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bluelightningmorning all09:49
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lpappRP: what is up with the git am patch ?10:17
lpappgo / no go?10:17
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Xzguys, I use git send-email to submit patches. They are always submitted to master - that's my understanding at least. How do I submit a patch for branch? Is it just about checking out a branch and then using git send-email like previously?14:33
Xzman git-send-email doesn't mention branches at all14:34
lpappXz: ?14:34
lpappXz: it is branch-agnostic how you supply it.14:34
lpappsubmit*14:34
Xzlpapp: so assuming I want to send a patch to poky/dylan I just checkout openembedded-core/dylan, prepare a patch and git send-email?14:35
JaMaXz: just add e.g. [dora] to subject14:35
JaMaand better to explicitly Cc maintainer of given release14:35
XzJaMa: so that's the trick... it means I can in theory send a patch from master repo to dylan branch, can I?14:35
lpappXz: you should not.14:36
JaMain theory yes, but don't do that, prepare the patch in right branch and test it there before sending it14:36
lpappXz: you should test a change against the branch before submitting.14:36
Xzlpapp: yes, of course, just trying to understand correctly how it works14:36
lpappno "Signed-off: Trust me" :-)14:36
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JaMaXz: also each patch for release branch needs to be first merged in master14:37
Xzlpapp: JaMa that's actually a weak point of git14:37
lpappXz: --subject-prefix="dora"14:37
lpappXz: no, it is a strong point14:38
lpappyou can cherry pick easily between branches. :)14:38
Xzlpapp: well, you can submit patch to wrong branch easily14:38
Xzlpapp: assuming you used git send-email command line from bash history for example14:38
lpappyou do not submit a patch against branches14:38
lpappyou only use a prefix.14:38
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Xzlpapp: how don't you submit a patch against a branch? I think you do14:39
lpappwell, it is very simple:14:39
JaMa--subject-prefix=oe-core][dora][PATCH (i.e. don't remove PATCH from subject14:39
lpapp1) You are in your branch14:39
Xzlpapp: well, at least you prepare a patch against given branch14:39
lpapp2) You modify14:40
lpapp3) You test14:40
lpapp4) You commit14:40
JaMaXz: you can also use create-pull-request/send-pull-requests scripts from oe-core14:40
lpapp5) Generate the change or just send.14:40
JaMaXz: those will force you to specify branch14:40
lpappwhat is so difficult?14:40
Xzlpapp: if you switch between branches often I just believe you might commit a mistake on day by using 'git send-email' with wrong --subject-prefix14:41
Xzlpapp: and by mistake send a patch to wrong branch14:41
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lpappXz: why would you switch between branches often?14:41
lpappand why would you not catch that when sending a test to your address first?14:41
lpappor even before actually sending?14:41
lpappI always review my own change before submitting, of course.14:42
lpappbut I still do not buy the "change branches often" argument. :) That is not a typical activity IMHO.14:42
lpappand when you finish the work, you are in the right branch anyway, you will not change a branch between getting the work done and submitting.14:42
ytidhello14:43
ytidERROR: QA Issue: ettercap: /work/armv7a-vfp-neon-poky-linux-gnueabi/ettercap/0.8.0-r0/packages-split/ettercap/usr/bin/ettercap contains probably-redundant RPATH /usr/lib14:43
Xzlpapp: well, I have right now a layer written for dylan. In order to bump it to dora my development will include switching branches14:43
ytidhow do i fix that ?14:43
Xzlpapp: + if you submit something for master - why wouldn't you switch back and send it to dylan as well?14:44
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lpappI do not understand14:44
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lpappyou develop something, you test it, and you are done after the bufixes14:44
lpappbugfixes14:44
lpappyou _are_ in the right branch afterwards14:44
gjohnsongagi: I tried out your qt5 branch and it worked great.  Do you know what changes of yours are going to be merged into mainline?  For starters it would be nice to move the mkspecs into the dev package.14:45
Xzlpapp: I just like the idea of git saying me 'hi, you are trying to submit a patch prepared on master branch to different branch'14:45
lpappthen you submit, change branch, then you finish the development in the other branch, you test, you bugfix, you submit.14:45
lpappin fact, if I were you I would forget about branches14:45
lpappit is somewhat red herring.14:45
lpappyou always finish the work in the right branch14:45
lpappwhat you need to be concerned about is the release IMHO14:46
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ndecXz: also, i would not recommend switch branches for an OE layer in the same <build> environment. going back and forth between 2 OE branches/releases will mess up your <build>14:47
