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| RP | gah, green selftests but eclipse failed | 08:41 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 08:47 |
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| DuClare | So I'm trying a core-image-minimal build of poky-tiny, and I'm spending a lot of time and space on native deps that I never intend to use, like 2.7 gigabytes worth of qemu(-helper) for a bunch of architectures I do not care about? | 12:13 |
| DuClare | According to recipe-depends.dot, most of these are a direct dependency of core-image-minimal | 12:13 |
| DuClare | I just can't see where it pulls these deps or why, let alone how to disable it | 12:14 |
| kroon | DuClare, which machine ? | 12:19 |
| DuClare | Whatever the default is | 12:20 |
| JaMa | you can restrtict the architectures with QEMU_TARGETS variable, but it doesn't really have much time and space | 12:20 |
| DuClare | Why is qemu built at all? | 12:20 |
| JaMa | some postinst scripts are executed in qemu | 12:21 |
| kroon | I believe qemu is used, as an example, for files that go into the target root fs, that are created by target programs | 12:21 |
| kroon | so they cant run on the host | 12:21 |
| kroon | also, the qemu* machines inherit qemu.inc, which pulls in qemu-native, for booting the resulting image in qemu | 12:22 |
| DuClare | Huh. I'm surprised you'd need to run target binaries to finish a cross build | 12:25 |
| kroon | cache files for speeding up things, on a read-only rootfs for instance | 12:26 |
| JaMa | nobody wrote cross tools to generate e.g. fontcache, gio-module-cache, gobject-introspection, gtk-immodules-cache | 12:28 |
| DuClare | My plan was to build something that doesn't really need such things.. basically just bootloader + kernel + busybox + custom application in initramfs | 12:28 |
| JaMa | than start with initramfs image instead of core-image-minimal | 12:29 |
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| DuClare | Well I checked out core-image-minimal-initramfs but from what I can tell, it's pulling the same deps | 12:31 |
| DuClare | Same for core-image-tiny-initramfs | 12:32 |
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| DuClare | Hmm | 12:36 |
| DuClare | Well. It is smaller and quicker, though it still pulls qemu | 12:38 |
| DuClare | I wonder if that's because of MACHINE | 12:38 |
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| rburton | building qemu-native really isn't that time consuming | 13:12 |
| rburton | you'll spend longer chipping away at removing it | 13:12 |
| rburton | i believe a non-qemu minimal image is buildable without building qemu-native though, so presumably something you're building needs it | 13:14 |
| rburton | note that both systemd and eudev need it to build the hwdb | 13:15 |
| rburton | of course sstate means you built qemu-native once and it won't be built again unless it changes | 13:15 |
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| acrap | Hi, folks! | 13:16 |
| acrap | I have a newbie question | 13:16 |
| acrap | Can I use more than one bbappend file for one recipe | 13:17 |
| acrap | ? | 13:17 |
| rburton | yes | 13:18 |
| acrap | ok. Does layer priority affects th eorder? | 13:18 |
| acrap | *the order | 13:18 |
| rburton | hm probably | 13:18 |
| rburton | easy to inspect with bitbake-layers | 13:18 |
| acrap | ok. It's good idea | 13:19 |
| acrap | good news, actually | 13:19 |
| acrap | thanks! | 13:19 |
| acrap | I just fooled myself that I've heard the opposite information before. Like bbappend files override another ones. | 13:20 |
| rburton | oh that's definitely wrong | 13:21 |
| acrap | Glad to hear I was wrong | 13:21 |
| rburton | they all pile up | 13:21 |
| acrap | may be it worked that way I thought early... | 13:22 |
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| LetoThe2nd | rburton: BTW, as it was already mentioned a couple of times now: my don't start your project on raspi submission was actually accepted! | 13:30 |
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| RP | LetoThe2nd: nice! :) | 13:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: :-) | 13:39 |
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| Crofton | LetoThe2nd, what did you submit? | 13:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | Crofton: to a german iot conf. basically "whats on the menu besides raspberry pie", and the abstract pointing out that often the "lets just start quickly" approach using raspi+armbian backfires badly | 13:43 |
| Crofton | excellent talk! | 13:44 |
| Crofton | Be sure to focus on the postitive | 13:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | i'll focus on metal. | 13:45 |
