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| khem | RP:no | 05:05 |
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| khem | this does not yet have mips fixes | 05:06 |
| khem | I have yet to figure out whats going on | 05:06 |
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| bluelotus | hello everyone. | 13:22 |
| bluelotus | i have rather a couple of questions if somebody is available from the project. | 13:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | bluelotus: its sunday, so things are rather quiet. so go ahead and ask, but please stick around for at least some hours. | 13:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | (actually its pure coincidence i had a peek just right now) | 13:29 |
| bluelotus | yeah i know but i-m rather excited about a project of mine | 13:29 |
| bluelotus | i have a unused nokia n900 that i bought and i wanted to ask about installing poky linux on the n900 | 13:29 |
| bluelotus | if that is possible and about the package management system | 13:30 |
| bluelotus | i know it's a lot of question but i m patient | 13:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | anyting is possible, its only software | 13:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | but the first problem is probably kernel source | 13:30 |
| LetoThe2nd | e.g. do you hae a known good working state and configuration? | 13:31 |
| LetoThe2nd | plus, do you have a working procedure to boot anything other than what is already on the phone? | 13:31 |
| bluelotus | currently it's running maemo but i find it obsolete and i was considering going with another distro with some up-to-date repos | 13:32 |
| LetoThe2nd | thats no answer to none of my questions. | 13:32 |
| bluelotus | it's plainly running maemo . just that. | 13:33 |
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| LetoThe2nd | AFAIK the n9xx were mostly on 2.6.32, which is like ancient. so getting that build together with a reasonably recent userland is like, super bummer | 13:33 |
| bluelotus | 2.6.28-omap1 | 13:34 |
| bluelotus | states the uname command. | 13:34 |
| LetoThe2nd | plus, yocto/openembedded uses a package management mechanism to create the images, but we do not offer package repositories. so if you want something like a distro where you can add things at will, then you are ill-served with poky anyways. | 13:35 |
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| bluelotus | sorry for not being precise with the question , the real question was if i could use yocto as a distro and use the n900 for a example as a web-server , but now it s more clearer to me. | 13:36 |
| bluelotus | sorry for the noob questions. | 13:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | technically you could. | 13:36 |
| LetoThe2nd | practically, you are about 100 times better off putting your time to good use if you just get yourself a raspi | 13:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | i'd roughly estimate 4-6 weeks senior engineer dev time until you got something booting on the n900. | 13:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | whereas a poky image for the raspi you can get in a couple of hours, depending on your build machine. and a raspbian install in like 10 minutes | 13:38 |
| bluelotus | i've seen some videos with guys installing kali and postmarketOS on the N900 but i dont need that much bloat . just something minimal | 13:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | (i gotta run again. back in 6hr or so, but i think i conveyed the essence) | 13:39 |
| bluelotus | thanks anyways | 13:39 |
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| dev1990_ | is there a common MACHINE_OVERRIDE for arm and armeb ? | 13:48 |
| dev1990_ | or even for aarch64 and arm and armeb, I'm searching for something like FOO_append_armfamillycpus = " bar" | 13:50 |
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| RP | dev1990_: there is an arm override and an armeb override | 14:34 |
| dev1990_ | RP: yes there is :) | 14:52 |
| dev1990_ | https://github.com/dev-0x7C6/meta-retro/blob/zeus/classes/retroarch-overrides.bbclass | 14:52 |
| dev1990_ | I decided to add arm_familly and arm32 and arm64 overrides for my package set | 14:53 |
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| dev1990_ | Is there a reason why Yocto passing --sysroot and other machine flags via CXX/CC? | 17:02 |
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| LetoThe2nd | dev1990_: hum, because we're crosscompiling? | 17:58 |
| dev1990_ | LetoThe2nd: https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch/pull/9995 | 18:04 |
| dev1990_ | take a look if you have time | 18:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | dev1990_: ah so the question was about the *way* being passed, not they *why* | 18:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | no idea then :( | 18:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | maybe khem can comment? | 18:08 |
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| dev1990_ | LetoThe2nd: the question is why :) | 18:14 |
| dev1990_ | I'll introduce the problem properly | 18:18 |
| dev1990_ | I'm porting RetroArch project to Yocto. RetroArch using buildsystem that mimic autotools. | 18:20 |
| dev1990_ | ok recipe is ready, go... and fail... ./configure script failed on checking if CXX and CC is valid compiler by trying to compile simple program | 18:21 |
| dev1990_ | I patched this script to use $CXX and $CC unquoted | 18:22 |
| dev1990_ | it worked, so I pushed merge request and patch was accepted | 18:23 |
| dev1990_ | but after sometime, there was a revert on my patch bacause using $CC and $CXX in plain script is unacceptable and there is user fault and --sysroot should be passed via CXXFLAGS CFLAGS | 18:25 |
| dev1990_ | and I show this not user error and Yocto is acctualy passing parameters via $CXX $CC | 18:26 |