ndecregarding the version of packages, at the very least.14:47
Xzndec: that's not a big problem, I usually wipe out everything and have it built in a bit more than 30min - coffee break14:48
lpappbut you have just said you would do it frequently.14:48
ndecok..14:48
lpappyou like the coffee break for 30+ minutes frequently? I cannot follow I am afraid. :)14:48
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ndeccoffee lover ;-)14:49
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Xzlpapp: ndec: :) it's just I'm pretty new to submitting patches to Yocto and there are plenty of little things to remember14:49
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Xzlpapp: ndec: this is just another one and there is no auto mechanism to correct me or at least tell that I do something wrong14:50
lpappXz: first thing to remember, do not change branches frequently.14:50
ndeci agree. generally you will find 'how to submit patch' info in each README file in each layer.14:50
Xzlpapp: ok then, so what would you recommend me to do if I have a layer and a board working on dylan?14:50
Xzlpapp: submit patches only to dylan? you just said, that patch must be first applied on master14:50
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lpappautomated mechanism for what?14:50
lpappgit branch getting automatically into the prefix?14:51
lpappwould not be hard to write a script for that if it was a big issue.14:51
Xzlpapp: someone mentioned that pull-request does that thing (does not let apply patch on wrong branch)14:51
lpappbut since you do not change branches frequently, it would not automate that much.14:51
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Xzlpapp: I have dylan setup - I can test my stuff on dylan. Should I then just submit patches to dylan and not give a shit about master?14:52
ndecXz: as mentioned before patches must be backported to stable release, so master first.14:53
lpapp(if applicable)14:53
ndecyou do need ability to switch branches, for sure. not sure why lpapp insists so hard on that. just be cautious about commit and git send email, and everything will be ok.14:53
lpappndec: changing branch once during _developments_ is not frequent14:54
lpappit is not like you do that frequently, especially as a newcomer.14:54
lpappnot sure why you insist so hard on that. :)14:54
lpappand even if you switch branches, you would need to test the change in the other branch anyway.14:54
lpappso I cannot buy the argument of branch confusion I am afraid.14:54
ndeclpapp: well, you went as far as saying that he should forget about branches... using git without branches is quite a sad thing..14:54
lpappndec: for the _submitting_14:55
lpappndec: do not put words into my mouth. :)14:55
lpappI actually even said you change branches between _developments_ (not submittings)14:55
ndecanyways, i think we agree more or less, no need to waste too much energy. let's keep our energy for when we disagree ;-)14:55
gagigjohnson: nice to hear, at the moment none of them, last time i tried to merge my changes into mainline they got rejected because denis didn't see a need to patch the mkspecs folder and he said he will come up with it's own version soon14:55
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lpappI really cannot get why one would change branches frequently and how that would cause any confusion.14:56
lpappthe only thing that could be improved - as I mentioned - writing a short script to get the git branch output and put that into the prefix, but since it is not frequent, I am not sure it is worth the effort.14:56
ndecthat's what scripts/create-pull-request is for.14:57
Xzis the --subject-prefix used by everybody on the world to specify branch name? or that's just Yocto?14:57
ndeceach community/project makes up its own rules.14:57
ndecsome use different mailing list for each release, some use 1 mailing list and rely on prefix (like OE)14:58
lpappXz: well, normally, you do not need to, like in the linux kernel.14:58
lpappIMHO, it is a complication, but for branches it may be useful, yes...14:58
lpappndec: different mailing list for each release, really?14:59
lpappcan you provide some projects like that14:59
rburtonlpapp: do you know the magic to get the "parent" ref for a feature branch then?  i've been trying to work that out for a while.14:59
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rburtonie what branch on origin is this local branch an ancestor of15:00
lpapprburton: no idea... it was not possible a few years ago.15:01
lpapphave not checked this feature for years cause I have not needed it, I am afraid.15:01
rburtonso putting the "branch name" automatically into the subject isn't a good idea then15:01
lpappit may be that there already are contrib scripts for it.15:01
lpapprburton: why?15:01
gjohnsongagi: I hope the plans denis has work as well as yours.  I liked not having to modify the environment to setup qt creator.15:02
