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| AdrianF | RP: Looks like my code has a "for u in urls" level which is wrong. I will try to take your patch and add my test patches on top of it. Lets see if that fits together and allows to run the complete setup --> modify --> update workflow also manually. | 08:02 |
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| RP | AdrianF: I cheated a bit with that and just tweaked one of the existing functions, you do need that bit | 09:05 |
| RP | AdrianF: the patch isn't quite right yet but it is more cosmetic pieces around it we need to resolve, I hope! | 09:05 |
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| kanavin | RP: thanks, I'll take a look asap today! | 12:08 |
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| Jerry87 | hey folks, I was just looking at the Open Source Summit EU event, it does appear there is no co-located event for YP is that correct? | 13:43 |
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| JPEW | Jerry87: I think there is or will be one, but maybe it's not announced yet | 13:57 |
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| Jerry87 | JPWE alright thanks, I'll keep an eye out | 13:59 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Is it me being weird doing things, is the diagnostic wrong, or is it a real issue? I'm building a recipe which fetches stuff over HTTP, but said stuff is not an archive. So do_unpack falls back to "cp -fpPRH", which in turn chokes on storage being mounted to lxc over NFS from LXCm backed by ext4 mounted into latter lxc and lacking ACL... | 14:15 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: which release? | 14:17 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: scarthgap | 14:17 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: you need https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake/commit/lib/bb/fetch2?id=2f35dac0c821ab231459922ed98e1b2cc599ca9a | 14:18 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: I think there is a backport in progress on that one | 14:18 |
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| yocton | LetoThe2nd: yup, I have it in my radar, I'm currently reviewing oe-core, bitbake next | 14:19 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ah okay, so its real, its known, and being handled? awesome! | 14:22 |
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| yocton | LetoThe2nd: If you feel adventurous, there is my WIP review branch : https://git.openembedded.org/bitbake-contrib/log/?h=stable/2.8-nut (with the fix you need apparently) | 14:47 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yocton: it’s not the being adventurous part, it’s about being WIP things into the CI pipeline.😁 | 14:51 |
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| ecdhe | Months ago I chatted with some stalwarts here (RP, Leto) about using bitbake to build debian packages. I had a bunch of git repos that I wanted to package, and I noticed I'd been recreating bitbake from scratch, badly, as I tried to automate the process of fetching, checking integrity, unpacking, patching, building, and packaging. However, when I tried to use freestanding bitbake, I found it was missing | 16:02 |
| ecdhe | some of the recipe goodness I needed to keep things clean. And when I tried to pull in OE core, I couldn't easily build just my packages without kicking off an entire distro build. | 16:02 |
| ecdhe | Someone here suggested I just use nix, and I evaluated it, but I really just needed a few debian packages. | 16:03 |
| rburton | ecdhe: did anyone point you at meta-debian or isar? | 16:03 |
| ecdhe | I looked at meta-debian but not isar. | 16:04 |
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| ecdhe | I put the project aside until last week, when I let an LLM take a crack at just making some recipes for bitbake. I was really pleased at what it came up with. I'm able to use a minimal native system toolset and very "yocto" recipe structure to fetch/unpack/patch/build/package. The recipes are beautiful. | 16:05 |
| ecdhe | Bitbake provides the extra flexibility that I was struggling to pull out of my own GNU Make + python combos. | 16:06 |
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| rburton | yay bitbake | 16:11 |
| ecdhe | I really need to make a blog just to envangelize these tools a little more. | 16:12 |
| RP | ecdhe: I'm glad it worked, bitbake is quite separate from OE-core and it is definitely possible to have your own classes and build mechanism | 16:14 |
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| landgraf | is it possible to exclude directories from/before do_image_ext4? like --exclude-path in wic | 16:16 |
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| ecdhe | Another idea we once discussed here was building poky from OpenBSD. There was a particular linux-flavored build tool that represented most of the trouble in getting a full OE build. Cross platform reproducible builds would be pretty neat, something that LLM assistance might make possible for a weekend warrior. | 16:21 |
| rburton | ecdhe: building yocto on bsd is not a trivial undertaking: you need to reimplement pseudo to start, and deal with all the recipes that assume they're being built with gnu userspace. | 16:22 |
| fray | at one point there was preliminary support in pseudo for BSD.. but I don't believe it was ever finished and it's certainly fallen behind | 16:22 |
| ecdhe | rburton: pseudo was the linux-flavored build tool I was thinking of | 16:23 |
| rburton | i started poking at this some years ago (but darwin, not openbsd) but then macOS stopped LD_PRELOAD from working so it became a lot more effort | 16:23 |
| fray | pseudo works on MacOS (or did), it will work on any OS that supports an LD PRELOAD or similar | 16:23 |
| rburton | if you ignore target builds so pseudo isn't a dependency you still have a _lot_ of problems | 16:23 |
| ecdhe | rburton: is your sense that the trouble is mostly that OpenBSD's coreutils don't support all the correct flags (so we could do some native builds to replace them as part of bootstrapping?) or are there more tools like psuedo that require kernel interfaces that OpenBSD doesn't provide? | 16:24 |
| rburton | mostly userspace | 16:24 |
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| rburton | i did test builds with the gnu tools installed with brew and symlink farms so ls was gnu ls, still found some amusing/annoying edge cases | 16:24 |
| rburton | getting a working cross compiler is an important milestone and unrelated to pseudo, so a good first step | 16:25 |
| rburton | also its easier now that bitbake doesn't use inotify, as that was another thing to stub out/reimplement | 16:26 |
