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| hrw | the pain of arm soc support... | 08:52 |
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| mort | the pain of platforms without well-defined standards for runtime discovery of hardware | 09:06 |
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| hrw | well, people will say that DeviceTree was added for it. | 09:27 |
| hrw | too bad that arm soc vendors do not get memo 'you should have support for soc in mainline linux before you sell chips' | 09:28 |
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| mort | probably not that easy to convince them to hold back their chips by a year or two while the upstreaming process goes on | 10:17 |
| rburton | there's a big lag between 'hardware design finalised' and 'chips for sale' though | 10:19 |
| mort | anyway, I have a question about premirrors: I want to replace one git repo with another (say git.foo.com/example.git => git.bar.com/example.git). I want to keep all the parameters as is, except I want to force protocol to be ssh instead of https, so git://git.foo.com/example.git;protocol=https;branch=whatever;nobranch=1 should become | 10:21 |
| mort | git://git.bar.com/example.git;protocol=ssh;branch=whatever;nobranch=1. Is "git://git\.foo\.com/example.git;protocol=https git://git.bar.com/example.git;protocol=ssh" enough for that? | 10:21 |
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| mort | I don't think I understand whether PREMIRRORS does dumb string substitution or if it parses the pattern and the replacement and handles parameters intelligently | 10:23 |
| mort | https://docs.yoctoproject.org/4.0.16/singleindex.html#term-PREMIRRORS and the docs aren't telling me much | 10:28 |
| hrw | mort: probably not easy. | 10:35 |
| hrw | mort: and for soc vendors it is easier that way cause they manufacture chips, sell them and can ignore market and go work on something else. | 10:36 |
| hrw | 'our work is done, deal with it' | 10:37 |
| hrw | I gave up on using arm sbc for anything. x86-64 provides systems for all my needs nowadays | 10:37 |
| mort | if only Intel produced decent low power SoCs | 10:40 |
| hrw | my recent x86-64 box uses AMD GX-415GA SoC. Few years old thin terminal to use as remote backup box. | 10:43 |
| hrw | few years ago I would think of using Pine64 RockPro64 for it | 10:44 |
| mort | do you get those non-socketed? (alternatively, can you get a small cheap socket you can integrate into a custom PCB?) And does it work without cooling? | 10:48 |
| hrw | I am user. | 10:50 |
| hrw | and when I have to choose 'arm sbc which may boot fine in a year from now' or 'a bit old x86-64 but boots out of a box' and they both cover my needs... | 10:51 |
| mort | ouch they're from 2013 | 10:52 |
| mort | if it works for your use case that's great, and I can imagine if you have a board built around one it's nice to deal with | 10:53 |
| hrw | yeah, just too frustrated with lack of quality in arm sbc space | 10:55 |
| florian | hrw: You just need to develop magic BSP powers ;-) | 10:57 |
| hrw | florian: BTDT. | 10:58 |
| hrw | nowadays I am dealing with sbsa-ref in qemu. Reading EDK2 debug log is weird fun | 10:58 |
| florian | hrw: scnr... but yes I know. :) | 10:59 |
| hrw | :D | 11:00 |
| florian | If you go that far that you have to deal with lowlevel x86 bits things stop looking shiny. | 11:00 |
| florian | In fact the advantage is that you do not have to do this that frequently... | 11:01 |
| hrw | sure, but the thing is "you do not have to" | 11:01 |
| florian | heh | 11:01 |
| hrw | rk3588 looks like a nice soc. finally not v8.0, quick cores, gpu with open driver etc. | 11:02 |
| hrw | but it is 1-2 years old now and still things do not work there | 11:02 |
| florian | If you are lucky... I had to do several times. Some customers with special demands on x86 hardware... or debugging Linux boot process on x86 with ARCS firmware. | 11:02 |
| hrw | for someone who likes to deal with kernel patching, dt patching, system patching it may look tempting. | 11:03 |
| florian | Yep... and in most cases the SoM manufactures do not much to make it better. | 11:03 |
| hrw | for someone who wants to run mainline distro like debian/fedora it means 'just skip' | 11:03 |
| hrw | I spent 20y working with arm architectures. the only arm system powered at my home is wifi accesspoint. | 11:04 |
| hrw | or consumer electronics (tv, phone, tablet, ebook reader) | 11:05 |
| rburton | very disappointed in you hrw :) | 11:07 |
| florian | heh | 11:10 |
| hrw | rburton: let me be harsh: Arm ecosystem for developers is either expensive servers or digging in toilet | 11:11 |
| rburton | yeah there's a lot of shit | 11:11 |
| hrw | harsh/brutal/etc | 11:11 |
| rburton | lets hope the next rpi isn't trash! | 11:11 |
| florian | *cough* | 11:11 |
| hrw | rburton: r/pi foundation made one good product | 11:12 |
| hrw | RP2040 | 11:12 |
| hrw | simple, limited, cheap. does not run linux | 11:12 |
| rburton | all i want is something with a non-trash core and open firmware and modern mali gpu. turns out that's quite a tall order! :) | 11:13 |
| hrw | rburton: define 'non-trash core' please. A720? | 11:14 |
| rburton | that would do | 11:14 |
| rburton | something from this decade | 11:15 |
| hrw | rburton: if ardeno fits you then maybe SM8650 from qualcomm? | 11:16 |
| hrw | a720/a520/x4 | 11:16 |
| hrw | https://gpages.juszkiewicz.com.pl/arm-socs-table/arm-socs.html can be handy sometimes | 11:17 |
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| smurray | hrw: I imagine the only readily obtainable dev boards for that part are the Lantronix ones that Qualcomm gets built, so $$$ | 11:57 |
| smurray | hrw: and based on previous experience, you cannot buy some of those w/o approval from Qualcomm, so fun | 11:57 |
| hrw | and I wonder what kind of bootloader | 12:07 |
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| mort | from what I can tell, premirrors have no effect at all, even when matching on the exact string that's used by the SRC_URI for a specific git repo | 12:48 |
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| mort | I have PREMIRRORS:prepend = " git://github\.com/JeffyCN/mirrors\.git;protocol=https;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5\.10-2022_01_10; git://git.example.com/jeffycn-mirror.git;protocol=ssh;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5.10-2022_01_10; \n " and it still gets downloaded from github.com/JeffyCN/mirrors.git | 12:51 |
| mort | the SRC_URI is specifically git://github.com/JeffyCN/mirrors.git;protocol=https;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5.10-2022_01_10; | 12:51 |
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