Friday, 2013-12-13

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nerdboynow that i see it, i'm really tempted to set LANGUAGES = "c,c++,d,java,go,objc,obj-c++,fortran,ada" and see what happens...02:05
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nerdboyand that reminds me of the icedtea/java recipe stuff the other day02:08
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* nerdboy tries just LANGUAGES = "c,c++,java,fortran"02:12
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nerdboythe only "extra" depend should be libart for ecj02:23
nerdboyplus the main jar file02:23
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nerdboythis looks odd...
nerdboythis one looks like it requires a clean rebuild, although i'm not sure why03:15
nerdboyi had a full build already before i changed the gcc config03:15
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* nerdboy wonders why a fresh build would have any do_populate_sysroot_setscene tasks in the first place03:59
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nerdboythat was the previous error, only now it's just a warning03:59
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ramoseI have one doubt regarding princ value07:10
ramoseI have one bbappend file where i have making use of files placed in file folder07:11
ramosenow current value of princ is 4 and I have made some changes to one of file placed in file folder07:12
ramosethen in this case do I have to increment the princ value IN bbapend?07:12
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mckoangood morning08:56
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linuhi i just try to connect my at91sam9g35ek board to ubuntu pc through gadget serial g_serial,but when i try to open minicom it shows  minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory, but there is a file in /dev/ttyACM0, can you help me09:30
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linuany idea09:34
n01linu: permissions?09:36
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linun01 it has full permission crwxr-xr-x 1 root dialout 166, 0 Dec 13 15:09 /dev/ttyACM0, but when i try to open minicom with ttyACM0 it freeze with "Initializing Modem" message09:42
n01are you root? try with 777 just to be sure09:43
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linun01, crwxrwxrwx 1 root dialout 166, 0 Dec 13 15:12 /dev/ttyACM0 and when i try to open it shows me Device /dev/ttyACM0 is locked.09:44
n01locked? do you have other minicom sessions open?09:48
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linun01, yes ttyUSB0 for debugport.09:49
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n01close all the minicom session and try to just open a new connection an ACM09:50
linun01, yes i already tried that and even i reboot my pc,but it freeze with "Initializing Modem" message, now i opened only one session for ACM0, it freeze does not open09:52
OlivierGHi there a specific way to integrate "Linux kernel backports" in "recipes-kernel" ???09:55
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linun01, any idea10:00
bluelightningmorning all10:00
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bluelightningOlivierG: hi... not sure I understand the question... ?10:03
bluelightninglinu: check modemmanager or some other process is not using the port (lsof /dev/ttyACM0 should tell you)10:05
OlivierGbluelightning: :)... i m using a kernel 3.10...but i need to integrate some external/backported drivers (iwlwifi) from a different directory ...10:06
bluelightningOlivierG: well, it depends on what you mean by "integrate"... you should be able to build out-of-tree modules fairly easily using a separate recipe if that's what you're after10:07
linubluelightning, please see
bluelightninglinu: er, so you have another minicom session? or this is the one you just started?10:08
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OlivierG bluelightning: there's no "official" way to integrate drivers from ... i ll do my recipe ;)10:09
linubluelightning, actually i opened one session but i closed that now i have only one session,please see dmesg
bluelightningOlivierG: so what are these backports? patches on top of old kernels?10:11
bluelightningOlivierG: I've never heard of this particular project but then I'm no kernel expert10:11
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bluelightninglinu: no idea, sorry10:12
linubluelightning, it is ok thanks10:13
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OlivierGbluelightning: i thought it was something done is the past.... never mind...i will dig in recipes ... anyway, thanks !10:16