| dev1990_ | I take argument that I should fix that in Yocto Project | 18:27 |
| dev1990_ | s/I take argument that I should fix that in Yocto Project/they told me to fix that in Yocto/g | 18:27 |
| * dev1990_ story of my daily life | 18:27 | |
| dev1990_ | I dunno | 18:28 |
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| kergoth | dev1990_: they're wrong, multi-word CC is extremely common, even just for use of ccache without symlinks (CC="ccache gcc") | 18:55 |
| kergoth | just patch it in the recipe and leave the patch in the layer | 18:55 |
| kergoth | rather than pushing it upstream | 18:55 |
| khem | dev1990_: there is no base override for arm like we have for mips called mipsarch | 19:07 |
| khem | perhaps arm and aarch64 are as basic as possible | 19:08 |
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| khem | I will be fine if we had one for arm as well given the subarch families arm has | 19:13 |
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| kovalevsky | This probably is a really piece of cake answer, I have a distro image that contains several layers. In one of those layers I have a recipe. If I already issue "bitbake <distroname>". What would be the command to issue if I change something in the recipe and want to build again the distro? | 19:53 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: i guess you mean an image? | 19:54 |
| LetoThe2nd | (not a distro) | 19:54 |
| kovalevsky | To be more accurate, since I know the whole architecture is quite of complex. The change that I made to my recipe was within a local file. | 19:54 |
| kovalevsky | I m not quite good when it come to use the right words since I am just getting started. When I exec bitbake <distroname> I mean, I grab this name from my conf/local.conf in the variable: DISTRO = "distroname" | 19:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: if the image depends in some form on the recipe, then just rebuild the images. | 19:57 |
| kovalevsky | In that case, I am not sure if that's the proper name. | 19:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | that "distroname" there is a DISTRO config. its not something you can build | 19:57 |
| kovalevsky | @LetoThe2nd, what do you mean that I can not build? | 19:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | bitbake distroname is not gonna work. | 19:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | (to my knowledge, and if you don't have anything else in there that happens to be buildable and bear the same name) | 19:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: you can build images and packages, but not distributions. | 19:59 |
| kovalevsky | So, I guess there may be an image name that match the distro name and that's why I am missing the right concept. | 20:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: yes, thats probably the case. | 20:00 |
| kovalevsky | What I am trying to in a nutshell is generate a linux / gnu embedded distribution to be able to flash into an sd car and load into my embedded device. | 20:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: thats why its a good practise for images to have "image" in their name :) | 20:01 |
| kovalevsky | @LetoThe2nd, I will bear that in mind and let the developer know about it. Hahaha. | 20:02 |
| kovalevsky | Since it may be understood, I got the point. | 20:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | building an image to flash into an embedded device is such a common usecase that we take it as given unless stated otherwise :) | 20:02 |
| kovalevsky | In that sense, If I want to change the local file of a custom recipe that lives within a custom layer inside an image, then my options are rebuild the image and that's it? | 20:03 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: should be, yes. | 20:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | kovalevsky: let me suggest for you to invest some time in https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD4M5FoHz-TxMfBFrDKfIS_GLY25Qsfyj | 20:03 |
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| kovalevsky | @LetoThe2nd, all right then. I fell like my first years diving into the nitty-gritties when I was just starting off in Linux / GNU flavors desktop distros. | 20:04 |
| kovalevsky | @LetoThe2nd, thanks a lot. I've already pass a couple of days this week watching the first three episodes. | 20:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | :) | 20:05 |
| kovalevsky | And it's so knolwedgeable and fun at the same time watching Josef with the beers | 20:06 |
| kovalevsky | hahahaha | 20:06 |
| kovalevsky | Ok, well, thanks for your help I will check this out and see if the results are as I expected. | 20:06 |
| LetoThe2nd | have fun | 20:06 |
| kovalevsky | @LetoThe2nd, it works. | 20:22 |
| kovalevsky | I will keep having playing with it. Thanks. | 20:22 |
| LetoThe2nd | enjoy! | 20:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | and remember to follow on twitch, respectively youtube :) | 20:23 |
| kovalevsky | For sure I will. | 20:24 |
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| RP | khem: we already have an arm override | 23:25 |
| RP | dev1990_: the ccache gcc is the obvious reason CC needs to support multiple things | 23:26 |
| RP | dev1990_: as kergoth mentioned. We put sysroot there as it if goes missing, bad things used to happen | 23:26 |
| RP | It was more obvious if CC wasn't being used | 23:27 |
| dev1990_ | RP: please consider maintion it there: https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch/pull/9995 | 23:29 |
| khem | RP: yes as I said arm and aarch64, but I was mentioning was something thats common to all arm | 23:46 |
| khem | like mipsarch is for all mips ( including 32 and 64 bit) | 23:46 |
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