creich | yocto *might* give you *some* image ;) | 00:00 |
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palate | :D | 00:00 |
creich | if it is the right one will depend on your setting and the specific hardware | 00:00 |
creich | that's why i'd like to avoid as much as possible | 00:00 |
creich | if you could verify the exact board and maybe find some documentation, that could be very helpful i guess | 00:01 |
creich | here is some very good course material you should have a look at | 00:01 |
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creich | i just used it myself recently to get some insights in the whole process | 00:01 |
creich | https://bootlin.com/doc/training/embedded-linux/ | 00:02 |
creich | you also could checkout the live coding videos from LetoThe2nd for further insight in the whole yocto stuff | 00:02 |
palate | creich: awesome, thanks a lot! | 00:03 |
creich | yw :) | 00:03 |
creich | i'll leave for tonight as well :) | 00:03 |
creich | good luck and maybe cya later | 00:03 |
palate | good night :) | 00:05 |
khem | RP: I think I see the issue LIBUNISTRING_UNIWIDTH_H is detected as uniwidth.h but actually rule says it should be lib/uniwidth.h | 00:08 |
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RP | khem: ah, that could explain it | 00:11 |
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khem | RP: there is 3.5.1 released last week I will give it a shot | 00:34 |
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tlwoerner | I've started a GSoC ideas page: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/GSoC/Ideas | 00:55 |
armpit2 | tlwoerner, should that also be advertised on OE wiki ? | 00:56 |
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* tlwoerner doesn't want to find himself in the middle of an "OE vs YP" discussion! | 00:57 | |
tlwoerner | i'm happy for any help OE would like to lend | 00:58 |
tlwoerner | armpit: do you mean wiki.openembedded.net ? (lol) | 01:00 |
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armpit | tlwoerner, yes wiki.openembedded only to spread the word | 02:52 |
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khem | heh shoot yourself in foot and head perhaps | 03:12 |
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khem | I was asked same question today so its still confusing people | 03:13 |
khem | when I say think of debian and ubuntu, immediate question was so which company provides support for yocto, I ran away screaming | 03:18 |
armpit | khem, you don't scream.. you just give them the look : ) | 03:39 |
khem | you know that ;) | 03:40 |
armpit | hehehe OE tasers .. we can train them | 03:40 |
khem | these guys are working on alpine so they understand distros well | 03:41 |
khem | perhaps I should have said as alpine is to archlinux ... hmm too late | 03:44 |
armpit | learning experience | 03:45 |
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yocti | New news from stackoverflow: howto find which recipe provides a RPM (or DEB or IPK) package? <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60071338/howto-find-which-recipe-provides-a-rpm-or-deb-or-ipk-package> | 08:31 |
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qschulz | LetoThe2nd: I didn't expect to give you the last push to give up on SO. /me sad | 08:41 |
LetoThe2nd | qschulz: more opportunities for you to shine. | 08:42 |
* LetoThe2nd shrugs. | 08:42 | |
LetoThe2nd | as you have probably noticed, when it comes to community work i'm the "lets try it first and judge later" kind of person. sometimes it works: irc, live coding. sometimes it does not: SO. such is life. | 08:43 |
LetoThe2nd | i'm happy to have finally made a conclusion, and thats it. | 08:43 |
qschulz | LetoThe2nd: Whatever suits you :) | 08:46 |
LetoThe2nd | qschulz: metal attire, if you ask me. wife disagrees. | 08:47 |
qschulz | LetoThe2nd: she's afraid of not having one, give her some. | 08:47 |
LetoThe2nd | qschulz: tried that too. lets count it as another failed community work attempt, mkay? | 08:48 |
LetoThe2nd | (she happily wears linux shirts, though) | 08:48 |
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qschulz | LetoThe2nd: who wouldn't it's a damn cute penguin! | 08:50 |
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LetoThe2nd | qschulz: i had my blast from the past this morning, when she picked a tizen one.... | 08:52 |
qschulz | LetoThe2nd: everyone has their flows. | 08:53 |
qschulz | flaws* | 08:53 |
qschulz | well both works | 08:53 |
qschulz | work | 08:53 |
qschulz | damn wednesday morning | 08:53 |