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| Crofton | You would | 13:49 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: nice | 13:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | actually, i expect the audience to not even be properly aware of no-OS/RTOS/runtime environments other than armbian | 13:51 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: gold, platinum, cobalt, so many to choose from ;-) | 13:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | :-) | 13:52 |
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| cdgarren | I'm running into an issue in my do_rootfs step: "nothing provides xf86-video-imx-vivante needed by packagegroup-core-x11-xserver-1.0-r40.var_som_mx6" | 15:21 |
| cdgarren | the oe-pkgdata-util claims that it's provided by imx-gpu-viv, so I added that to my local.conf, but I'm still getting the same error. | 15:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | cdgarren: IIRC we've had about the same topic just a couple of days back | 15:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | seomthing changed in the DEPENDS/REPENDS across layers, so might start checking there | 15:22 |
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| LetoThe2nd | (sorry don't remember the actual outcome) | 15:22 |
| cdgarren | No problem. Thanks for the pointer. | 15:22 |
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| cdgarren | LetoThe2nd: Any chance you remember anything else about that fix? I'm not figuring anything out yet. | 15:38 |
| cdgarren | Or does anyone else have advice on how to track this down? | 15:38 |
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| seebs | https://twitter.com/0xdea/status/1070308598146850818 <-- hey so systemd is really good and carefully written | 15:45 |
| seebs | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11026 <-- the actual issue | 15:46 |
| kergoth | oof | 15:46 |
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| rburton | not actually a systemd thing, https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/issues/74#note_84732 | 15:50 |
| cdgarren | Ok, I have another issue in trying to get this building. The do_prepare_sysroot step fails trying to copy a file to a recipe-sysroot because the file already exists. I seem to be able to fix it by removing the file it complains about it, but I'm a littel confused about why this file isn't cleaned up if it shouldn't be there? | 15:51 |
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| rburton | cdgarren: two recipes shouldn't be providing the same files | 15:52 |
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| sveinse | How can I remove a package from an image, even if it breaks rdepends? | 15:54 |
| cdgarren | rburton: Makes sense. How can I tell which recipes are providing the file? It looks like all of the failures were complaining about recipe-sysroot/usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.1.0.0 | 15:55 |
| rburton | $ oe-pkgdata-util find-path /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.\* | 15:56 |
| rburton | wayland: /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.1 | 15:56 |
| rburton | wayland: /usr/lib/libwayland-egl.so.1.0.0 | 15:56 |
| rburton | looks like your driver conflicts with upstream wayland | 15:56 |
| rburton | so you'll need to figure out what bit of the bsp is broken | 15:56 |
| rburton | should the driver not be shipping that? should the bsp be removing those bits from wayland? | 15:57 |
| cdgarren | it only says it's coming from the wayland package. | 15:58 |
| cdgarren | Do I even need the wayland package? I'm planning on running chromium-x11, so would the easiest thing to do be remove wayland from my distro_features? | 16:00 |
| rburton | that is certainly one option | 16:00 |
| rburton | (this is why building your own distro is a good idea: poky turns a fair amount of stuff on for testing) | 16:00 |
| cdgarren | Maybe that's really what I should be doing then. | 16:00 |
| rburton | cp poky.conf mydistro.conf, and delete anything you don't want | 16:00 |
| rburton | its definitely what you should be doing | 16:01 |
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| cdgarren | Alright, I'll start down that path. Thanks for the input. | 16:01 |
| rburton | maybe we should have called the poky distro file example.conf | 16:01 |
| rburton | dontusethis.conf | 16:01 |
| sveinse | Since yocto supports having no pkg manager on target, does yocto/bitbake have any functions for collecting an additional set of packages into a .tar.xz or similar for deployment to target? Making an arbitrary image is of course easy, but I'm thinking of an image containing only additional packages to a base image | 16:03 |
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| rburton | adelcast: any chance of a opkg-utils release soon? | 16:08 |
| rburton | adelcast: also we're carrying a patch to change the #! to python3, would you accept that? | 16:08 |
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| adelcast | rburton: yes, I plan to release opkg and opkg-utils, version 0.4 on December 15 | 16:10 |