ndecOlivierG: hmm. i never heard about that too. that sounds interesting.10:18
ndecOlivierG: what does it build eventually? a new kernel image? or .ko files?10:18
OlivierGbluelightning: For me, i would like to build new .ko , as i want "bug-less" wifi driver10:20
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ndecwell, i am familiar with compat-wireless, this thing seems to be an extension of that project.10:21
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OlivierGndec: you are right... i want to use the tree "as-is" i need to DL the whole file, unpack it, do a "menuconfig", build the whole tree and copy the .ko to my "official" kernel working dir...10:28
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bluelightningOlivierG: does it have to go to the kernel working dir or can it be packaged separately? see meta-skeleton/recipes-kernel/hello-mod/ for an example10:31
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ndecbluelightning: the instructions seem to say that you need to 'point' to the kernel dir, but not be inside it. like kernel modules.10:32
ndecbut module.bbclass wouldn't be enough, since this backport stuff needs to run some menuconfig things, unlike modules10:33
OlivierGIt is very similar to a kernel build process...10:34
bluelightninghmm, I see10:35
bluelightningyou'd need to do that in the context of the kernel recipe then; the kernel sources (other than the headers) won't be available outside of there10:35
ndechmm, i thought we had all sources in STAGING for the kernel.10:36
ndecbluelightning: we do keep a copy of all kernel sources: no?10:38
bluelightningndec: hmm, I stand corrected10:39
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OlivierGndec: did you look at ? ... it is quite old ...11:05
ndecno. when i had used compat-wireless it was not with OE.11:06
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Denwid-c devshell opens a shell window for me but i get no cursor, can not type anything, i can only press enter and a new line appears. any pointers on how to fix this?12:59
bluelightningDenwid: which host distro are you using and which terminal is being launched?13:00
Denwidbluelightning: Using debian 7 and with kde but gnome shell is being launched13:01
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DenwidI did try to set TERMCMD='konsole -T' in local.conf but it's still opening gnome-shell13:02
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bluelightningDenwid: unfortunately konsole won't work, see bug 493413:47
yoctiBug enhancement, Low, Future, paul.eggleton, NEW , Make konsole work with KDE 4 for OE_TERMINAL13:48
bluelightningDenwid: I'm also a KDE user, FWIW13:48
bluelightningI use OE_TERMINAL = "screen" here13:48
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Xzhi there, I have defined IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE in my image recipe14:25
Xznow I'd like to override it from conf/local.conf14:25
Xzis it just about assigning this variable second time in local.conf?14:25
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bluelightningXz: if the image recipe sets it with = you can't use = to set it from local.conf, because the image recipe is parsed last14:34
bluelightningXz: either the image recipe should set it with ?= or you'll have to use hacks such as using an override in the local.conf setting (e.g. IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE_forcevariable = "123456")14:35
bluelightningbut note of course that setting IMAGE_ROOTFS_SIZE from local.conf will apply to *all* images you build, not necessarily just the one you want14:37
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Xzbluelightning: ok, got it, thanks15:02
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vicenteolivertHello, good afternoon.15:28
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vicenteolivertkergoth: have you tried the sourcery toolchain?15:30
kergothyeah, but I didn't hit your failure :\15:33
kergothused poky master and meta-sourcery master, with a freshly unpacked tarball of the toolchain you linked15:33
kergothi hit a compile error in libffi, which we have a patch for lurking in meta-mentor15:33
RPkergoth: that git relocation fix looks nice, thanks ;)15:33
vicenteolivertkergoth: :-(15:34
kergothToo bad more upstream projects don't care about such things15:34
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vicenteolivertkergoth: anyway, now I'm trying to make an image for a mips32 little endian, using the yocto toolchain, and I have the same problem as I had few days before. When it tries to build the kernel, it fails due to "ERROR: QA Issue: Endiannes did not match". I really don't need the kernel, I just want the rootfs. So..., how can I disable the kernel?15:37
