:12
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RPablu: the files need to be identical so that files in an sstate share are consistent,  hashequiv applies a mapping later, effectively within bitbake08:25
RPit isn't ideal but it is what it is, I wish we could find a better way to make it easier to debug08:26
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abluRP: Hm. But the .siginfo files are identical in my case. Which other files would have to be identical?08:28
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RPablu: the siginfo files are included as part of SSTATE_DIR alongside the sstate files themselves so they have to be hashequivalence invariant08:31
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RPhttps://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/48/builds/3321 - tar --xattrs --xattrs-include='*' -cf - -S -C /srv/pokybuild/yocto-worker/oe-selftest-fedora/build/build-st-579416/tmp/work/qemux86_64-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0/rootfs -p . | tar --xattrs --xattrs-include='*' -xf - -C /srv/pokybuild/yocto-worker/oe-selftest-fedora/build/build-st-579416/tmp/work/qemux86_64-poky-linux/core-image-minimal/1.0/tmp-wic/rootfs2' re08:35
RPturned non-zero exit status 2.08:35
RPwhat broke now? :(08:35
abluRP Hm. I am afraid I still do not fully understand it. Here the .siginfo and sstate files are both identical. Only the hash reported in the filename (and -Slickedsigs file) are different.08:36
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notoriouspigHey, I need to build a recipe with a static library because, I will perform an OTA with this package. I want to perform an image decimation. So I thought libjpeg-turbo was a good choice but I find a reference in `no-static-libs.inc'.08:58
notoriouspigWhy is libjpeg-turbo not buildable as static library ? Do you have a lightweight alternative for me please ?08:59
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RPnotoriouspig: you could just enable static libs if you really want to, you don't have to include that file09:45
RPablu: I'm struggling to pull all the right context into my mind right now, I was only trying to be helpful and point out the cause, not explain it all :/09:47
abluRP: No worries! I will keep digging!09:49
ablu> -Slickedsigs heh... phone autocorrect at its best...09:50
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notoriouspigRP: thx for your answer. Do you know why this file is present then ? I presumed it was a protection for side effects (sorry if I sent it double, deco ...)10:06
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RPnotoriouspig: we turned off most static lib generation as we simply don't need/use them and they waste a lot of build time/space10:13
RPnotoriouspig: that file is used to turn off all the static lib generation we reasonably can10:13
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notoriouspigOkay, thank you ! It will help me a lot.10:17
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notoriouspigIs this file include by default or should I de-include it manually ?10:18
RPnotoriouspig: depends which release you're on and which distro you're using10:19
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paulbarkerRP: Can I pick your brain on a yocto-check-layer failure for oe-core?10:23
paulbarkerAfter https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?h=master-next&id=11373def3171e75b3b74ef694da213dd21f3064c, locked-sigs.inc has a SIGGEN_UNIHASHMAP setting10:23
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paulbarkerWhen yocto-check-layer reads locked-sigs.inc to compare signatures across machines, it picks up entries from both SIGGEN_LOCKEDSIGS_* and SIGGEN_UNIHASHMAP10:25
paulbarkerDo we actually want to compare the SIGGEN_UNIHASHMAP entries?10:25
paulbarkerIf I fix the regex in yocto-check-layer to parse them correctly, I see a whole load of mismatches when running on the autobuilder: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/api/v2/logs/5840156/raw_inline10:26
paulbarkerThe test that's failing is test_machine_signatures, which checks that machine-independent tasks do not change signature when MACHINE changes10:27
RPpaulbarker: I'm struggling to context switch into this but I can try10:28
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RPpaulbarker: acpica:do_populate_lic: 398bef6d81079e5329f65a7f7220dddc747e156e43d19702fd8850b9a9e0e43b:8da65fb444b66797b1768f3a772bef396836093c61f329478d79eb6ceab28b31 (qemuarm64) != 4236a150727a9b2d829cbf40468fdbfe35f62604bfd12ce483d949a02d673074:06c7a528ad25566691c7457aae1f641ff4d8231e089c9ef7bf7220ff7c14910b (qemux86)10:28
RPI'd have thought the hashes for do_populate_lic should be the same between two different machines10:29
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RPpaulbarker: $ bitbake-diffsigs tmp/stamps/x86-64-v3-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sig* tmp/stamps/cortexa57-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sig* (after bitbake acl -c populate_lic for qemuarm64 and qemux86-64) shows10:32
RPVariable LICENSE_DEPLOY_PATHCOMPONENT value changed:10:32
RP" [-x86-64-v3-] {+cortexa57+}"10:32
RPso I suspect we broke it10:32
