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mckoan | good morning | 08:44 |
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TuTizz | morning | 09:06 |
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bluelightning | morning all | 10:31 |
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Krz- | hi bluelightning | 11:08 |
Krz- | wearing yocto-project t-shirts | 11:08 |
Krz- | I was given in Edinburgh :) | 11:08 |
Krz- | free ad for you guys | 11:09 |
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RP | Krz-: nice :) | 11:14 |
LetoThe2nd | yeah, ELC-E is an important part of the annual shirt supplies. | 11:23 |
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bluelightning | Krz-: cool :) | 12:23 |
bluelightning | I wish I'd picked up an extra at the booth... I gave away lots of them but only got one for myself | 12:24 |
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slips_ | How do I get rid of the LIC_FILES_CHKSUM requirement in the recipe? | 12:27 |
slips_ | (temporarily) | 12:27 |
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JaMa | set LICENSE to CLOSED | 12:28 |
slips_ | ah. thanks, JaMa | 12:29 |
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RP | hmm, the git fetcher change needs git > 1.8.0 | 12:54 |
RP | can we require that version of git? | 12:54 |
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rburton | can we build it if required? | 12:57 |
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RP | rburton: that is ahrder than it first appears | 13:06 |
rburton | yeah i can imagine, thus the question | 13:06 |
jackmitchell | I've got a feeling ubuntu 12.04 stil uses 1.7.x | 13:07 |
RP | jackmitchell: it will | 13:07 |
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Crofton|work | RP, Fedora 19(?) has 1.8.3.1 | 13:25 |
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Crofton|work | but I would expect fedora to be up to date | 13:25 |
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bluelightning | http://pkgs.org/search/?keyword=git&search_on=name&exact=1 | 13:44 |
RP | I've merged a patch using older more ugly syntax | 13:46 |
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drasko | HI all, how to tell in SRC_URI that I want latest git revision, i.e. HEAD | 14:30 |
drasko | ? | 14:30 |
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bluelightning | drasko: set SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}" | 14:33 |
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lpapp | hi, why is a core-image-minimal boot for more than half a minute? | 14:51 |
lpapp | it is really strange... | 14:51 |
lpapp | or at least 10-20 sec | 14:51 |
lpapp | shouldn't it be under 2-3 seconds? | 14:51 |
rburton | i recommend you profile it and find ut | 14:52 |
rburton | we have bootchart | 14:52 |
rburton | a good bet is udev taking too long on your HW | 14:52 |
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rburton | oh, and simply passing "quiet" to the kernel can make a significant difference | 14:53 |
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drasko | How to instruct do_compile that make command has to be done from another dir? | 15:05 |
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drasko | (switch to th dir before excuting the make and some other stuff, then switch back) | 15:05 |
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bluelightning | drasko: you mean that make should be executed more than once? | 15:06 |
drasko | bluelightning, no, I mean make and some other stuff... like cp, sed... | 15:06 |
drasko | otherwise we can do make -C... | 15:07 |
bluelightning | kind of looks like you need to define your own do_compile | 15:07 |
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bluelightning | s/looks/sounds/ | 15:07 |
bluelightning | S controls where the source should be found; if you want the build to be done in a separate directory you can set B to point to a different subdir of ${WORKDIR} | 15:07 |
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Zagor | hmm, I won't have time to attend the YPTM today :-( | 15:24 |
Zagor | not that I usually contribute much.. :) | 15:25 |
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Jonse | hi | 15:28 |
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sgw_ | Zagor: any progress on the ptest wiki page? | 15:33 |
lpapp | rburton: udev taking long? | 15:34 |
lpapp | rburton: you mean systemd stuff? | 15:34 |