rburtonlpapp: because why would putting the name of my feature branch in the subject be useful?15:02
ndeclpapp: linux stable mailing list, maybe?15:02
lpappndec: that is far from "each release". :)15:02
lpapprburton: well, it works fine if you just work into the release branch directly.15:02
Xzrburton: that's good question :)15:03
lpapp(like many had done, including me)15:03
rburtonlpapp: i'd expect the majority of people doing heavy development work in feature branches15:04
rburtonXz: git *can* do it, i just haven't figured out the right incantation yet :/15:04
lpapprburton: I do not think so....15:05
lpapppeople usually send minor patches as far as I can see...15:05
lpappand as for that, a separate feature branch might be an overkill.15:05
lpappbut iirc lately git enforces it anyway, so it is kinda moot.15:05
rburtonhttp://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/refs/heads indicates that feature branches are popular.  anyway, for backports explicitly putting the release name isn't a massive hardship.15:06
lpapprburton: I developer major features into the linux kernel in the stable branch15:06
lpappfrom where I also submit.15:06
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lpappdevelop*15:06
lpappwell, of course, git enforces the feature branch these days, but for me, there is no real difference.15:07
lpappit would make a different if many did the same, but that is not the case here.15:07
lpappand since git is distributed, I do not even need to push after each atomic change.15:08
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lpappanyway, we are getting off-topic IMHO towards git. :)15:08
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Xzlpapp: so getting back to my question - I have layer dylan-based and board to test my changes. What do I do?15:12
Xzlpapp: :)15:12
Xzlpapp: there are quite few recipes that didn't change at all since dylan, so testing them on dylan and submitting a patch to master sounds reasonably, does that?15:13
Xzlpapp: I'm talking about easy things, like missing obvious DEPENDS15:14
lpappno, it is reasonable if you ask me.15:15
lpappit is not*15:15
lpappI would like to see my change not breaking anything before submitting.15:15
lpappotherwise I risk wasting others time.15:16
Xzlpapp: changing DEPENDS variable can possibly break build15:16
lpappothers'*15:16
Xzlpapp: so does not have to be tested on board15:16
lpappin _your_ opinion.15:16
lpappnot in the reality. :)15:16
lpappbut I am not any maintainer here, so I do not draw rules either way.15:17
lpappyou were asking my opinion, and I replied. :)15:17
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Xzlpapp: well, that's my problem, trying to find out some proper way15:18
Xzlpapp: and I cannot upgrade my layer right now15:18
Xzlpapp: and I have few patches15:18
lpappyou always _can_. :)15:18
Xzlpapp: c'mon, you are not helping15:19
Xzlpapp: maybe taking a dylan patch, applying on master, testing in QEMU, submitting to master would do?15:19
Xzlpapp: that would be some solution I guess15:20
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bluelightningXz: sounds reasonable to me15:27
lpappXz: depends, I dislike qemu because it is slow.15:28
lpappbut if you are fine with that, and that you are not testing the real environment, I guess that is ok.15:28
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Xzlpapp: I can choice only between available options. Having master branch running board is not an option at this particular moment.15:31
lpappwhy not ?15:32
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Xzlpapp: because I have layer based on dylan. Bumping to master is some task with lower priority than other my tasks - now we do release, it's pretty hot time in team15:35
lpappXz: so why is it urgent to upstream it before the release then?15:36
lpapprather than focusing on the release?15:36
Xzlpapp: well, I play in my free time with the board, so I could possibly give some of that 'free' work to Yocto team, right?15:37
Xzlpapp: I do build some stuff for that dylan board so I have patches15:37
Xzlpapp: it would be waste not to do anything with them15:37
lpappthen why not get the board things done in the free time, too? :)15:39
lpappwell, anyway, it is not my desk...15:39
XzI feel like everything I do seems weird for you guys15:40
lpapp:)15:41
lpappnah, contribution is welcome... but I am afraid of submitting changes thay may break...15:41
lpappif you are not, and the maintainers are fine with that, you can disregard my point of view.15:41
* Xz disregarding15:42
Xz:)15:42
lpappbut qemu is very slow; be prepared.15:43
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Xzlpapp: are you using hardware acceleration?15:43
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WarheadsSEwhat are you using qemu for in the first place/15:54
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sgw_The Yocto Project Tech Meeting Con-Call will be starting at the top of the hour15:58