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kergothvicenteolivert: images often include kenrel modules, etc, so it's usually not as simple as just "disabling" the kernel15:47
vicenteolivertI don't need kernel modules either.15:47
kergothbut that doesn't mean there aren't things that depend on or recommend the kernel module packages15:47
vicenteolivertkergoth: but the kernel fails to build and stops the process, so my rootfs is built either.15:47
vicenteolivert*is not built either15:48
kergothI understand that, I'm just pointing out that the kernel isn't pulled into the build by just one thing in just one place15:48
vicenteolivertI'll try to find which things need kernel modules and try to remove from my target.15:49
kergothif nothing tries to pull it into the image, you could try to hack it out with ASSUME_PROVIDED, or it's possible you might be able to use the dummy kernel recipe, but i've never tried either, unfortunately. lperhaps someone else in here will know offhand15:49
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vicenteolivertkergoth: uhm..., that sounds good.15:52
vicenteolivertkergoth: how can I do it with ASSUME_PROVIDED? Just add ASSUME_PROVIDED = ""15:53
kergothASSUME_PROVIDED += "virtual/kernel" would tell bitbake it's already there, so don't try to build it, but if anything tries to pull anything from that build in, things will understandably explode. another option would be to try PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-dummy"15:54
vicenteolivertOk, let's try it! :-D15:54
vicenteolivertThanks kergoth .15:54
bluelightningmorning kergoth15:56
vicenteolivertkergoth: Ok, I think oprofile recipe is the one who is pulling in the kernel.15:56
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vicenteolivertHello bluelightning, how are you? :-)15:56
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bluelightninghi vicenteolivert15:58
bluelightningvicenteolivert: great thanks, and you?15:58
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vicenteolivertbluelightning: I'm fine too, trying to get Yocto working :-P15:59
fraySong_Liu: just noticed the 'release date' at the top (section 2) is wrong16:06
frayeverything else looks fine16:06
vicenteolivertI can use IMAGE_INSTALL += "package_name" to install a package in my target, but..., how can I avoid the installation of a package? IMAGE_INSTALL -= "pacakge_name" doesn't work.16:06
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frayvicenteolivert as long as you are using 'dora' or master.. PACKAGE_EXCLUDE = "package_name"16:07
frayNOTE, if something else in the system requires that package, you -will- get an image failure..16:07
vicenteolivertAhhh, PACKAGE_EXCLUDE.16:07
frayso you will end up having to add more and more stuff to the exclusion list until you get what you want16:07
vicenteolivertSometimes is difficult to remember all the things you have read in the manual. Is very big.16:07
vicenteolivertfray: ok, thank you!16:07
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frayno problem16:09
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vicenteolivertNo luck, unfortunately. Do you know how to get rid of this error?
sgw_vicenteolivert: do you have PREFERRED_PROVIDER set?16:28
vicenteolivertsgw_: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-dummy"16:28
vicenteolivertI don't want to compile the kernel, only the rootfs.16:28
vicenteolivertBecause the kernel compilation fails.16:28
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sgw_hmm, can you verify that with the bitbake -e <your target> | grep "^PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel"16:29
vicenteolivertsgw_: empty output.16:30
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sgw_vicenteolivert: because it's erroring out not a warning, sorry yeah it would be empty., where are you setting that?16:32
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vicenteolivertsgw_: in the config/local.conf file.16:33
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vicenteolivertAnd I'll compile my own kernel from another sources, so, I don't care about the yocto kernel. That's why I was trying to get rid of it.16:46
vicenteolivertsgw_: is putting DEFAULTTUNE = "mips32el" in local.conf the right way to choose the target architecture?16:48
sgw_vicenteolivert: I understand what you are trying to do, I am trying to reproduce your failure to try and help, but I can't seem to reproduce the failure16:48
vicenteolivertsgw_: you need to wait until linux-yocto is being compiled.16:48