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Zagor | sgw_: I'm afraid not. we've had a release crunch here, stealing all my time. | 15:36 |
rburton | lpapp: i mean the udev device probe | 15:36 |
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lpapp | rburton: means? | 15:37 |
sgw_ | Zagor: Understood, as mentioned last week there are some other folks that want to contribute updates to ptest and we just don't want to duplicate work. | 15:38 |
Zagor | yes, I understand. I think the old mail still gives a pretty good picture actually. | 15:39 |
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rburton | lpapp: when udev starts it probes your hardware. that can take a while. | 15:39 |
rburton | lpapp: if you're concerned about boot time, use bootchart and get a detailed breakdown of where the time is going | 15:40 |
lpapp | rburton: well, why would that happen before getting a prompt? | 15:40 |
rburton | lpapp: because the udev probe happens very early | 15:41 |
rburton | as i said, that was a guess. use bootchart. | 15:41 |
bluelightning | rburton: you mean "ubootchart" I guess? | 15:42 |
RP | halstead: I'm wondering how quickly we could restore backups of the source mirror? | 15:43 |
bluelightning | (since that's the recipe we have) | 15:43 |
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rburton | bluelightning: yeah., that :) | 15:44 |
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lpapp | bluelightning: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/930/ | 15:45 |
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rburton | lpapp: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/recipe/292/ | 15:46 |
lpapp | rburton: I am just showing that to bluelightning there are recipes for both. | 15:47 |
bluelightning | right, in meta-oe | 15:47 |
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lpapp | yes | 15:48 |
rburton | oh that recipe is ancient | 15:48 |
rburton | bootchart2 has existed for several years | 15:48 |
lpapp | well, 0.0+rX | 15:48 |
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lpapp | what version number is that? :D :D | 15:48 |
lpapp | (for ubootchart) | 15:48 |
sgw_ | Zagor: thanks, I will put that on to a wiki page, and mark the ones we already have done. | 15:49 |
rburton | lpapp: maybe its never actually been released | 15:49 |
Zagor | sgw_: thank you | 15:49 |
bluelightning | hmm ubootchart seems unmaintained | 15:49 |
bluelightning | it hasn't moved beyond what we're building | 15:49 |
rburton | lpapp: no tags, no releases, no versions. v0 is about the best you're going to get :) | 15:49 |
bluelightning | since 2007 | 15:50 |
rburton | bluelightning: probably worth ditching both of those and using bootchart2 | 15:50 |
bluelightning | apparently busybox provides a tiny bootchart daemon as well... | 15:50 |
lpapp | think we should replace ubootchart with bootchart in core...... | 15:50 |
rburton | oh yeah, it does | 15:50 |
bluelightning | rburton: could be | 15:50 |
rburton | bootchart2 is less python and more C, which should mitigate why ubootchart exists | 15:50 |
lpapp | "kinda" | 15:50 |
rburton | leaving the busybox bootchart for the tiny people | 15:50 |
bluelightning | sounds like a reasonable approach | 15:51 |
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rburton | systemd has an integrated bootchart too | 15:51 |
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lpapp | is that also as bad as udev? :D | 15:52 |
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rburton | https://github.com/mmeeks/bootchart/, fwiw | 15:53 |
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sgw_ | The Yocto Project Tech Meeting Con-Call will be starting at the top of the hour | 15:53 |
sgw_ | Dial-in number: 1.972.995.7777 / Participant passcode: 42001078 | 15:53 |
sgw_ | This call is open to all and the channel remains open to discuss any topic | 15:53 |
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rburton | I propose as a topic a debate on the conclusion of series 3 of The Killing | 15:54 |
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bluelightning | hmm bootchart2 has its own copy of pybootchartgui like we do... | 15:55 |
lpapp | so, has anyone used the busybox chart stuff? | 15:55 |
lpapp | or the systemd? | 15:55 |
rburton | bluelightning: we both forked pybootchartui | 15:55 |
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rburton | bluelightning: meeks is open to merging support for reading our data in that version, fwiw. :) | 15:56 |
