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| sonicabt | Hi guys, Im new to yocto. Can someone help me understand how is yocto different from ubuntu in terms of terminal operations? | 06:18 |
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| sonicabt | I want to use yocto to work on some FFT calc and also OpenCV. | 06:19 |
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| sonicabt | Will the distro provide me resources to work on audio processing and OpenCV without any hassle? | 06:19 |
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| LetoThe2nd | sonicabt: i'd guess that a lot of people are using poky-generated images to run opencv or such, but there's no guarantee for it being "hassle-free" | 06:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | sonicabt: first of all you need to get the nomenclature straight: yocto is an umbrella project for a lot of stuff, you probably want to use poky (which is the yocto projects reference distribution). and poky itself is based on the openembedded/bitbake technology. | 06:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | sonicabt: the essential point to get your head around is that all OE-based stuff is more geared towards cross-development and reproductibility, whereas desktop-style distributions encourage interactive use and and in-target development | 06:54 |
| sonicabt | Understood | 06:54 |
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| sonicabt | So here's the thing, I wanted to connect a camera and microphone to intel edison(or any other processor which could do image and audio processing simultaneously), read data convert it into text, store it in database and use BLE (bluetooth low energy) to send the data to my smartphone. | 07:08 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ok, and what is the question now? | 07:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | :-) | 07:09 |
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| sonicabt | i read about intel edison and they say it uses yocto. I dont even know how i can hook it all up. But i really want to be able to. Now that i understand the difference between OE stuff and a liux distro. | 07:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | well you're doing it backwards. | 07:10 |
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| sonicabt | oh. ok. | 07:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | the first thing would be to develop your application and make it work on your development host | 07:10 |
| sonicabt | im listening. | 07:11 |
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| LetoThe2nd | once that works, you can evaluate its performance and memory needs, then decide on the needed hardware platform, and then (as the last thing) integrate it into the packaging process of whatever distribution you want to use | 07:11 |
| sonicabt | wonderful. | 07:12 |
| sonicabt | ty LetoThe2nd | 07:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | YW | 07:13 |
| sonicabt | could you enumerate on development host? | 07:16 |
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| sonicabt | LetoThe2nd: Could you help me understand what you meant by development host in the context of what i want to build? | 07:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | sonicabt: well the personal computer that you are sitting in front of. that you want to use for typing in source code. | 07:21 |
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| sonicabt | empirical | 07:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | imperial? :-) | 07:22 |
| T_UNIX | hey! this is not yocto specific, but maybe you know the solution: When I boot up the target machine, the serial input does not reach the prompt | 07:22 |
| T_UNIX | though the machine output is transfered in the opposite direction | 07:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | T_UNIX: hey! this is not yocto specific, but: find out where it stops | 07:23 |
| T_UNIX | ah, by, "reach the prompt" I meant that the prompt is displayed, but the keyboard input isn't arriving | 07:24 |
| T_UNIX | everything seems to boot nicely except for that I don't have keyboard input :-/ | 07:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | T_UNIX: ah, then if it has never worked before, check 1) the wiring 2) the echo settings of your terminal emulator | 07:25 |
| T_UNIX | everything worked with a different kernel+init system :-/ | 07:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | hm | 07:25 |
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| LetoThe2nd | so you can interact with the bootloader prompt and such, just the serial terminal in linux userland doesn't get the input? | 07:28 |
| T_UNIX | LetoThe2nd: exactly :-/ | 07:28 |
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| LetoThe2nd | T_UNIX: for alck of better suggestions, i'd advise to set up an ssh login, use that and then try to find out which processes are really running, and which is listening on the port | 07:29 |
| T_UNIX | I was wondering whether it - maybe - was switching input to 'regular' (e.g. USB) vs. serial | 07:30 |
| T_UNIX | LetoThe2nd: okay, got ssh access working | 07:30 |