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vicenteolivertCan happen at task >1000 of ~3000,16:49
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vicenteolivertsgw_: how have you created the bsp?16:51
vicenteolivertyocto-bsp create <name> mips16:52
sgw_vicenteolivert: yes I think setting DEFAULTTUNE is correct, i have not used that tool16:53
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sgw_vicenteolivert: I would expect the error you posted right away during recipe parsing, which is why you are not getting any output from bitbake -e16:54
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vicenteolivertsgw_: yes, that error appeas at the beginning, but the compilation starts anyway.16:55
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sgw_vicenteolivert: I know about that error, but I am not able to reproduce it so there might be something else wrong in your env17:06
sgw_vicenteolivert: are you using a bsp generated by the create-bsp script?17:06
vicenteolivertyocto-bsp create <name> mips17:07
vicenteolivertI use that.17:07
tomz1vicenteolivert: hi, re yocto-bsp, when run it, it gives you the option to use a custom kernel, is that what you chose?17:09
vicenteoliverttomz1: no, I choose the option #6, I don't remember the name, but it's something about tiny.17:10
vicenteoliverttomz1: I would like that yocto-bsp give me the option "no kernel, only rootfs" xD17:11
tomz1vicenteolivert: sounds like you wanted a non-yocto kernel, which would be custom (#8)17:12
vicenteoliverttomz1: no, I don't want any kernel at all.17:12
vicenteolivertAnd no modules.17:12
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vicenteolivertJust the rootfs.17:12
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vicenteoliverttomz1: if I choose a custom kernel, I think it will fail again because the problem is it can't be build on little endian, I don't know why.17:13
vicenteolivertWith big endian builds perfectly.17:13
tomz1vicenteolivert: hmm, no kernel, yocto-bsp doesn't have that option  - dunno what you'd need to tweak off the top of my head, but i think i've seen someone trying to do that on the list, maybe check there, or maybe someone else would know that17:14
vicenteoliverttomz1: I'm new to Yocto. Is there another way to generate my rootfs without using yocto-bsp>17:14
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tomz1yocto-bsp just creates a layer for you, nothing special about it - sounds like you need to tweak an image recipe to get rid of the dependency on the kernel17:16
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tomz1vicenteolivert: maybe try to create an image that doesn't include 'DEPENDS = "virtual/kernel"17:18
vicenteoliverttomz1: well..., I tried core-image-minimal, and I had luck because the kernel is built at the end, in the last task, so the rootfs is already created. It fails anyway, but I get my rootfs :-)17:19
vicenteolivertBut now I can't use that trick.17:19
sgw_vicenteolivert: I noticed you set MACHINE=qemumips, do you override that to your bsp?  Did you include your bsp layer in bblayers?17:21
tomz1vicenteolivert: i guess something pulled in by core-image minimal is pulling it in via its dependendencies, you'd have track that down17:21
vicenteolivertsgw_: I haven't touched the file.17:22
vicenteolivertbblayers.conf, sorry.17:22
sgw_vicenteolivert: Ok then you are not really using what was created by yocto-bsp then, red-herring sorry to bother you tomz1, thought it might have been some config you had created.17:23
vicenteolivertsgw_: now I have added my layer before the meta layer in bblayers.conf17:24
sgw_vicenteolivert: wait! I want to stay with known issues rather than adding new issues.17:25
* kergoth chuckles17:25
vicenteolivertOoops. Ok sgw_ .17:25
sgw_kergoth: thanks for the encouragement!17:25
vicenteolivertOk, I have removed everything. I'm going to start from the beginning.17:26
vicenteolivertI have the feeling that something is not clean...17:26
kergothRP: Any objection to adding a backfill for PACKAGECONFIG?17:26
sgw_that's my guess also, if you do a git status in your clone any change?17:26
kergothRP: I was wanting to add a packageconfig for systemd to allow disabling of sysvinit compat mode, but don't want to screw up folks with existing PACKAGECONFIG_pn-systemd values17:27
kergothRP: which is a perfect case where a backfill would be ideal17:27
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vicenteolivertpoky $ git status # On branch master nothing to commit, working directory clean17:27
vicenteolivertsgw_: nothing.17:28
RPkergoth: I just worry about the extra code. The metadata is getting ever more complex and this just continues that trend :/17:28
