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| yannd | Is there some idiom already, when dynamically adding a task by calling addtask() just for the sake of the dependencies we add to it, to get rid of the "function doesn't exist" warning? | 08:35 |
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| Guest90 | I have a working Yocto setup on a Renesas Salvator-XS M3 using meta-renesas. | 08:41 |
| Guest90 | I'm trying to understand what Automotive Grade Linux(AGL) adds on top of a standard Yocto based system? | 08:41 |
| Guest90 | Specifically, what components or layers does AGL provide beyond a typical BSP + custom image? For example, does it mainly add IVI applications, middleware (like vehicle HAL), and a standardized app framework? | 08:41 |
| Guest90 | In short, what would I be missing if I just use plain Yocto instead of AGL? | 08:41 |
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| RP | yannd: convention is either mark as noexec or put ":" in the body | 08:48 |
| RP | Guest90: have a look in the layers and see if there are any recipes in there you want... | 08:49 |
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| agodard | Guest90: also they seem to have extensive docs https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/trout/#06_Component_Documentation/01_AGL_components/ | 08:55 |
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| yannd | RP: for dynamically-create tasks it's not easy to add a body, noexec looks like a good idea, thx! | 09:10 |
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| walter | Oh... nice. I mentioned some time ago that I've got a 6x improvement on build speed by upgrading from Fedora 42 on BTRFS to F43 on EXT4 after doubling the RAM to 64GB. Turns out these were not the only things I've changed. This laptop came with Windows and there's an Windows vendor app that can be used to put the laptop in various performance modes, turns out the CPUs were underclocked or something. And there's nothing in the firmware (BIOS) to change this | 09:29 |
| walter | configuration, I've had to use the vendor app to switch from "entertainment mode" to "performance mode" to fix the performance. | 09:29 |
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| walter | So. PSA: Make sure your laptop is not running in some power saving mode, because Linux might not know how to switch out of this mode. You might need windows. | 09:33 |
| landgraf | PSA: Don't buy such laptops :D | 09:39 |
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| JaMa | or just don't build on laptops :) | 09:41 |
| JaMa | tiny toy fans can only deal with heat from building tiny images :) | 09:42 |
| aduskett | That's gotta be a new record for memory consumption. 32 Threads with LLVM, GCC, clang-native, and a bunch of other things being compiled at once. 64GB of ram was not enough. | 09:52 |
| aduskett | New record for memory consumption for me* | 09:52 |
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| neverpanic | 2GiB per core hasn't been enough to build a Yocto system for a while, especially with C++-heavy projects being compiled. | 10:01 |
| aduskett | Yeah, it really should be 3GiB per core, if not 4 now | 10:02 |
| neverpanic | I remember we used to have 96GiB for 40 cores, and it was tight. | 10:02 |
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| landgraf | hmmm. aws codebuild machine with 36vCPUs and 72GBs of memory handles build more or less fine. ~3hours with cold caches after rebase (because of nodejs and other c++ stuff) but not OOMs at least. | 10:06 |
| aduskett | landgraf, it seems like RPM signing takes up quite a good chunk of memory | 10:07 |
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| aduskett | I wish there was a way to tell bitbake "build -native packages first" but alas | 10:08 |
| JaMa | I'm seeing OOMKs on 64t CPU and 128GB ram more often then I would like, annoyingly the scoring often kills something more vital before picing the biggest offender like cc1 | 10:08 |
| aduskett | JaMa, the OOM killer always kills slack and mattermost for me and never ever kills CC1 lol | 10:08 |
| RP | aduskett: bitbake does have plugable schedulers so you can in theory write such a thing. In practice, they never seemed to help much though | 10:08 |
| JaMa | dbus-daemon, gvfsd-fuse, dbus-daemon, dconf-service, fusermount3, fusermount3, systemd, sd-pam, cc1plus | 10:09 |
| aduskett | RP, yeah. I'll just wait for memory price to come down (lmao) and buy 128GB of ram. Or ask the company for two sticks of 64GB | 10:09 |
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| walter | Yeah, but I don't have an ideal setup, I've just recently started working on Yocto (since last september) and I'm a consultant, I couldn't justify buying a new desktop, so I've been building on the newest laptop I've had. The good thing is that now it takes 2h to build core-image-weston with cold cache for qemuarm64, it used to take 12h before this change. | 10:10 |
| aduskett | man, I haven't built core-image-weston in a very long time. Usually my first step is to make my own image recipe :D | 10:11 |
| JaMa | it would help more if it kills cc1plus first and the rest survives, looks like anon-rss doesn't have the weight I would prefer in this case, but I never investigated how to properly adjust oom_score or something to improve it | 10:11 |
| aduskett | But yeah, this build is a cold cache. Pulled the latest from master to fix the failing dnf test as I finished a major contract yesterday | 10:11 |
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| aduskett | I just wish core-image-minimal was actually a minimal. Or maybe provide a core-image-tiny to go along with core-image-tiny-initramfs.bb. A tiny base image should be busybox + a kernel | 10:18 |
| rburton | aduskett: easily done, make your own image | 10:21 |
| aduskett | rburton, oh for sure | 10:21 |
| aduskett | and I have :P | 10:21 |
| rburton | and send a patch if you want :) | 10:21 |
| aduskett | rburton, https://github.com/dlespiau/poky/blob/master/meta-yocto/conf/distro/poky-tiny.conf | 10:22 |
| aduskett | :D | 10:22 |
| rburton | well that repo is a blast from the past | 10:22 |
| aduskett | ahaha | 10:22 |
| aduskett | rburton, if you think a core-image-tiny would be accepted I will gladly make one | 10:22 |
| rburton | maybe core-image-busybox would be a better name | 10:23 |