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| T_UNIX | LetoThe2nd: so even when the login prompt is shown, I can see lines I drop to it via ssh -> 'echo foo >> /dev/ttymxc0' | 07:47 |
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| T_UNIX | it seems like just the direction dev machine -> target machine is 'broken' O.o | 07:48 |
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| T_UNIX | the cursor stops blinking during typing. Though I guess that's just gnome-terminal's way of indicating "you're typing, I'm getting the input" | 07:50 |
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| LetoThe2nd | hm | 08:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | sorry, no idea there | 08:02 |
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| present | Hi | 09:55 |
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| Crofton|work | Seems related: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162268&highlight= | 11:26 |
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| darkhorse__ | anybody familiar with meta-linaro toolchain ( https://git.linaro.org/openembedded/meta-linaro.git ) | 12:03 |
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| darkhorse__ | bluelightning: can you suggest somebody for toolchain specific question - I am struggling with meta-linaro toolchain :( | 12:07 |
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| bluelightning | darkhorse__: ndec perhaps? | 12:13 |
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| darkhorse__ | bluelightning: thanks. I have been using yocto for some time now. Haven't been able to get my head around toolchain recipes.. Is there a good reference that explains how the hell things actually work! | 12:16 |
| bluelightning | darkhorse__: not really, there's a brief overview of some of the recipes involved in the toolchain build process in the manual but it doesn't describe everything | 12:17 |
| darkhorse__ | bluelightning: :-( so it's all in a few peoples' heads then.. | 12:18 |
| bluelightning | pretty much... most people don't need to dig into it though | 12:18 |
| bluelightning | I don't think anyone would object to documenting it in more detail, it's just not something we've put time into up to this point | 12:19 |
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| darkhorse__ | ndec: hi, I've been referred to you for meta-linaro layer issues.. | 13:30 |
| CTtpollard | is there anything I can add to local conf to say, "don't use sstate for this recipe?" | 13:32 |
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| rburton | CTtpollard: what do you actually want to do? | 13:44 |
| rburton | to force a recipe to rebuild i tend to use -C unpack | 13:44 |
| rburton | or is it so massive that its a hindrance to put in sstate? | 13:44 |
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| CTtpollard | rburton: I'm having a problem with a recipe across multiple build pipelines sharing sstate, I want to tell bitbake to not look in sstate for that specific package | 13:45 |
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| CTtpollard | sorry rburton having issues on my end | 13:57 |
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| CTtpollard | rburton: did you get my comment "I'm having a problem with a recipe across multiple build pipelines sharing sstate" ? | 14:02 |
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| rburton | yeah, not sure if theres a good way to opt out of sstate per recipe. RP? | 14:06 |
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| RP | CTtpollard, rburton: you can deltask the particular sstate task | 14:15 |
| CTtpollard | RP: any example of how I can do this? :) | 14:15 |
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| RP | CTtpollard: do_shared_workdir_setscene in kernel.bbclass is one way to do it I guess | 14:19 |
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| tlwoerner | darkhorse_: you could also try #linaro or #96boards | 14:38 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, -C seems to cause a lot of unhappiness for externalsrc in this setup. devtool modify -x a recipe, then clean and -C fetch or -C configure, and it chokes trying to unpack. will have to see if hte behavior is consistent or specific to this recipe / build environment | 14:46 |
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| kergoth | RP: question, who generally does the recipe upgrades, is it the maintainer of each recipe? and are they tracked? I don't see much in the 2.2 schedule about any upgrades, so i'm guessing they happen outside of bug tracking. have someone at work wondering what version a certain recipe will be, which of course is hard to predict since we don't know what upstream is doing, but .. | 16:11 |
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| RP | kergoth: http://recipes.yoctoproject.org/rrs/recipes/2.2/M2/ is how it gets tracked. No point in individual bugs for it | 16:44 |
| RP | kergoth: there is quite some automated tooling but you've just made me realise that perhaps it isn't as well known as I thought | 16:44 |