sgw_Dial-in number: 1.972.995.7777 / Participant passcode:   4200107815:58
sgw_This call is open to all and the channel remains open to discuss any topic15:58
sgw_YPTM: Saul is on15:59
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scottrifYPTM: Scott Rifenbark is on the call15:59
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IonutCYPTM: IonutC is on15:59
BSDCatYPTM: Matthew is on the call15:59
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jmdelos_YPTM: polk is on16:01
halsteadYPTM: Michael here.16:01
Song_LiuYPTM: welcome to the technical team meeting. Please let me know who's on the bridge.16:01
tomzYPTM: Tom Z here16:01
frayYPTM: will join in a couple of minutes..16:01
RPYPTM: Richard is on the call16:02
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jzhang-laptopYPTM: jzhang on the call16:03
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davestdavest on the call16:03
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pidge-mobileYPTM: beth is on.16:03
bluelightningYPTM: Paul Eggleton is on16:03
frayhere now16:04
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frayYPTM: here now16:05
Song_LiuYPTM: any opens?16:05
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rburtonYPTM: is the call still on?  i'm  good for swat duty this week.16:22
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frayJUST ended16:22
Song_LiuYPTM: thank you all for joining the meeting. Have a nice day/evening16:22
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Song_Liurburton: good. thank you. That saves me another email :)16:22
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kergothrburton: git merge-base may be what you want, re: what branch did this branch come from. you can't find its real origin, but you can at least identify the commit which is the common root of both your branch and another branch, and see which branches contain that commit. if you really want to track what branch a branch came from, e.g. to automate update merges into it or rebases from it, or want to chain feature branches into one another, then i'd16:24
kergoth suggest using a tool built on top of git for such a purpose, like topgit16:24
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kergothit stores additional metadata on the branch to let you update a branch by flowing merges down into them, e.g. branch a -> branch b -> branch c, update of branch c will merge a into b, then b into c16:25
kergoththere are other tools for similar purposes, but honestly its more overhead than most care about :)16:25
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rburtonkergoth: oh that could be useful, i do tend to chain feature branches16:26
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kergothrburton: some folks had considered its use for maintaining long term distro branches and the like in an upstream source repo, for managing distro packaging inside the source repository rather than out of band16:28
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kergothbut tg has its own downsides, and i think folks like debian went with alternative quilt-based approaches instead16:28
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kergothhttp://www.koch.ro/blog/index.php?/categories/21-vcs-pkg mentions some of that, if you're curious16:29
kergothi always liked the idea of putting oe metadata inside source trees, but our tools aren't written around that :)16:29
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kergothof course, if you don't mind adopting a very specific workflow, there are always tools like git-flow, but i think that assumes that all feature branches come off of a specific branch, so isn't as flexible as something like topgit16:30
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kergoththe real value in something like topgit was the ability to export a branch as a patch, or a set of feature branches as a linear patch series, for package management, but it doesn't have to be used for that :)16:32
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* kergoth finds this sort of workflow stuff interesting16:32
d_s_ehi, after updating my sources (I'm on dora), my image won't build anymore. the recipe which causes the problem seems to be emu_1.5.0.bb. Any hints what could I do (I don't need qemu...) ?16:32
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d_s_eqemu_1.5.0.bb16:32
kergothyou'd need to provide a heck of a lot more information than that16:33
kergothsaying something fails to build doesn't really tell us anything16:33
kergothyou'll need to post the actual errors on a pastebin, if you would16:33
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d_s_ekergoth: sure, log out put is on http://pastebin.com/NV0E4HqF16:44
kergothhuh, interesting. try adding DEPENDS_append_pn-qemu-native = " gnutls-native" in local.conf16:44
d_s_eI thought, the easiest thing would be, just to remove that recipe, because I don't need it. But I don't know why it is even used.16:44