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paulbarkerRP: Interesting. What's weird is that I don't see the issue on my build machine.10:33
paulbarkerI will look into it, if we can fix that then we can get yocto-check-layer running on the autobuilder for oe-core as everything else looks good10:33
RP$ ls -la tmp/stamps/x86-64-v3-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sig* tmp/stamps/cortexa57-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sig*10:33
RP-rw-rw-r-- 1 richard richard 11407 Mar 17 10:30 tmp/stamps/cortexa57-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sigdata.368d7149467429afb06c1f86f5741aa1bbeec04083c2dd40039cc8ea90e7c55410:33
RP-rw-rw-r-- 1 richard richard 11407 Mar 17 10:29 tmp/stamps/x86-64-v3-poky-linux/acl/2.3.2.do_populate_lic.sigdata.9c6518adb0c8d55d9e64f1e72c0da528ffa0a52d59a92eb2a48f96f100a10:33
RPthose hashes should match10:34
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RPpaulbarker: looking at the code, we did make the license packages different by arch :/10:36
RPhttps://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/classes-global/license.bbclass?id=f68aed302a0e4b86fb8c16a6ef4e7295bed48b8610:37
notoriouspigRP: I work for me with a static library. Thx a lot =D10:39
RPpaulbarker: there is a fix I'm wondering about, basically in license.bbclass:10:41
RP-LICENSE_DEPLOY_PATHCOMPONENT = "${SSTATE_PKGARCH}"10:41
RP+LICENSE_DEPLOY_PATHCOMPONENT = "target"10:41
RPpaulbarker: why are we generating per arch license values in tmp/deploy/licenses ?10:42
RPI do have to wonder if we should have that task at all to be honest mind10:43
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paulbarkerRP: I'm not sure :/ I'm also not sure why yocto-check-layer is complaining if the task signature depends on SSTATE_PKGARCH, it should already handle that differing with MACHINE10:43
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RPpaulbarker: I think that task is meant to be arch independent10:44
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RPpaulbarker: that patch breaks, "Recipe acl is trying to install files into a shared area when those files already exist."10:47
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paulbarkerRP: I think I see where it is effectively marked as arch-independent: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes-global/sstate.bbclass#n18910:49
paulbarker`d.setVar("SSTATE_PKGSPEC", "${SSTATE_SWSPEC}")`10:49
paulbarkerAlso the same handling in sstate_eventhandler10:50
paulbarkerso SSTATE_PKGSPEC does not include PACKAGE_ARCH, but the task dependencies do10:50
RPpaulbarker: right, and as the code stands, that task is not arch invariant10:50
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RPwe don't have any way of making a stamp for a task "global" scope. We can add machine to it and make it run for every machine but not only make it run once per recipe10:56
RPIt does show this data in tmp/deploy/licenses is a bit silly though :/10:57
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paulbarkerRP: I don't think we can avoid the arch dependency. A quick search shows at least one recipe with LICENSE dependent on a PACKAGECONFIG that may be set depending on MACHINE: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-core/ovmf/ovmf_git.bb#n610:59
paulbarkerIt looks difficult to unpick that, and to require that LICENSE is always arch independent for BSPs that want to pass yocto-check-layer11:00
paulbarkerSo I wonder if we just stop treating do_populate_lic as special and let it be arch dependent11:01
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RPpaulbarker: it really shouldn't be doing that, esp in core :(11:02
RPpaulbarker: native vs target, find but not conditional on PACKAGECONFIG :(11:02
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RPI've always hated tmp/deploy/licenses as it is pretty useless data without the context of what you're using it in11:05
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RPpaulbarker: that recipe is broken anyway as it looks at MACHINE_FEATURES and doesn't set PACKAGE_ARCH = "${MACHINE_ARCH"11:07
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paulbarkerRP: I can send a patch11:13
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RPpaulbarker: the license isn't so bad as it just depends on PACKAGECONFIG and you'd have to go and make that machine specific.11:14
RPpaulbarker: I'm wondering if those bits of tpm magic linkage should just be removed though11:14
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paulbarkerlibsdl2 has a LICENSE:append -> PACKAGECONFIG -> TUNE_FEATURES dependency as well11:17
paulbarkerWe can spend time unpicking it and try to get do_populate_lic fully arch independent, but I wonder if that's a job for after the LTS release11:18
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RPpaulbarker: I'm not sure :/11:34
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RPpaulbarker: the only other real alternative is remove all the populate_lic special casing and make it fully arch specific :(11:37
RPpaulbarker: that does feel a bit sad11:38
RPpaulbarker: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/classes-global/sstate.bbclass?id=1a4ab9fc26659507e678e87312b514e8ea51567311:39