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| aduskett | rburton, eh, doesn't that name imply you have to use busybox as the init? | 10:23 |
| aduskett | core-image-tiny feels more like a "this is a base image for anything I want" | 10:23 |
| JaMa | like toybox :) | 10:24 |
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| aduskett | oh man | 10:25 |
| aduskett | I forgot about toybox | 10:25 |
| aduskett | glibc-locale-2.43+git-r0 do_package_write_rpm - 32m15s | 10:26 |
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| aduskett | man, that is a long rpm write | 10:26 |
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| RP | aduskett: ouch. There are a lot of packages in there | 10:44 |
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| rburton | aduskett: you said "busybox plus kernel" | 10:56 |
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| aduskett | rburton, indeed | 11:30 |
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| mathieudb | tlwoerner: I've got a build where the wic environment file was not found. I looked into the build folder, the file is indeed missing. Reading the code, I can't understand how it might happen, as do_rootfs_wicenv ran correctly. Do you have any idea? https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/valkyrie/#/builders/15/builds/3546 | 11:45 |
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| tlwoerner | mathieudb: i have not seen that one | 11:48 |
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| tlwoerner | mathieudb: it says: "wic.WicError: Unable to find the location of the native tools sysroot" | 11:50 |
| tlwoerner | oh... i see, it can't find that because it can't find the environment file (that would tell it that) | 11:51 |
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| mathieudb | tlwoerner: yes, that's how I understand this error | 11:51 |
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| JaMa | RP: should I send follow-up fix for apr handling the additional space as well? | 12:24 |
| JaMa | since the updated .m4 I never had the -std flag on my systems, but I can try in some image with gcc-14 which might show it | 12:26 |
| JaMa | only in some incremental build I had it only in package/packages-split, but not in sysroot-destdir and there was multiple spaces before -std | 12:29 |
| RP | JaMa: did the apr file have the space too? | 12:30 |
| JaMa | https://bpa.st/XRMSK | 12:30 |
| mathieudb | RP: https://valkyrie.yocto.io/pub/repro-fail/oe-reproducible-20260414-82oogy25/packages/diff-html/ too | 12:30 |
| JaMa | it had 2 spaces before the updated .m4 (from my first patch), then I never had seen -std. | 12:30 |
| JaMa | other than your diffoscope output, let me check there | 12:31 |
| JaMa | ah mathieudb already reported it on ML | 12:31 |
| JaMa | https://valkyrie.yocto.io/pub/repro-fail/oe-reproducible-20260414-82oogy25/packages/diff-html/ | 12:31 |
| mathieudb | JaMa: yes, I saw you message here a few seconds later, sorry :) | 12:32 |
| JaMa | but there is single space without -std= and 2 spaces with -std it seems | 12:33 |
| JaMa | so the sed is a bit prone (or we should drop all trailing spaces from CC_FOR_BUILD in all cases) | 12:33 |
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| RP | JaMa: I was assuming the space is always added with the option so I just made it drop the single space but we could clear all spaces... | 12:35 |
| JaMa | ok, will send follow-up for apr, doing it now | 12:35 |
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| RP | JaMa: thanks. The other patch also had a different spacing around the '=' to account for | 12:36 |
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| JaMa | looks like apr is at least consistent about not using space around =, but will drop = to make it consistent with regexp you've used for strace | 12:40 |
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| JaMa | with ubuntu 25.04 with gcc-14 I was able to reproduce it now on both target and native build, so it was as khem said, 24.04 with gcc-13 doesn't add it anymore because gnu23 is not supported and 26.04 doesn't add it, because it's the default with gcc-15 | 13:16 |
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| RP | JaMa: thanks, I've merged than and my change, lets hope this sorts it! | 13:28 |
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| hcg | I am trying to build a 6.18 kernel and I hit the issue where kconfiglib does not support the transitional attribute - I found the commit upstream in yocto-kernel-tools and have patched it locally, but now I hit issues with kgit-s2q - can anyone suggest any solution? | 15:38 |
| hcg | This is under Scarthgap and I am using meta-linux-mainline as source for kernels | 15:39 |
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| khem | RP: FWIW this autoconf smartness about adding -std=gnu23 is going to be troublesome until packages shunt it by doing it in there respective configury | 16:31 |
| khem | I forgot that it was called autotools before term AI came into pop culture :) | 16:31 |
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| paulbarker | hcg: I don't have any good answer but if you make progress could you update https://github.com/betafive/meta-linux-mainline/issues/40 for anyone else with the same needs? Thanks! | 16:43 |
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| hcg | paulbarker: sure, | 16:52 |
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| RP | khem: hopefully we have the right bandaids for now | 16:56 |
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| smurray | anyone have an idea how to go around fixing this? Remove those files in do_install in those packages? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wUeUJv6R/ | 21:56 |
| smurray | this comes up in meta-security testing, as there's a package that has a dependency on python3-pyrad | 21:57 |
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| RP | smurray: delete them, or track down why something is trying to add them in the first place | 22:15 |
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| smurray | RP: I'll poke at it tomorrow, I believe those files just get blindly installed and I think it was not a problem until the last python3-pyrad upgrade added a set there | 22:35 |
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