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kergothit's used in parts of the build process, to run operations at build time that would normally have to be done on target16:45
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kergothe.g. used to be used for binary glibc locale generation, though i think that particular case has been replaced by a cross localedef16:45
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d_s_eah ok, thanks for that explanation!16:45
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kergothnp16:46
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weebetCreating a very simple recipe for a custom software in C++, I am getting 2 errors. The first one is : error: runstrip .... strip command failed ??? What is that ?!    And my second error is : I want to copy a script to /www/pages/script.cgi so I do in do_install(){ install -d ${D}/www \ install -d ${D}/www/pages \ install -m 0755 ${WORKDIR}/script.cgi ${D}/www/pages/script.cgi but getting a QA18:33
weebetIssue: files directories were installed but not shipped adding /www /www/pages /www/pages/script.cgi /www/pages/.debug     How to resolve those errors ? Thank you18:33
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bluelightningweebet: you need to add /www to a package using FILES18:49
bluelightningweebet: e.g. FILES_${PN} += "/www"18:49
bluelightning(that would add /www to the main package)18:49
weebetThank you bluelightning18:53
weebetwhy I don't have to add "/www /www/pages" ?18:53
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bluelightningweebet: it's recursive19:03
weebetThank you19:04
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kergothaside: isn't /www non-fhs compliant? shouldn't that be under srv?19:15
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weebetby default lighttpd will place its web page in /www/pages19:20
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kergothyeah, just saying we might want to think about fixing that :)19:20
weebetI agree :-)19:21
weebetis there a nice Makefile template out there ?19:21
kergothprobably depends on what you want it to do19:21
weebetcompile my code :-) and be bitbake friendly19:21
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weebetnothing esoteric19:21
kergothWell, the thing is, any homerolled makefile-based solution is going to be different from the others in at least some aspects. There's no standard for how vars like cflags/ldflags/etc are passed in. for autotools, cmake, etc we know what they expect. I don't know of anything lighter than autotools/cmake/etc offhand19:22
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weebetThank you, I will go with autotools !19:23
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weebetany suggestion for an up to date website kind of "autohell for newbie" ?19:51
kergothcmake might be slightly less painful, depends on the goal and perspective :)19:52
kergothiirc there's a couple autotools books around19:52
kergoththe gnu manuals for the projects are actually surprisingly good19:52
kergothhighly recommend them19:52
kergothmake, autoconf, automake, libtool19:52
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mr_sciencea basic autotools setup is pretty simple19:52
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mr_scienceconfigure.ac, makefile.am (for each source dir) and autogen/ltmaiin.sh19:53
kergoththe problem is everybody and their brother just steals the basic files from another project19:53
kergothso terrible stuff keeps getting passed around19:53
kergothand never dies19:53
weebetI am building a fastcgi application, there is 6-10 cpp files, I have 4-5 library to link to... very easy to do but it is hard to find a nice tutorial out there.19:53
kergoth:)19:53
mr_sciencewell, you need to customize configure.ac and makefile.am19:54
kergoththe thing that bugs me about autoconf, is 99% of devs don't even use the test results in the headers for availability19:54
kergothso most of the tests just end up being run for no good reason :)19:54
mr_sciencejust strip down configure.ac to the bare bones19:54
kergothe.g. fuck off libtool and your fortran test19:54
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mr_scienceyeah, i've seen quite a few with unneeded tests...19:55
weebetso I begin with a autoscan. then move configure.scan to configure.ac19:55
mr_sciencedid i say customize?19:55
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mr_sciencebetter not be late for lunch...19:57
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gjohnsonHas anyone tried to create a debian package for a SDK?20:43
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rburtongjohnson: not afaik20:43
gjohnsonrburton: k, thanks.  I am wanting to see if I can figure out how to create a debian package for managing the sdk on my developers machines20:44
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