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mckoangood morning08:44
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TuTizzmorning09:06
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bluelightningmorning all10:31
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Krz-hi bluelightning11:08
Krz-wearing yocto-project t-shirts11:08
Krz-I was given in Edinburgh :)11:08
Krz-free ad for you guys11:09
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RPKrz-: nice :)11:14
LetoThe2ndyeah, ELC-E is an important part of the annual shirt supplies.11:23
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bluelightningKrz-: cool :)12:23
bluelightningI wish I'd picked up an extra at the booth... I gave away lots of them but only got one for myself12:24
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slips_How do I get rid of the LIC_FILES_CHKSUM requirement in the recipe?12:27
slips_(temporarily)12:27
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JaMaset LICENSE to CLOSED12:28
slips_ah. thanks, JaMa12:29
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RPhmm, the git fetcher change needs git > 1.8.012:54
RPcan we require that version of git?12:54
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rburtoncan we build it if required?12:57
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RPrburton: that is ahrder than it first appears13:06
rburtonyeah i can imagine, thus the question13:06
jackmitchellI've got a feeling ubuntu 12.04 stil uses 1.7.x13:07
RPjackmitchell: it will13:07
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Crofton|workRP, Fedora 19(?) has 1.8.3.113:25
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Crofton|workbut I would expect fedora to be up to date13:25
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bluelightninghttp://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=git&search_on=name&exact=113:44
RPI've merged a patch using older more ugly syntax13:46
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draskoHI all, how to tell in SRC_URI that I want latest git revision, i.e. HEAD14:30
drasko?14:30
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bluelightningdrasko: set SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}"14:33
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lpapphi, why is a core-image-minimal boot for more than half a minute?14:51
lpappit is really strange...14:51
lpappor at least 10-20 sec14:51
lpappshouldn't it be under 2-3 seconds?14:51
rburtoni recommend you profile it and find ut14:52
rburtonwe have bootchart14:52
rburtona good bet is udev taking too long on your HW14:52
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rburtonoh, and simply passing "quiet" to the kernel can make a significant difference14:53
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draskoHow to instruct do_compile that make command has to be done from another dir?15:05
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drasko(switch to th dir before excuting the make and some other stuff, then switch back)15:05
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bluelightningdrasko: you mean that make should be executed more than once?15:06
draskobluelightning, no, I mean make and some other stuff... like cp, sed...15:06
draskootherwise we can do make -C...15:07
bluelightningkind of looks like you need to define your own do_compile15:07
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bluelightnings/looks/sounds/15:07
bluelightningS controls where the source should be found; if you want the build to be done in a separate directory you can set B to point to a different subdir of ${WORKDIR}15:07
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Zagorhmm, I won't have time to attend the YPTM today :-(15:24
Zagornot that I usually contribute much.. :)15:25
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Jonsehi15:28
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sgw_Zagor: any progress  on the ptest wiki page?15:33
lpapprburton: udev taking long?15:34
lpapprburton: you mean systemd stuff?15:34
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Zagorsgw_: I'm afraid not. we've had a release crunch here, stealing all my time.15:36
rburtonlpapp: i mean the udev device probe15:36
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lpapprburton: means?15:37
sgw_Zagor: Understood, as mentioned last week there are some other folks that want to contribute updates to ptest and we just don't want to duplicate work.15:38
Zagoryes, I understand. I think the old mail still gives a pretty good picture actually.15:39
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rburtonlpapp: when udev starts it probes your hardware. that can take a while.15:39
rburtonlpapp: if you're concerned about boot time, use bootchart and get a detailed breakdown of where the time is going15:40
lpapprburton: well, why would that happen before getting a prompt?15:40
rburtonlpapp: because the udev probe happens very early15:41
rburtonas i said, that was a guess.  use bootchart.15:41
bluelightningrburton: you mean "ubootchart" I guess?15:42
RPhalstead: I'm wondering how quickly we could restore backups of the source mirror?15:43
bluelightning(since that's the recipe we have)15:43
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rburtonbluelightning: yeah., that :)15:44
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lpappbluelightning: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/930/15:45