| adelcast | around the same time I was planning on creating the recipes | 16:10 |
| rburton | we still carry an ugly patch for tar | 16:11 |
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| adelcast | yikes, yeah, that's pretty ugly...its a copy of the one used by dpkg | 16:14 |
| rburton | problem being we'll hard-link the package tree for each packaging class, so they'll be running in parallel | 16:15 |
| adelcast | so, while opkg-build is running we change the build directory links? | 16:16 |
| rburton | not sure about the new compressorargs logic in opkg-build. imo, things like -nT to gzip should be handled for you as that's universally good behaviour | 16:16 |
| rburton | yeah, opkg-build could be running when do_package_rpm starts and does a hardlink farm of the package tree | 16:17 |
| adelcast | I see...then its pretty OE specific | 16:18 |
| * rburton looks at the class and wonders if his knowledge is wrong | 16:19 | |
| adelcast | regarding -nT, we could add it as a part of the default options since yeah, the option makes sense. I still want to leave compressorargs since others may want to customize the call with other flafs | 16:21 |
| adelcast | flags | 16:21 |
| rburton | yes, i'm looking at this because i wanted to control how much parallelism xz used | 16:22 |
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| rburton | as lame people with lame amounts of memory are lamely complaining that do_package_ipk can kill their machine by eating all the ram | 16:22 |
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| adelcast | hehe | 16:23 |
| rburton | oh the target of my troll isn't even in this channel :) | 16:23 |
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| rburton | hm, the patch that was in dpkg has been lost | 16:32 |
| rburton | claims to be upstream but it's not | 16:32 |
| fray | rburton, doesn't everyone have at least 128 GB of ram, and 64 cores?! | 16:32 |
| rburton | fray: apparently some people do builds on laptops! | 16:32 |
| rburton | madness | 16:32 |
| fray | definitely madness.. 256 GB of ram and 96 cores works for me.. | 16:33 |
| rburton | adelcast: so dpkg appears to effectively do a find and then tell tar that file list | 16:37 |
| rburton | which i have a hunch means the count thing changing isn't an issue | 16:37 |
| sveinse | some of us are stuck with a IT provided server that MUST RUN VM. Thats even more madness than laptops. | 16:38 |
| sveinse | Or more specifically, my decent i7 laptop is comparable on compile times as the server... | 16:39 |
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| rburton | adelcast: that might be a better solution. just tar -T, basically | 16:39 |
| adelcast | interesting...yeah, the patch is gone | 16:41 |
| sveinse | Our IT want to outsource building to the cloud, Azure specifically, and have challenged our Yocto team to get it up and running.... and are set back when I say how much tmp disk and memory is needed | 16:41 |
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| adelcast | ok, I can take a look to do something similar before 0.4 | 16:41 |
| rburton | sveinse: using rm_work will save you a load of disk space | 16:42 |
| rburton | the time overhead is pretty much insignificant | 16:42 |
| sveinse | rburton: yeah sure. And its tmp, so the transferrable file artifacts is much much less than that | 16:43 |
| adelcast | I'll look to drop that patch, then I'll also add -nT as a default, I agree its sane to be on the list of recommended defaults, if someone doesn't like it, they can still use compressorargs | 16:43 |
| rburton | adelcast: yeah, ideally the class passes "use <core count> threads" but then users can tweak if it required | 16:44 |
| rburton | adelcast: thanks | 16:45 |
| adelcast | right, and for opkg-build use outside OE, still make sense to use as much as you can | 16:46 |
| adelcast | np | 16:46 |
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| RP | sveinse: with rm_work its also about removing IO load | 16:51 |
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| rburton | have a big enough commit timeout and you'll be deleting stuff before its on disk | 16:57 |
| JaMa | or build in tmpfs to make sure that it won't even try to hit disk | 16:59 |
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| JaMa | but even with tmpfs I'm waiting for the build to finish for last 4 hours.. | 17:01 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: When using the meta-updater layer dtoverlays will not work <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53637715/when-using-the-meta-updater-layer-dtoverlays-will-not-work> | 17:30 |
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| yocti | New news from stackoverflow: Is it possible to use Embedded OS prepared for i.MX6solo over i.MX6UL...? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53638232/is-it-possible-to-use-embedded-os-prepared-for-i-mx6solo-over-i-mx6ul> | 18:30 |