RPkergoth: In some ways I'd prefer a layer version number and migration code17:28
kergothwell, implementation wise it's just a single function call, but it will add yet another variable for recipes that use it, sure17:29
RPkergoth: people also got confused about the distro backfill mechanism17:29
sgw_vicenteolivert: Ok, so nothing there, you local.conf file is pretty generic, try removing that ASSUMED_PROVIDED line, it does not really make sense as it stands.17:29
sgw_vicenteolivert: then run a bitbake -e and see what we get17:30
kergothwhile we do have layer version numbers, we don't really have a way to say this layer version is incompatible with anyone that depended on the previous version17:30
kergothafaik anyway17:30
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RPkergoth: no :/17:32
vicenteolivertsgw_: I remove the ASSUMED_PROVIDED but I leave the PREFERRED_PROVIDER?17:32
bluelightningwe sort of do, layers can specify a dependency on a specific version17:33
sgw_vicenteolivert: yes17:33
bluelightningbut the layer version stuff has been co-opted for AB-breaking changes which is not the same as some of the other changes we're wanting to capture17:33
vicenteolivertsgw_: and run "bitbake -e", without the core-image-basic?17:33
bluelightningand, nobody uses the versioned dependencies it anyway (AFAIK)17:33
sgw_vicenteolivert: sorry bitbake -e core-image-basic17:34
vicenteolivertOk, doing it right now.17:34
vicenteolivertsgw_: I obtain an output of 19203 lines.17:36
sgw_vicenteolivert: yes it's kind of verbose, but very help debugging into, do you did not get the ERROR this time?17:36
vicenteolivertsgw_: yes, I don't have the error because we have removed the PREFERRED_PROVIDER.17:37
vicenteolivertNow I only have a note: NOTE: consider defining a PREFERRED_PROVIDER entry to match kernel-base17:37
sgw_vicenteolivert: I thought you left PREFERRED_PROVIDER, not remove it.17:38
vicenteolivertsgw_: yes, I don't have the error because we have removed the ASSUMED_PROVIDED.17:39
sgw_Yup, that was it.17:39
vicenteolivertsgw_: but I think I will have the same problem. If linux-yocto is pulled in, it will fail to compile, and I will not obtain my rootfs.17:40
vicenteolivertThe next step is "bitbake core-image-base", or do you want to try something first, sgw_?17:41
sgw_vicenteolivert: if PERFERRED_PROVIDER is set to linux-dummy then I think it will continue (I have not built with linux-dummy), your correct, try that build.17:42
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sgw_vicenteolivert: only step is to confirm that PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel is set to linux-dummy from the output of the -e command17:44
vicenteolivertInside build/meta-urboard/conf/machine I have a file called urboard.conf (urboard is the name I have used to create the BSP with "yocto-bsp create"). In that file there is all the kernel related things.17:44
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vicenteolivert $ grep PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel output  # $PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel [2 operations] PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel="linux-dummy"17:46
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vicenteolivertOk, I'm running "bitbake core-image-base" now. I hopw it works... I'll check it on monday because it's late and I have to go home.17:48
vicenteolivertsgw_, kergoth, tomz1: thanks for you patience, time and help.17:49
vicenteolivertSee you on monday. Have a nice weekend. Bye!17:49
sgw_vicenteolivert: have a good weekend17:49
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WarheadsSEHello. Anyone familiar with the qt bb recipes and why they apprently fail to build WebKit without the HOST system having them installed?18:28
bluelightningWarheadsSE: qt4 or qt5?18:31
WarheadsSEI'll be messing with qt5 soon enough to handle the native-sdk generation, but right now qt418:32
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WarheadsSEbluelightning: any reason in particular for that ?18:56
bluelightningWarheadsSE: that's not expected, it sounds like a bug18:56
bluelightningWarheadsSE: when you say "them installed" by them do you mean webkit itself?18:57
WarheadsSEYeah, seems if QtWebKit headers are installed on the host, it will generate in bitbake18:58
WarheadsSEif NOT, then it will not exist.18:58
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bluelightningWarheadsSE: hmm OK, I will try to reproduce next week... in the mean time if you could file a bug in our bugzilla that would be very much appreciated19:09
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kergothlibffi is in recipes-gnome?22:03