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rburtonlpapp: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/292/15:46
lpapprburton: I am just showing that to bluelightning there are recipes for both.15:47
bluelightningright, in meta-oe15:47
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lpappyes15:48
rburtonoh that recipe is ancient15:48
rburtonbootchart2 has existed for several years15:48
lpappwell, 0.0+rX15:48
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lpappwhat version number is that? :D :D15:48
lpapp(for ubootchart)15:48
sgw_Zagor: thanks, I will put that on to a wiki page, and mark the ones we already have done.15:49
rburtonlpapp: maybe its never actually been released15:49
Zagorsgw_: thank you15:49
bluelightninghmm ubootchart seems unmaintained15:49
bluelightningit hasn't moved beyond what we're building15:49
rburtonlpapp: no tags, no releases, no versions. v0 is about the best you're going to get :)15:49
bluelightningsince 200715:50
rburtonbluelightning: probably worth ditching both of those and using bootchart215:50
bluelightningapparently busybox provides a tiny bootchart daemon as well...15:50
lpappthink we should replace ubootchart with bootchart in core......15:50
rburtonoh yeah, it does15:50
bluelightningrburton: could be15:50
rburtonbootchart2 is less python and more C, which should mitigate why ubootchart exists15:50
lpapp"kinda"15:50
rburtonleaving the busybox bootchart for the tiny people15:50
bluelightningsounds like a reasonable approach15:51
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rburtonsystemd has an integrated bootchart too15:51
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lpappis that also as bad as udev? :D15:52
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rburtonhttps://github.com/mmeeks/bootchart/, fwiw15:53
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sgw_The Yocto Project Tech Meeting Con-Call will be starting at the top of the hour15:53
sgw_Dial-in number: 1.972.995.7777 / Participant passcode:   4200107815:53
sgw_This call is open to all and the channel remains open to discuss any topic15:53
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rburtonI propose as a topic a debate on the conclusion of series 3 of The Killing15:54
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bluelightninghmm bootchart2 has its own copy of pybootchartgui like we do...15:55
lpappso, has anyone used the busybox chart stuff?15:55
lpappor the systemd?15:55
rburtonbluelightning: we both forked pybootchartui15:55
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rburtonbluelightning: meeks is open to merging support for reading our data in that version, fwiw. :)15:56
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bluelightningrburton: that's good :)15:57
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Song_LiuYPTM: welcome to the technical team meeting. Any opens?16:03
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WarheadsSEQuestion for whomever: re BB_GENEATE_MIRROR_TARBALLS -- the docs not "performance reasons" .. what reasons16:47
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rburtonpresumably the performance overhead of creating the tarballs16:49
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RPhmm, does someone want to explain http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-mips/builds/3/steps/Building%20Images_1/logs/stdio to me? :/17:16
RPrecipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot_setscene: Succeeded17:17
RPNOTE: recipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Started17:17
RPNOTE: recipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Failed17:17
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b1gtunaGood morning! Does anyone know if Debian SCM is down? ca_certificate is getting fetch fail17:47
sgw_b1gtuna: yes, there has been a problem since last week, we know about it and there was also a bug found in the fetcher, we have it in the mirror17:50
b1gtunasgw_: hmm the premirror didn't work for me. I should check up on that17:51
sgw_b1gtuna: are you using master?17:52
b1gtunaI'm on Dora17:53
b1gtunaI am not modifying the premirror related configurations. Do you think perhaps the bug fix did not get backported?17:54
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sgw_b1gtuna: it was just fixed today, so probably not backported yet, but will be17:56
sgw_b1gtuna: you could possibly take the top commit from master and cherry-pick it into dora to test.17:56
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b1gtunasgw_: good stuff, I can definitely try it out. Do you have a link to it? I searched in the OE mailing list, it's not coming up17:58
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b1gtunasgw_: thanks18:00
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sgw_possibly on the bitbake mailing list, http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=215dab864e7cf74394840621ad0754db593708f118:00
sgw_actually you might need the top two patches from poky/master18:00
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b1gtunasgw_: great! One last question - will this eventually get backported to Dora? Or have you guys already moved on?18:03
sgw_b1gtuna: dora is in stable mode, we are working on a 1.5.1 so these will be back-ported soon.18:04
b1gtunasgw_: gotcha. thank you very much18:06
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sgw_otavio_: around, have you seen bug 5551?20:32
yoctiBug https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 major, Undecided, ---, otavio, NEW , 3.10.9 Kernel hanging on fsl-image-gui20:32