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RP"For anyone finding this commit" - I should have left a note for myself too :/11:40
RPpaulbarker: that one is where I introduced SSTATE_PKGARCH to avoid other bugs11:40
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paulbarkerRP: I would suggest we let it be arch-specific, there's too much to unpick otherwise. Then after LTS, clean it up or look at whether we can deprecate the whole thing in favour of SBOMs11:43
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RPpaulbarker: there is a really simple neat fix for this11:52
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RPpaulbarker: patch sent, try that...11:56
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RPpaulbarker: that one has matching taskhashes for the two machines and doesn't change the layout of license_dir11:59
RPpaulbarker: it leaves some architecture independence issues but I think we need to fix those anyway11:59
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paulbarkerRP: That seems like it could work... I'll give it a try12:03
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RPpaulbarker: we could probably get rid of LICENSE_DEPLOY_PATHCOMPONENT entirely12:08
RPpaulbarker: sorry, my patch is wrong :(12:09
RPpaulbarker: I've sent the wrong thing compared to what I tested12:09
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RPpaulbarker: sorry, new better version sent12:13
RPit deletes code so it has to be better right? :)12:13
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RPand now my commit message is wrong, populate_lic is present for natives. I'll fix that12:18
paulbarkerRP: First version at least fixes the major issue, now we have a manageable list of mismatches to work through: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/27/builds/3394/steps/12/logs/stdio12:20
RPpaulbarker: definitely looks better and is a different task, interesting12:21
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RPpaulbarker: I couldn't reproduce the curl one locally12:23
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tgamblinkanavin: Last week I had plugged our qemux86 problem into Claude to see what it thought of the qemux86 kvm gettime issue we're seeing. GIven your post from this morning, I thought it might be worth revisiting what it said: https://pastebin.com/5pJd0Xqm12:37
tgamblinRP: ^12:37
tgamblinit correctly focused on the retpoline mitigation part of the log12:38
tgamblinI've already tried pinning the QEMU process to a subset of CPU cores, but that hasn't helped so far12:39
RPtgamblin:  -cpu host,-tsc-deadline,-kvmclock,-kvm_pv_unhalt looks interesting12:40
tgamblinRP: yeah. I don't trust any one thing it proposes, but it does provide a list of things to check12:41
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RPtgamblin: it would be worth a try, see if it changes anything12:44
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tgamblinkanavin: do you want to give that a go or should I? I see that you're running some tests at the moment12:49
paulbarkerRP: To reproduce the check-layer failures you need the `--machines` argument, see https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-autobuilder-helper/commit/?h=contrib/pbarker/checklayer&id=0757ca64f70cc800f2a2b905dd59deeaa5726a4a12:50
paulbarkerResetting MACHINE is a bit hacky but I can't see another way to do it12:50
RPpaulbarker: I was just running two builds and comparing the hashes of the tasks12:50
paulbarkerRP: Ah ok, I'll re-run the tests with the new version of your patch12:51
RPtgamblin: send email as he might not be looking at irc12:51
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RPpaulbarker: try with "MACHINE" : "unset",12:53
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kanavintgamblin, there's nothing in that pastebin about retpoline or spectre, it just gives various clock related things to try13:18
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kanavintgamblin, you can try those things if you'd like to, I do have hard evidence that disabling retpoline code paths helps, but that doesn't quite explain why it only happens in clock-related code13:25
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tgamblinkanavin: its response about the retpoline issue in particular is further up (conversation too long to paste). I will try those13:26
kanavintgamblin, oh, and: -cpu host will implicitly disable retpoline, rendering all other tweaks irrelevant. you need to keep it enabled.13:26
kanavine.g. pass spectre_v2=retpoline to the kernel13:27
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tgamblinkanavin: alright13:29
tgamblinI will be a bit getting set up to match what you are doing, but I should start testing in a couple of hours (rebuilding core-image-sato-sdk now)13:31
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kanavintgamblin, also, I don't mean to bash AI, but it gives no references to its claims, a major weakness of its advice imo13:35
kanavinthat makes checking that it's not hallucinating a lot harder :-/13:36
tgamblinkanavin: that is why I'm not taking what it says as accurate yet :)13:36