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bluelightning | rburton: that's good :) | 15:57 |
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Song_Liu | YPTM: welcome to the technical team meeting. Any opens? | 16:03 |
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WarheadsSE | Question for whomever: re BB_GENEATE_MIRROR_TARBALLS -- the docs not "performance reasons" .. what reasons | 16:47 |
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rburton | presumably the performance overhead of creating the tarballs | 16:49 |
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RP | hmm, does someone want to explain http://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org:8011/builders/nightly-mips/builds/3/steps/Building%20Images_1/logs/stdio to me? :/ | 17:16 |
RP | recipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot_setscene: Succeeded | 17:17 |
RP | NOTE: recipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Started | 17:17 |
RP | NOTE: recipe linux-yocto-3.10.17+gitAUTOINC+6ad20f049a_2d91e20101-r0: task do_populate_sysroot: Failed | 17:17 |
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b1gtuna | Good morning! Does anyone know if Debian SCM is down? ca_certificate is getting fetch fail | 17:47 |
sgw_ | b1gtuna: yes, there has been a problem since last week, we know about it and there was also a bug found in the fetcher, we have it in the mirror | 17:50 |
b1gtuna | sgw_: hmm the premirror didn't work for me. I should check up on that | 17:51 |
sgw_ | b1gtuna: are you using master? | 17:52 |
b1gtuna | I'm on Dora | 17:53 |
b1gtuna | I am not modifying the premirror related configurations. Do you think perhaps the bug fix did not get backported? | 17:54 |
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sgw_ | b1gtuna: it was just fixed today, so probably not backported yet, but will be | 17:56 |
sgw_ | b1gtuna: you could possibly take the top commit from master and cherry-pick it into dora to test. | 17:56 |
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b1gtuna | sgw_: good stuff, I can definitely try it out. Do you have a link to it? I searched in the OE mailing list, it's not coming up | 17:58 |
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b1gtuna | sgw_: thanks | 18:00 |
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sgw_ | possibly on the bitbake mailing list, http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=215dab864e7cf74394840621ad0754db593708f1 | 18:00 |
sgw_ | actually you might need the top two patches from poky/master | 18:00 |
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b1gtuna | sgw_: great! One last question - will this eventually get backported to Dora? Or have you guys already moved on? | 18:03 |
sgw_ | b1gtuna: dora is in stable mode, we are working on a 1.5.1 so these will be back-ported soon. | 18:04 |
b1gtuna | sgw_: gotcha. thank you very much | 18:06 |
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sgw_ | otavio_: around, have you seen bug 5551? | 20:32 |
yocti | Bug https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 major, Undecided, ---, otavio, NEW , 3.10.9 Kernel hanging on fsl-image-gui | 20:32 |
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otavio_ | sgw_: | 23:23 |
otavio_ | hi | 23:23 |
otavio_ | was out | 23:23 |
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otavio | sgw_: #5551 is forwarded to someone but no reply yet :-( | 23:24 |
sgw_ | otavio: no worries, what's the priority for it? Med/Med+? | 23:28 |
otavio | sgw_: Med+ | 23:32 |
otavio | sgw_: I am looking at it but not in public | 23:32 |
otavio | sgw_: you know how it works :( | 23:32 |
seebs | So, I got curious about a thing, which is that a badly-broken config may be so broken that bitbake can't even get close to the point of dumping variables, which makes them hard to debug. | 23:32 |
otavio | sgw_: in fact I requested for it to be reported | 23:32 |
otavio | sgw_: ;) | 23:33 |
seebs | And I started messing with this to see if I can find a way to make it so that bitbake will survive long enough to give useful diagnostics. | 23:33 |
sgw_ | otavio: 1.5.1 issue or is that only 1.6 | 23:33 |
seebs | And I found a fascinating thing, which is that if part of the name that it wants to use for a run.do_some_task file is a variable which is not defined, the file may actually get created with a name containing a literal ${variable_with_no_value}, but the attempts to interact with that file later replace the name with "". | 23:34 |
kergoth | hah | 23:36 |