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otavio_sgw_:23:23
otavio_hi23:23
otavio_was out23:23
*** otavio_ is now known as otavio23:23
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otaviosgw_: #5551 is forwarded to someone but no reply yet :-(23:24
sgw_otavio: no worries, what's the priority for it? Med/Med+?23:28
otaviosgw_: Med+23:32
otaviosgw_: I am looking at it but not in public23:32
otaviosgw_: you know how it works :(23:32
seebsSo, I got curious about a thing, which is that a badly-broken config may be so broken that bitbake can't even get close to the point of dumping variables, which makes them hard to debug.23:32
otaviosgw_: in fact I requested for it to be reported23:32
otaviosgw_: ;)23:33
seebsAnd I started messing with this to see if I can find a way to make it so that bitbake will survive long enough to give useful diagnostics.23:33
sgw_otavio: 1.5.1 issue or is that only 1.623:33
seebsAnd I found a fascinating thing, which is that if part of the name that it wants to use for a run.do_some_task file is a variable which is not defined, the file may actually get created with a name containing a literal ${variable_with_no_value}, but the attempts to interact with that file later replace the name with "".23:34
kergothhah23:36
seebsOur system has a really early gen_sysroot_properties. My test case was just to break a qemuarma9 tuning (our armv7a thing) by setting DEFAULTTUNE to "".23:37
seebsSo now I am looking to try to figure out what generated the actual literal filename "./tmp/work/${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}-wrs-linux-gnueabi/bblayers/..."23:37
seebsMy ideal goal would be for bitbake -e to work even if you have something severely broken, so you can at least get some idea of what is or isn't wrong.23:38
otaviosgw_: 1.5.123:38
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sgw_otavio: done23:39
seebsAnyone familiar with data_smart happen to know what determines whether an expansion leaves unmatched variables in as text, or replaces them with ""?23:42
kergothseebs: it always leaves an undefined variable as is23:44
kergothit only replaces with "" if the value is ""23:44
* kergoth hates that we did that23:44
seebsWait, always?23:44
* kergoth wishes it errored when expanding undefined vars23:44
kergothwell, it's not going to flip a coin23:44
seebsBecause I have stuff like ${OPTIONAL_EXTRA} in FILES_foo sometimes.23:44
kergothyes, that's the behavior23:44
seebsAnd if I never define ${OPTIONAL_EXTRA}, the resulting value shown in the output is empty.23:45
kergoththat wont hurt, since that exact value won't be found23:45
seebs... Hmm. I might have an OPTIONAL_EXTRA_append_override. Does that make OPTIONAL_EXTRA have an empty value even if that particular override doesn't apply?23:45
kergothdon't know what you tell you, bitbake never substitutes the empty string if a var is unset23:45
seebsHuh.23:45
kergothhmm, seems unlikely, but possible?23:45
kergothif so i'd argue it's a bug23:46
seebsThe errors I'm getting come from when bitbake, having created a file named ${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}-foo, then can't find the directory -foo to cd to.23:46
seebsWhereas if it looked for ${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}, it...23:46
seebsoh, hey.23:46
seebsBecuase that's made it on to the shell.23:46
seebsD'oh.23:46
seebsBecause, even.23:46
seebs*thinks* Ugh.23:46
* kergoth hopes we can change this behavior in the long term, it just adds to confusion due to bitbake and shell using the same variable expansion syntax23:47
seebsYes, yes it does. Especially because I sometimes want to use shell substitutions which really do require me to use ${foo:-bar} type stuff.23:48
kergothyeah, me too23:48
seebsAnd I found what's biting me. The run.* script contains "cd /path/to/workdir" with no quotes.23:48
seebsIt should probably single-quote that path since it knows that the *intent* is that there are no variables to expand.23:49
seebsOh, wow, that helps immensely.23:50
seebsOkay, that's a one-line patch that got me from 300+ lines of incomprehensible gibberish to 10 lines of output that actually told me what was wrong.23:50
kergothnice23:50
seebsStill can't use bitbake -e on it, though. Hmm.23:51
seebsI really want -e to work even if sanity checks fail.23:52
kergothagreed23:54
seebs... Well, okay, there's an easy solution, which is: If you add -e, just manually set DISABLE_SANITY_CHECKS = "1"23:55
seebsAlthough I don't really like that, because I want them to run, I just don't want them to kill execution.23:55
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kergothi'd thought most were running at BuildStarted time rather than ConfigParsed time, but maybe not23:58
seebsSanity checks run at ConfigParsed, probably to keep from re-running the expensive ones.23:58
seebsAnd it looks like the sanity check handler is explicitly exiting, causing the caller to get a SystemExit exception. And I think I'd rather have it raise an exception which the caller can decide how to handle based on other context, like "whether we think we are doing tracking".23:59
kergothBuildStarted only runs once too, after the config files are parsed, but before the build runs23:59
* kergoth shrugs23:59
seebsI *thought*, possibly incorrectly, that if you ran multiple builds (because something was failing), later builds might not need a new ConfigParsed unless config changed.23:59

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