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tgamblinfor example, I don't actually see tsc-deadline anywhere in the QEMU docs (kvmclock and kvm_pv_unhalt are there)13:42
tgamblinIIRC there's a different way to tweak the TSC setting13:43
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kanavintgamblin, 'qemu-system-i386 -cpu help' does show tsc-deadline in possible cpu features list13:45
tgamblinkanavin: yes, I see that now too, just not in the online docs when I search it13:45
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tgamblin25 minutes with -cpu host,kvmclock=off (and spectre_v2=retpoline in the kernel command line args), no failure yet14:51
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RPpaulg: we have a relatively reproducible issue with qemux86 clocks breaking under kvm when spectre_v2=retpoline is enabled on a particular CPU. kanavin is look for advice on how to proceed, any pointers? kanavin can probably point at more details16:01
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tgamblinso far, doing kvmclock=off is the only setting suggested earlier that "fixes" the error (still trying a few more configurations...)16:02
paulgfriends don't let friends use qemu.  :-P16:02
jmdpaulg: What would you recommend instead?16:03
ukleinekRP: Why would `DISTRO_FEATURES_FILTER_NATIVE:append = " selinux"` in conf/layer.conf make the layer not "Yocto Project Compatible"?16:03
paulgjmd, a room full of electron sucking computers, of course!16:03
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paulgon a more serious note, do we have an "it used to work at point XYZ" data point that might let us brute force out the regression commit?16:04
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paulg(or at least an "it 1st showed up roughly about date ABC")16:05
tgamblinpaulg: first bug report in Bugzilla was November 20th: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1607416:06
paulgAnd of course the thing I always ask, is "can it be reproduced outside of the AB?"16:07
paulg...because that has always been the killer for me.16:07
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paulgOn one horrible bug, RP was kind enough to hack and smash enough out of the AB core that let me "simulate" running it on about a dozen machines here.16:08
tgamblinpaulg: that's tricky, because IIRC the only machine we've seen it on is one of the AB workers with a specific CPU (Intel Ultra 7 265; fedora43-vk-1)16:09
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paulgOne of those cool group efforts...16:09
tgamblinbut we can manually reproduce it on that system, to be clear16:09
paulgtgamblin, that just screams qemu bug.16:09
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tgamblinpaulg: it might be! I just added another comment there about QEMU CPU flags that seem to help (or not), and kanavin has a reproducer in there16:14
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* ukleinek found yocto-check-layer, but fails to run it on meta-selinux.16:16
tgamblinukleinek: try yocto-check-layer-wrapper?16:17
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paulgtgamblin, by any chance have you tested with "mitigations=off" on the boot line?  Just a random thought, seeing it isn't happy with x86_indirect_thunk16:17
tgamblinpaulg: that was an earlier suggestion, I tried it when running do_testimage against core-image-sato but not with the more recent reproducer16:18
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tgamblinit seemed like such runs took unreasonably long to run when I did that, but I'm not sure if the correlation means anything16:19
ukleinektgamblin: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/71adbc64 <- like so? I do have a conf/local.conf and also a conf/bblayers.conf file, and the latter contains meta-python. :confused:16:19
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tgamblinukleinek: obvious question, but does bblayers.conf also include meta-oe?16:20
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ukleinektgamblin: yes (= bblayers.conf does contain meta-oe, don't know about obvious and silly)16:20
paulgtgamblin, odd that it was *slower* -- I run that boot-arg on all my old junk, precisely because I don't want it to be slower...16:21
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tgamblinpaulg: it might not have been - I wouldn't take that particular assessment as meaningful until someone else tries it16:22
tgamblinukleinek: that's odd - I see some suggestion of meta-networking as a dependency in the layer.conf for meta-selinux, but even with that added too yocto-check-layer-wrapper still complains...16:25
paulgheh - still reading down the case ; now see where akanavin already suggested mitigations=off.  :-P16:26
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ukleinektgamblin: thanks for trying to reproduce16:27
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paulgLooks like akanavin has zero'd in on things with the latest comment in the case.16:30
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RPpaulg: we don't have a "it used to work on X", we do have a "it only breaks on this specific CPU"16:39
RPpaulg: we had assumed that machine was just cursed for a while ;-)16:40
RP(it was also the only one running fedora43 so that was a false lead for a while)16:40