| ecdhe | That's a pretty big one | 16:27 |
| ecdhe | In general, I would assume that any changes that make OE build on OpenBSD would slow the performance if they were merged. | 16:28 |
| rburton | not sure that's true | 16:28 |
| ecdhe | That is, if we modified OE to first build gnu coreutils from source, this would make some things work on OpenBSD but just add needless tasks for users already on linux | 16:29 |
| fray | we had OE building (partially) on MacOS and that is what we did. You can organize those types of dependencies on an OS specific basis, so it doesn't seem "bad" | 16:30 |
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| rburton | or a buildtools-like host dependency that is "the gnu userspace" | 16:30 |
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| kanavin | ecdhe, using openbsd as a host environment would be awesome. Or building BSD kernel and userspace with a layer. | 16:38 |
| kanavin | that would really drive home the point that yocto is vendor neutral and nothing is irreplaceable | 16:38 |
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| RP | Saur: I'm afraid we may need to revert https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=d3325c384a7df54c564cae093659cf7b692629f2 since PACKAGECONFIG can be tune specific and the recipe_qa task is meant to be arch independent | 18:17 |
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| walter | Hello, I just noticed that if I add opencl to DISTRO_FEATURES, I'm seeing this error in mesa: https://paste.sr.ht/blob/17ca7ec2c882fce509f8d9bf2f4dd3f68360e5e0 -- any ideas how to interpret this? I see `feature-arm-crc.inc` and `feature-arm-crypto.inc` changing the TUNE_CCARGS_MARCH_OPTS variable. Is this a rust compiler limitation? | 18:25 |
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| dankm | kanavin: building FreeBSD's kernel wouldn't be too bad. Its userspace is a pretty monolithic build; it builds everything all at once. OpenBSD's is similar. | 18:29 |
| dankm | Ought to be possible, but it'd certainly be a task. | 18:29 |
| dankm | Unrelated, I do have an opkg question.. does it pass command line parameters to its packaging scripts, like postinst, preinst, postrm, etc? Both dpkg and rpm do, and I'd like to take advantage. | 18:32 |
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| Saur | RP: I understand the problem. At the same time, the reason for that commit is still valid. The test needs to run for all recipes, so moving it back to `do_configure` is not really an option IMHO. Looking at the task graph for a packagegroup, there are not many tasks that can trigger the test. In fact, the only existing one that makes some kind of sense is `package_qa`. The alternative would of course be to introduce some new task for | 19:11 |
| Saur | it... | 19:11 |
| Saur | Another alternative is to revert it, and then change `packagegroup.bbclass` to not do `deltask do_configure`, but instead do `do_configure[noexec] = "1"`. That would solve the actual problem I had, but would still leave any other recipes that remove the `configure` task open to the bug. | 19:15 |
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| Saur | Hmm, are `postfunc` tasks triggered for `noexec` tasks? Otherwise that will not work when I think of it... | 19:16 |
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| Saur | Interestingly enough, `qa_configure` was initially a separate task, but fray changed it to a `postfunc` in commit dd81d5882bdc1cabfd5c91a3e71df047dd2cfa7a. Unfortunately without a comment as to why. :( | 19:27 |
| Saur | fray: You don't happen to remember why you did that, 16 years ago? ;) | 19:27 |
| fray | Did you look at bugzilla 376? | 19:30 |
| fray | Doesn't say. But if I had to guess, the answer is that the task _always_ has to run if do_populate_sysroot runs. Doing to the previous way meant the stanging wouldn't always run and/or you had to update the task order any time you added or removed a task | 19:31 |
| fray | sorry I mean always run with do_configure runs. QA is no longer 'optional' as a separate task anyway.. | 19:35 |
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| Saur | Yea, I'm not really advocating for turning `qa_configure` back into a task. On the other hand, running the `packageconfig` test as part of the `package_qa` task also doesn't make much sense. It's too late... | 19:56 |
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| Saur | The problem is that the test needs to run for all recipes, just like the `recipe_qa` task, only it can't be before `do_fetch`... | 20:00 |
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| Saur | RP: Ok, I have a solution now that I think is reasonable. It seems that `deltask configure` is actually extremely rare, so I propose to revert my commit, and then modify `packagegroup.bbclass` so that it reinstates the `configure` task, but makes it do nothing. It is not optimal, but it is better than reinstating the `configure_qa` task, which would add one more task for every recipe and not just the `packagegroup` recipes. I'll send | 21:17 |
| Saur | patches to do this. | 21:17 |
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| RP | Saur: perhaps an option might be to make the qa function a function and just call it separately for packagegroups ? | 23:32 |
| RP | JPEW: my test build shows lots of weird errors like https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/16/builds/3430 ERROR: buildtools-tarball-1.0-r0 do_create_spdx: Could not find a static SPDX document named static-buildtools-tarball | 23:34 |
| JPEW | K I'll look tomorrow | 23:36 |
| Saur | RP: Well, I guess that would be possible. At the same time, it would still need to be called from somewhere. I guess it could be called from `do_package`. However, I think it is better this way since the only thing `packagegroup.bbclass` needs to know is that the `configure` task must exist. It does not need to know why. | 23:38 |
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| Guest51-28 | Hello, I'm getting started on using yocto, and following the 'Yocto Project Quick Build' page. When trying to clone the layer for whinlatter version of raspberry pi, it fails, as this branch doesn't exist. So am I to assume whinlatter is still to 'bleeding edgy' and I should use walnascar instead? | 23:50 |
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| colin-pm | It looks like meta-raspberrypi's master branch supports whinlatter but it might still be 'bleeding edgy' | 23:54 |
| colin-pm | meta-raspberrypi has not cut a whinlatter branch yet | 23:54 |
| Guest51-28 | Thank you | 23:55 |
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