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| adelcast | haven't seen the stackoverflow bot, that's super cool | 19:16 |
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| Crofton | adelcast, It has been around a while :) | 19:31 |
| khem | yeah this is for oldies like us of the project who just dont look at anything besides IRC | 19:31 |
| Crofton | I believe we are called "coumudgeons" | 19:31 |
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| khem | any term you come up with will have negative connotations in my mind | 19:32 |
| khem | :), I think we should adopt modern communication methods | 19:33 |
| khem | like have a discussion over twitter threads :) | 19:33 |
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| khem | make patch as a facebook post | 19:34 |
| adelcast | hehehe, yes, a while back I used to check for opkg questions on stackoverflow, but wouldn't check it very often | 19:34 |
| Crofton | adelcast, I think you ca set up notification | 19:34 |
| adelcast | yeah, love those technical twitter discussion getting to the bottom of it in < 280 characters | 19:35 |
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| aehs29 | khem: hahaha | 19:41 |
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| RP | khem: speak for yourself, we're not all 'oldies' :) | 21:17 |
| khem | RP: oldies in technological age | 21:19 |
| khem | fact is you are included however you dissect the pie :) | 21:20 |
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| yates | when building the cross-tools is there a way to include specific development libraries, e.g., sqlite? | 21:24 |
| khem | libraries for what target ? cross, native, target ? | 21:25 |
| yates | i want to cross-build an app under x86 linux that targets my freescale i.mx6 arm | 21:26 |
| yates | and be able to cross-link that app with sqlite | 21:27 |
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| yates | am i not being clear? | 21:29 |
| khem | yes, DEPENDS += "sqlite3" in recipe will help | 21:29 |
| khem | cross-link ? | 21:29 |
| khem | what does cross link mean here ? | 21:30 |
| yates | link (as in ld or g++) on one machine for which the output is targetting another machine | 21:30 |
| yates | but i don't mean via bitbaking a recipe. | 21:31 |
| yates | the app i'm building may not even have a recipe | 21:31 |
| yates | i just want to build it, on my x86, for the arm, e.g., using my own makefile etc. | 21:31 |
| yates | actually we already have a cross-development toolchain, but it lacks some of the libraries we use | 21:32 |
| yates | i can build one application 4 different ways: 1) on the x86 linux targeting the x86, 2) on the x86 linux desktop targeting the arm, 3) on the arm targetting the arm (native), or 4) bitbaking in yocto | 21:34 |
| RP | khem: sad but true in those terms | 21:34 |
| RP | khem: I can be in denial though ;-) | 21:35 |
| RP | khem: what was the conclusion on the waf patch btw? | 21:36 |
| yates | khem: i think i am referring to the ADP: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/1.6.1/adt-manual/adt-manual.html#the-cross-development-toolchain | 21:38 |
| yates | ADT | 21:38 |
| yates | i didn't build the toolchain, so I'm not sure how it was done. | 21:39 |
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| khem | RP: waf is good to go, I fixed the offending recipe | 21:46 |
| khem | RP: I think the number of recipes which needs to be forwarded ported for this change in waf is not many | 21:46 |
| khem | yates: OK, so as I understand you want to link your app with sqlite3 so you need sqlite3 on target along with app righ t? | 21:47 |
| khem | yates: its possible that your SDK does not include sqlite3 so you have to rebuild your SDK to include sqlite3 in SDK | 21:48 |
| khem | other better option is to use eSDK | 21:48 |
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| khem | where you dont need to do much accept adding DEPENDS += "sqlite3" in your app recipe | 21:49 |
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| RP | khem: thanks, will merge then | 21:57 |
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| RP | JPEW: FWIW I put a subset of your patches into -next and builds were fine | 22:39 |
| RP | JPEW: I didn't include the fork one | 22:39 |
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| Crofton | don't you mean hug? | 23:05 |
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| rburton | yates: sound a lot like you just want to build a new toolchain. if you've an image that you want to be able to compile for outside of yocto, then bitbake myimage -c populate_sdk | 23:27 |
| rburton | some people still ship the tarball built by the meta-toolchain recipe, but that's basically just the compiler | 23:27 |
| rburton | so of limited use | 23:27 |
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