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mranostayhi kergoth22:11
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mr_scienceso i rebuilt fresh with java,fortran last night, so it should be possible to build a fortran package22:32
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mr_scienceLetoThe2nd: let me know if you got any farther22:34
mr_scienceespecially if you have a working recipe of something R-related...22:35
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SmittyI've been re-reading the Yocto docks, especially the quick start guide; and, it suddenly dawned upon me that most of that guide is totally redundant, and in fact flies in the face of what Yocto is all about.23:09
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SmittyI take for example the instruction to download various utilities including awk make wget tar bzip2 gzip python unzip perl patch \      diffutils diffstat git cpp gcc gcc-c++ glibc-devel texinfo chrpath \      ccache perl-Data-Dumper perl-Text-ParseWords SDL-devel xterm23:10
SmittyWhy isn't there a Yocto recipe to do all that ?23:10
SmittyI guess I would require, as a prerequisite, wget.  After that, all the other dependencies could be satisfied by Yocto itself.   Or perhaps, I'm missing something23:11
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SmittyWhen I encounter these issues, it make me really question the calibre of the people writing the docs, and contributing to Yocto.    Please tell me I'm wrong.  I'd like to believe that Yocto can help me with my project.  But as it is, what I see is a bunch of muddled thought, solving a problem that only exisits because other people like the Yocto contribs can't think clearly.23:15
kergothyocto doesn't know how to interface with your build machine's toolchain23:15
kergothalso, how would it build gcc without gcc?23:15
kergotha c ertain amount is necessary to bootstrap regardless23:15
kergother, your build machin'e spackage manager, i meant23:15
kergothso yes, you're missing something :)23:15
SmittySure.  So, that should be resolved by Yocto - at least for standard distros23:16
kergothI don't think insulting the hundreds and more folks working on the project is a way to move forward or address your misunderstandings23:16
SmittyI'm not insulting anyone23:16
SmittyI'm trying to force clarity23:17
SmittyWhat is Yocto doing if it's not doing almost everything for me23:17
kergothMost software has dependencies, and most software requires you to install those dependencies, unless they provide packages for your distro. yocto is no exception to that. and if you think there's no problem solved by yocto, you must be extremely new to embedded systems23:18
SmittyWhatever dependencies Yocto has should be resolved by Yocto23:19
SmittyOther than an absolute minimum23:19
SmittyLike wget23:19
Smittyand perhaps make23:19
Smittyeven that is questionable23:19
kergothfurther, considering there are plenty of other projects competing with bitbake/oe/yocto that do similar things, all to try to resolve similar problems, it's pretty ridiculous to claim there's no problem they solve23:20
* kergoth /ignores and moves on with real work23:20
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SmittyI'm just trying to understand the whole picture.  What we seem t have is a half baked system.  BUT a really necessary system.  I just want to understand it completely.  And during my learning process, if I find something that seems wrong, I shouldn't be afraid to ask, at least.  If you can't provide an answer, I gues sit means either the question is invalid, or there is no good answer.  WHich one do you whish to admit to ?23:24
Crofton|worksmartin, you are getting off to a really bad start in here23:25
Crofton|workI meant Smitty23:26
SmittyI'm asking difficult questions perhaps23:28
SmittyI've aready tried Yocto,  following the Quick Start Guide, and it failed to build a component, even though I am definitely running on a  "Supported Linux Distributions"23:30
SmittySO excuse me for being skeptical.23:30
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SmittyI actually want it to work.  I have a real need for such a tool.  But having stumbled across Yocto, which claims to do thing that I have yet to see it do, I am, trying to figure out where my thinking is wrong, or perhaps, where the Yocto key contributors thinking is wrong.23:33
RPSmitty: Its a tricky problem to solve. Ok, you download some tarball with wget, ok you unpack it with tar, can you autoreconf it? no. ok, lets assume it doesn't need autoreconfing (many do due to bugs). You need to compile it. That needs make and gcc.  Now we do build many native utilities ourselves but we do need something to bootstrap them23:34
