Tuesday, 2024-03-19

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hrwthe pain of arm soc support...08:52
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mortthe pain of platforms without well-defined standards for runtime discovery of hardware09:06
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hrwwell, people will say that DeviceTree was added for it.09:27
hrwtoo bad that arm soc vendors do not get memo 'you should have support for soc in mainline linux before you sell chips'09:28
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mortprobably not that easy to convince them to hold back their chips by a year or two while the upstreaming process goes on10:17
rburtonthere's a big lag between 'hardware design finalised' and 'chips for sale' though10:19
mortanyway, I have a question about premirrors: I want to replace one git repo with another (say git.foo.com/example.git => git.bar.com/example.git). I want to keep all the parameters as is, except I want to force protocol to be ssh instead of https, so git://git.foo.com/example.git;protocol=https;branch=whatever;nobranch=1 should become10:21
mortgit://git.bar.com/example.git;protocol=ssh;branch=whatever;nobranch=1. Is "git://git\.foo\.com/example.git;protocol=https git://git.bar.com/example.git;protocol=ssh" enough for that?10:21
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mortI don't think I understand whether PREMIRRORS does dumb string substitution or if it parses the pattern and the replacement and handles parameters intelligently10:23
morthttps://docs.yoctoproject.org/4.0.16/singleindex.html#term-PREMIRRORS and the docs aren't telling me much10:28
hrwmort: probably not easy.10:35
hrwmort: and for soc vendors it is easier that way cause they manufacture chips, sell them and can ignore market and go work on something else.10:36
hrw'our work is done, deal with it'10:37
hrwI gave up on using arm sbc for anything. x86-64 provides systems for all my needs nowadays10:37
mortif only Intel produced decent low power SoCs10:40
hrwmy recent x86-64 box uses AMD GX-415GA SoC. Few years old thin terminal to use as remote backup box.10:43
hrwfew years ago I would think of using Pine64 RockPro64 for it10:44
mortdo you get those non-socketed? (alternatively, can you get a small cheap socket you can integrate into a custom PCB?) And does it work without cooling?10:48
hrwI am user.10:50
hrwand when I have to choose 'arm sbc which may boot fine in a year from now' or 'a bit old x86-64 but boots out of a box' and they both cover my needs...10:51
mortouch they're from 201310:52
mortif it works for your use case that's great, and I can imagine if you have a board built around one it's nice to deal with10:53
hrwyeah, just too frustrated with lack of quality in arm sbc space10:55
florianhrw: You just need to develop magic BSP powers ;-)10:57
hrwflorian: BTDT.10:58
hrwnowadays I am dealing with sbsa-ref in qemu. Reading EDK2 debug log is weird fun10:58
florianhrw: scnr... but yes I know. :)10:59
hrw:D11:00
florianIf you go that far that you have to deal with lowlevel x86 bits things stop looking shiny.11:00
florianIn fact the advantage is that you do not have to do this that frequently...11:01
hrwsure, but the thing is "you do not have to"11:01
florianheh11:01
hrwrk3588 looks like a nice soc. finally not v8.0, quick cores, gpu with open driver etc.11:02
hrwbut it is 1-2 years old now and still things do not work there11:02
florianIf you are lucky... I had to do several times. Some customers with special demands on x86 hardware... or debugging Linux boot process on x86 with ARCS firmware.11:02
hrwfor someone who likes to deal with kernel patching, dt patching, system patching it may look tempting.11:03
florianYep... and in most cases the SoM manufactures do not much to make it better.11:03
hrwfor someone who wants to run mainline distro like debian/fedora it means 'just skip'11:03
hrwI spent 20y working with arm architectures. the only arm system powered at my home is wifi accesspoint.11:04
hrwor consumer electronics (tv, phone, tablet, ebook reader)11:05
rburtonvery disappointed in you hrw :)11:07
florianheh11:10
hrwrburton: let me be harsh: Arm ecosystem for developers is either expensive servers or digging in toilet11:11
rburtonyeah there's a lot of shit11:11
hrwharsh/brutal/etc11:11
rburtonlets hope the next rpi isn't trash!11:11
florian*cough*11:11
hrwrburton: r/pi foundation made one good product11:12
hrwRP204011:12
hrwsimple, limited, cheap. does not run linux11:12
rburtonall i want is something with a non-trash core and open firmware and modern mali gpu. turns out that's quite a tall order! :)11:13
hrwrburton: define 'non-trash core' please. A720?11:14
rburtonthat would do11:14
rburtonsomething from this decade11:15
hrwrburton: if ardeno fits you then maybe SM8650 from qualcomm?11:16
hrwa720/a520/x411:16
hrwhttps://gpages.juszkiewicz.com.pl/arm-socs-table/arm-socs.html can be handy sometimes11:17
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smurrayhrw: I imagine the only readily obtainable dev boards for that part are the Lantronix ones that Qualcomm gets built, so $$$11:57
smurrayhrw: and based on previous experience, you cannot buy some of those w/o approval from Qualcomm, so fun11:57
hrwand I wonder what kind of bootloader12:07
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mortfrom what I can tell, premirrors have no effect at all, even when matching on the exact string that's used by the SRC_URI for a specific git repo12:48
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mortI have PREMIRRORS:prepend = " git://github\.com/JeffyCN/mirrors\.git;protocol=https;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5\.10-2022_01_10; git://git.example.com/jeffycn-mirror.git;protocol=ssh;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5.10-2022_01_10; \n " and it still gets downloaded from github.com/JeffyCN/mirrors.git12:51
mortthe SRC_URI is specifically git://github.com/JeffyCN/mirrors.git;protocol=https;nobranch=1;branch=kernel-5.10-2022_01_10;12:51
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