| kergoth | i've seen the available upgrade mails on the yocto list, and i've seen the updating of the config files in the metadata about the tracking, but i imagine not everyone has seen those things, so knows even less than i do (which is admittedly little). i was more curious about the process with regard to the release, obviously an unanticipated random recipe upgrade in the middle of the release cycle could affect the schedule | 16:46 |
| kergoth | hadn't seen that web site, though, quite cool | 16:46 |
| RP | kergoth: there are certain core pieces we like to plan like toolchain/kernel, the rest happens if/as/when until we freeze. Depends a lot on the upstream and what testing says about the update | 16:52 |
| * kergoth nods | 16:53 | |
| kergoth | okay, thanks | 16:53 |
| RP | kergoth: I think it might be worth summarising what tools we have and what we do on the mailing list. There are others who actively work that process and I'll ask them to write something up | 16:54 |
| kergoth | that'd be helpful, thanks. i'm sure others would find it interesting/useful as well | 16:54 |
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| armpit | the issue with the package maintainers is the definition may not be clear on what is expected. | 17:41 |
| armpit | or what exception is of them | 17:41 |
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| Linteriste | Hello | 17:54 |
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| Linteriste | Hello | 18:01 |
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| maciejjo | hi all, I am trying to use C header from one package in another, but it fails to find it with "No such file or directory" | 18:05 |
| maciejjo | I added the package providing header to DEPENDS in recipe | 18:05 |
| Linteriste | How exactly do you make the header available to the other recipe? | 18:07 |
| maciejjo | Linteriste: in the recipe providing header I install it under /usr/include | 18:07 |
| maciejjo | but now I am thinking I do not need it in image | 18:08 |
| maciejjo | how can I make it available to the recipe? | 18:09 |
| Linteriste | For which purpose do you need the header? To compile? | 18:09 |
| igor2 | maciejjo: did you see if the header is in the sysroot path? | 18:10 |
| maciejjo | when I extract rootfs I can see the header under /usr/include | 18:10 |
| igor2 | you wont use the rootfs header | 18:11 |
| igor2 | if you want to compile the package before install it, you will need the headers on the sysroot path | 18:11 |
| maciejjo | and how to add files to sysroot? | 18:12 |
| igor2 | it is automatic when you put the package as a depends | 18:12 |
| igor2 | so you can look at tmp/sysroots/ | 18:13 |
| maciejjo | ok | 18:13 |
| igor2 | and see if it is there | 18:13 |
| maciejjo | it is there | 18:14 |
| maciejjo | sysroots/beaglebone/usr/include/prussdrv.h | 18:14 |
| igor2 | ok, so it can be an error on the makefile | 18:15 |
| igor2 | try to compile the package with devshell | 18:15 |
| igor2 | and see if everything is ok | 18:15 |
| maciejjo | ok | 18:15 |
| maciejjo | same result | 18:17 |
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| igor2 | did see the CFLAGS if the sysroot path is in there | 18:18 |
| igor2 | like --sysroot=.... | 18:18 |
| igor2 | on the cflags | 18:19 |
| maciejjo | no, I do not have this | 18:19 |
| igor2 | you will need to put -I=<path> | 18:19 |
| kergoth | --sysroot= isn't in cflags. it's in CC | 18:19 |
| igor2 | thanks | 18:20 |
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| igor2 | i confused with -I | 18:20 |
| igor2 | the -I<path> have to be changed to -I=<path> | 18:20 |
| btooth | hi.. lets say i want to use poky to just copy files to workdir and create rpm from that. no fetching/patching/configure/compiling for cross platform etc. just simple task of creating an package from an location.. so i do not want bitbake to create a toolchain etc.. how to do this? | 18:21 |
| igor2 | so the --sysroot option will search on the right path | 18:21 |
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| igor2 | btooth: you can use the INHIBIT_DEFAULT_DEPS and some other variables that exclude the cross-compiling stuffs | 18:26 |
| igor2 | look at the allarch class into the poky | 18:26 |
| igor2 | or you can disable the default tasks like do_compile[noexec] = "1" | 18:27 |
| igor2 | and the recipe will just copy the files and generate the rpm | 18:27 |
| maciejjo | igor2: so what are you saing is I need to add -I=/usr/include to gcc options in my Makefile? | 18:31 |
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| igor2 | maybe, it depends how is your makefile | 18:33 |
| igor2 | but it can work, you have to try and test | 18:33 |
| igor2 | with devshell you can change the makefile and try everything | 18:34 |
| igor2 | until you discover what is wrong on your makefile | 18:34 |
| maciejjo | ok, I will try to figure it out, thanks for help | 18:34 |
| igor2 | you're welcome | 18:34 |
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| btooth | igor2: what kind of machine to use for this? i bitbake to take seconds for this from scratch, not building anything, maybe pseudo/fakeroot but thats all.. | 18:36 |
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| btooth | i mean, download poky and call bitbake from scratch to generate rpm from a folder.. | 18:37 |