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aduskettWhat's the proper way to depend on the toolchain being deployed in ${SYSROOT_NATIVE} in a .bbclass?16:46
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paulgtgamblin, RP -- added a comment to the case.  The reality is that it would take me a while to catch up to where akanavin is currently.16:48
RPpaulg: thanks, I think those kinds of pointers are what we need16:49
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aduskettgcc-cross-${TARGET_ARCH} seems to work16:51
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* tgamblin starts another loop with -cpu host,kvmclock=off to confirm kvmclock=off prevents the crash16:55
RPaduskett: virtual/cross-cc ?16:58
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paulgIIRC, poor tglx was the one who fronted implementing most of the meltdown/retpoline stuff back in ... 2017-ish?17:03
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paulgAnyway, these guys get pulled in a million directions (guessing RP knows what that is like) -- hence why I said be concise in any reporting.17:04
paulbarkerRP: The remaining check-layer issues in oe-core are mostly with PACKAGECONFIG depending on something arch specific. Some of those dependencies should be dropped anyway so I'll send patches (assuming things build correctly)17:04
aduskettRP: even better!17:04
aduskettThank you!17:04
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kanavinpaulg, thanks for the suggestions, I'm not yet completely out of tests to run to rule out some possibilities, before I report to kernel devs.17:12
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paulgkanavin, no problem.  I wasn't ignoring you - was wondering why ak<TAB> wouldn't auto-complete your nick!17:13
paulgdoh!17:15
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rburtonRP: autoreconf --exclude merged to master18:00
tgamblinkanavin: if it helps with your report, I have now run your reproducer for ~55 minutes (across two different QEMU runs) with '-cpu host,kvmclock=off' and 'spectre_v2=retpoline' in the kernel command line arguments, and I have not seen it fail. So adding kvmclock=off seems to be a valid workaround18:00
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rburtonRP: how late is too late for an autoconf upgrade :)18:12
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rburtonupstream expect to roll a release on friday. i'll fire an AB build with the RC+patches to master overnight to verify it works.18:12
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kanavintgamblin, thanks, I'll comment in the bug20:06
tgamblinkanavin: I've added one in the Bugzilla recently20:06
kanavintgamblin, I did a shorter test with -cpu IvyBridge,kvmclock=off (e.g. not changing the cpu type), and that too seems to work20:07
tgamblinkanavin: I saw that. Nice to know there's a workaround, at least20:07
kanavinso I'd say that's a better workaround that disabling mitigations. We're not changing to -cpu host, as that causes reproducibility issues20:07
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kanavinso AI did suggest a useful thing to try, although with a lot of noise20:09
tgamblinkanavin: I never got around to testing the tsc-deadline part, not sure if it's worth digging there20:09
kanavintgamblin, next I'm going to run a 64 bit test to confirm (or refute) that it's 32 bit only20:10
kanavinI fired off a sato-sdk build, then went to dinner a couple hours ago :)20:10
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tgamblinkanavin: thanks for looking into it20:16
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RPrburton: I'd go for it20:24
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RPkanavin, tgamblin: all good data to have, thanks!20:25
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RPThere is never an easy way to do this, I just pushed the layer release series update whinlatter -> wrynose. Layers will need updating to match21:20
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SaurRP: `DISTRO_CODENAME` still says "whinlatter" in `poky.conf`. It was not updated together with `DISTRO_VERSION` back in January.22:41
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RPSaur: changed, thanks22:45
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RPkanavin: I'm curious how you find https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/commit/?h=master-next&id=7a666c4a126d51ed532822b22d4818a9259451ee - I've short circuited a bit of bitbake-setup I shouldn't but it did seem to work with updating my local build22:47
RPAdrianF: what issues did you run into this, I basically used your changes to git.py to finish it off22:47
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RPheh, let me remove the debug from that22:48
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RPkanavin: basically it needs to error/exit early if there are unchecked in changes and we need a better error if the rebase fails ?22:50
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RPhttps://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/commit/?h=master-next&id=3e577eacc42bf9fe3e3efb847d8f6ed5f07e454222:52
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