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RPSmitty: that list in the quick start is an all inclusive list. There are some which can be considered fairly optional. If you skip gcc-multilib for example, grub-native won't build23:35
RPSmitty: Its a list of things we can find on most desktop systems and assume to be sane23:35
RPSmitty: equally we build a buildtools tarball you can install on a system and have it provide many of the more problematic tools we need23:36
RPSmitty: "problematic" tools funnily enough include tar23:36
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SmittyExcelllent.  Now we're getting to the root of my question (possibly).       And I don't mean to be so pedantic, but as programmers, we're all pedantic.23:37
SmittyYes, excellent point.23:37
RPSmitty: I'm curious what failed to build for you?23:38
SmittySo, there is a small subset of tools needed for Yocto to be able to reasonably  be expected to run23:38
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SmittyI'm just re-running (for the third time) a totally clean build based upon the Quick Start guide.23:39
RPSmitty: we could try and bootstrap everything but at some point the build time becomes annoying and a bit pointless so we try and have a happy medium. The system can be tuned in either direction23:39
RPheck, we do move up and down that scale depending on which tools appear stable and which ones users report problems with23:40
SmittyI failed previousy on something to do with qemu23:40
RPSmitty: qemu-native?23:40
SmittyI was perhaps confused by the documentation, and after a IRC chat on this channel with kergoth (super helpful, BTW) I understood better what was going on23:41
RPSmitty: I have to admit that qemu-native is one of the only "floating" configuration packages we have since some people want graphics and some people don't so we let it autodetect23:41
RPThere are changes in master recently to reduce the amount of floating23:41
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RPSmitty: If it helps clarify, we never assume anything for the target is already provided, we always build all the target components (unless you configure it differently)23:44
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SmittyI am now at task (191 of 5341): which eems to have been running for about 5 minutes23:46
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SmittyStrange that my intel i5 would struggle so much for this23:46
RPSmitty: well, suggestions on how we speed up the system to perform better would be more than welcome23:48
SmittyNot my point at all.23:48
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RPSmitty: which task is it on?23:50
SmittyAnyway.   As I said, I'm working my way through the QUick Start guid for the 3 (or 4th) time, and have yet to get a completed build.  You'll have to forgive my skepticisim23:50
Smittyso, it is doing something23:51
RPSmitty: well, did you change anything between these runs?23:51
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SmittyYes.  The only thing I didn't do this time was to change anything23:51
SmittySo, whatever is the default config for the downloaded recipe, I'm doing it23:52
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RPSmitty: FWIW the system is pretty reproducible so if it failed last time and you didn't change anything I'm not optimistic it will do something different this time23:52
RPSmitty: If you shared how it failed, maybe someone could give better pointers to what might be wrong23:53
SmittyLast time I targetted x66, because I I couldn't understand what it meant to target a qemux8623:54
Smittynow I am simply letting the default (downloaded) config target whatever is already configured23:55
RPSmitty: I can see how that would break. I will pass that comment back to your tech writer23:55
SmittyHuh ?23:56
SmittyWhy would targetting x86 fail ?23:56
RPSmitty: It means to set MACHINE to some value and only a certain set of values work for that option23:57
SmittyI am afraid you've lost me with that explanation23:57
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RPSmitty: how did you target x86?23:58
SmittyBy default, the target architecture for the build is qemux86, which produces an image that can be used in the QEMU emulator and is targeted at an IntelĀ® 32-bit based architecture. To change this default, edit the value of the MACHINE variable in the configuration file before launching the build.23:59
SmittyI read that and thought, WTF23:59

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