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| igor2 | i didnt understand what you want exactly | 18:39 |
| igor2 | if you want a recipe that only copy files and generate a package | 18:39 |
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| igor2 | you just need to create this recipe as I said before | 18:40 |
| btooth | i fetch libs and binaries from a svn server. i use recipies just for file mapping to be installed by do_install. so there is no build envolved. but i want to use bitbake to parse my recipe and to call do_install and do_package_rpm. but all of that without creating sysroots for host or target. | 18:41 |
| btooth | poky/yocto is not designed for that, i know.. but i want to use the classes poky ships and bitbake just for that purpose. | 18:42 |
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| igor2 | I dont know if the bitbake will create the sysroot path and etc, but if you inherit allarch on your recipe, it will not need anything | 18:43 |
| btooth | igor2: i will try | 18:44 |
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| btooth | igor2: using allarch does not help.. calling bitbake my-recipe will always first build tons of other tools | 18:47 |
| btooth | all needed by MACHINE=qemu .. | 18:47 |
| btooth | etc | 18:47 |
| igor2 | now I understand | 18:50 |
| igor2 | well, I dont know if it is possible | 18:51 |
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| btooth | anyone here? some bitbake, or poky experts? i know, i just could use ipkg/rpm, but i have all the file mapping ready in bb files and bitbake and poky ships with all needed classes etc to do this. I just need to tell bitbake that nothing has to be build for a target machine.. just the tools needed for do_install and do_package_ipk | 18:53 |
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| igor2 | btooth: maybe the -b option can do what you want | 19:08 |
| igor2 | bitbake -b recipe | 19:09 |
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| igor2 | it will only build the tasks of your recipe | 19:09 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, meta-intel is unconditionally modifying linux-firmware. If it's a generic fix, it belongs in oe-core, if not, it should be conditional on the MACHINE/INTEL_COMMON_PACKAGE_ARCH | 19:59 |
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| rburton | kergoth: bug please! | 20:14 |
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| RP | kergoth: did you have a look at the runqueue patch btw? | 20:53 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, would be nice if there was a good way to hint to bitbake that certain tasks need to run in isolation. I keep having to manually scale down BB_NUMBER_THREADS/PARALLEL_MAKE to compile qtwebkit, webkitgtk, etc due to OOM kills, then scale it back up after building them | 22:20 |
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| neverpanic | ideally bitbake would know which tasks parallelize on their own and then take as many tokens from a pool as the task will start processes | 22:22 |
| neverpanic | i.e. a make -j8 would take up 8 executors, and on a 16 core machine bitbake would only start 8 other tasks (or 1 other make -j8 compilation) | 22:23 |
| neverpanic | that would solve these problems, wouldn't it? | 22:23 |
| kergoth | richard had a WIP setup with bitbake operating as the make jobserver | 22:24 |
| kergoth | i wonder whatever happened to that | 22:24 |
| kergoth | that's not entirely sufficient, though, since make isn't hte only process which consumes resources | 22:24 |
| kergoth | it'd be a start, though | 22:24 |
| neverpanic | yeah, I was wondering how hard it would be to emulate a make jobserver, and whether that's a stable API | 22:26 |
| neverpanic | But unfortunately I don't have the time to implement any of this, so we'll just turn down the number of threads and ignore the problem for now :/ | 22:28 |
| kergoth | there it is, "[OE-core] [POC PATCH] Add shared make jobserver support" from last feb. "I'm sending this out so at least the code is available to people. Its not ready for merging in its current form but might be the basis for someone else to finish this up" | 22:30 |
| neverpanic | Hm, I might put it in my local copy and see what happens | 22:31 |
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| kergoth | that's what i was thinking too | 22:32 |
| kergoth | i'm not sure it needs a make intercept, could always create the fifo in an event handler instead of at first call of make and set up the makeflags there | 22:32 |
| kergoth | hmm | 22:32 |
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| kergoth | hmm | 22:34 |
| neverpanic | the make intercept could also use os.execv() instead of subprocess | 22:34 |
| neverpanic | looks pretty simple other than that, though. | 22:34 |
| kergoth | oh, i see, it passes the actual file descriptors on the commandline, so the child needs to inherit those, the intercept makes more sense now | 22:35 |
| neverpanic | In any case, that's a topic for tomorrow. Night. | 22:36 |
| kergoth | night | 22:36 |
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