seebs | Our system has a really early gen_sysroot_properties. My test case was just to break a qemuarma9 tuning (our armv7a thing) by setting DEFAULTTUNE to "". | 23:37 |
seebs | So now I am looking to try to figure out what generated the actual literal filename "./tmp/work/${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}-wrs-linux-gnueabi/bblayers/..." | 23:37 |
seebs | My ideal goal would be for bitbake -e to work even if you have something severely broken, so you can at least get some idea of what is or isn't wrong. | 23:38 |
otavio | sgw_: 1.5.1 | 23:38 |
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sgw_ | otavio: done | 23:39 |
seebs | Anyone familiar with data_smart happen to know what determines whether an expansion leaves unmatched variables in as text, or replaces them with ""? | 23:42 |
kergoth | seebs: it always leaves an undefined variable as is | 23:44 |
kergoth | it only replaces with "" if the value is "" | 23:44 |
* kergoth hates that we did that | 23:44 | |
seebs | Wait, always? | 23:44 |
* kergoth wishes it errored when expanding undefined vars | 23:44 | |
kergoth | well, it's not going to flip a coin | 23:44 |
seebs | Because I have stuff like ${OPTIONAL_EXTRA} in FILES_foo sometimes. | 23:44 |
kergoth | yes, that's the behavior | 23:44 |
seebs | And if I never define ${OPTIONAL_EXTRA}, the resulting value shown in the output is empty. | 23:45 |
kergoth | that wont hurt, since that exact value won't be found | 23:45 |
seebs | ... Hmm. I might have an OPTIONAL_EXTRA_append_override. Does that make OPTIONAL_EXTRA have an empty value even if that particular override doesn't apply? | 23:45 |
kergoth | don't know what you tell you, bitbake never substitutes the empty string if a var is unset | 23:45 |
seebs | Huh. | 23:45 |
kergoth | hmm, seems unlikely, but possible? | 23:45 |
kergoth | if so i'd argue it's a bug | 23:46 |
seebs | The errors I'm getting come from when bitbake, having created a file named ${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}-foo, then can't find the directory -foo to cd to. | 23:46 |
seebs | Whereas if it looked for ${ARMPKGARCH_tune-}, it... | 23:46 |
seebs | oh, hey. | 23:46 |
seebs | Becuase that's made it on to the shell. | 23:46 |
seebs | D'oh. | 23:46 |
seebs | Because, even. | 23:46 |
seebs | *thinks* Ugh. | 23:46 |
* kergoth hopes we can change this behavior in the long term, it just adds to confusion due to bitbake and shell using the same variable expansion syntax | 23:47 | |
seebs | Yes, yes it does. Especially because I sometimes want to use shell substitutions which really do require me to use ${foo:-bar} type stuff. | 23:48 |
kergoth | yeah, me too | 23:48 |
seebs | And I found what's biting me. The run.* script contains "cd /path/to/workdir" with no quotes. | 23:48 |
seebs | It should probably single-quote that path since it knows that the *intent* is that there are no variables to expand. | 23:49 |
seebs | Oh, wow, that helps immensely. | 23:50 |
seebs | Okay, that's a one-line patch that got me from 300+ lines of incomprehensible gibberish to 10 lines of output that actually told me what was wrong. | 23:50 |
kergoth | nice | 23:50 |
seebs | Still can't use bitbake -e on it, though. Hmm. | 23:51 |
seebs | I really want -e to work even if sanity checks fail. | 23:52 |
kergoth | agreed | 23:54 |
seebs | ... Well, okay, there's an easy solution, which is: If you add -e, just manually set DISABLE_SANITY_CHECKS = "1" | 23:55 |
seebs | Although I don't really like that, because I want them to run, I just don't want them to kill execution. | 23:55 |
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kergoth | i'd thought most were running at BuildStarted time rather than ConfigParsed time, but maybe not | 23:58 |
seebs | Sanity checks run at ConfigParsed, probably to keep from re-running the expensive ones. | 23:58 |
seebs | And it looks like the sanity check handler is explicitly exiting, causing the caller to get a SystemExit exception. And I think I'd rather have it raise an exception which the caller can decide how to handle based on other context, like "whether we think we are doing tracking". | 23:59 |
kergoth | BuildStarted only runs once too, after the config files are parsed, but before the build runs | 23:59 |
* kergoth shrugs | 23:59 | |
seebs | I *thought*, possibly incorrectly, that if you ran multiple builds (because something was failing), later builds might not need a new ConfigParsed unless config changed. | 23:59 |
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