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tenknarf | good day all | 09:04 |
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* LetoThe2nd does not exactly agree so far. | 09:15 | |
* mranostay scrolls up | 09:16 | |
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kriive | Hi guysss, I tried to build a musl based distro with systemd | 09:31 |
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kriive | I'm currently on sumo, and systemd compilation breaks mercilessly with systemd | 09:32 |
rburton | kriive: correct | 09:32 |
rburton | later releases build, but there's a warning that upstream doesn't support it | 09:32 |
rburton | systemd specifically targets glibc | 09:33 |
kriive | Didn't know that! | 09:33 |
kriive | Thank you | 09:34 |
kriive | Guess I will have to drop musl :c what a shame | 09:35 |
rburton | move to a newer release of yocto and it will build but you get told it isn't a supported configuration | 09:35 |
rburton | kriive: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/10130#issuecomment-423893926 | 09:36 |
kriive | Not a problem at all, I will stay safe with glibc, don't wanna deal with unexpected behaviours | 09:36 |
kriive | musl was like a little play experiment of mine | 09:36 |
LetoThe2nd | it has its usecases and it is good we are aware of it, but in my personal opinion it is massively overrated. just like initramfs. | 09:38 |
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kriive | rburton: thank you for the link, I get the point of systemd maintainers and I think it's fair | 09:40 |
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RP | Well, at least the lists of deb and ipk reproducibile differences now match! | 10:07 |
kroon | :-D | 10:09 |
leon | How can I easily extend the meta-ide-support to have all libraries that my image also uses? I would like to have an in-place SDK to prevent having to rebuild a separate SDK. | 10:15 |
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kriive | Where should I put a | 11:05 |
kriive | PACKAGECONFIG_remove_pn-qtbase = " blah blah"? | 11:05 |
kriive | IMAGE.conf? Am I correct? | 11:05 |
LetoThe2nd | there is no image_conf :) | 11:06 |
LetoThe2nd | the .conf of your DISTRO is the most obvious place for this. | 11:06 |
kriive | yeah, right, there is image.bb, the whole machine, distro and image is still a bit foggy lol | 11:08 |
kriive | thank tou | 11:08 |
LetoThe2nd | kriive: well i take it that you have already watched the video that explains it? :) | 11:12 |
kriive | Yup! recipe data is local conf data is global | 11:13 |
LetoThe2nd | kriive: in this specific case it is rather simple, too: if you stick it in the image recipe, it cannot affect what happens in another recipe. but you want to influence qtbase, which comes from another recipe. so, the image.bb file is certainly wrong. | 11:13 |
LetoThe2nd | :) | 11:13 |
kriive | Yeah, that makes sense | 11:14 |
kriive | Image is a recipe, not a config, I need a post-it somewhere ahah | 11:15 |
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Ad0 | rust takes a long time to compile! | 12:04 |
Ad0 | rust-native-1.39.0-r0 do_compile - 1529s and counting | 12:08 |
qschulz | Ad0: tail /proc/<pid>/fd/2 and check if it's still doing something? | 12:09 |
Ad0 | it does, and in true spirit, it finished just as I pasted this! | 12:10 |
qschulz | (or tail ${WORKDIR}/temp/log.do_compile would hopefully be doing the same) | 12:10 |
Ad0 | :D | 12:10 |
Ad0 | Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5930K CPU @ 3.50GHz | 12:10 |
Ad0 | 6 cores, 12 threads | 12:10 |
qschulz | Ad0: are you setting paralell_make somewhere and making it not use the default (which is nproc)? | 12:12 |
Ad0 | no | 12:12 |
Ad0 | it uses all cores | 12:12 |
Ad0 | it just takes time I guess | 12:12 |
qschulz | Ad0: did you check if swapping was used? | 12:14 |
Ad0 | doesn't it only do that if I run out of RAM? | 12:15 |
Ad0 | all cores were @ 100% | 12:15 |
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Ad0 | rust-native is just massive I think | 12:23 |
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gsalazar | Hello, is there any way to have a recipe that is present in the target image but not in the sdk? | 13:25 |
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tgamblin | RP: looks like there weren't any logrotate-related failures on the AB this time? | 13:27 |
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RP | tgamblin: no! :) | 13:44 |
RP | tgamblin: I think it was the other change confusing things, sorry | 13:44 |
RP | tgamblin: interpreting things is proving tricky atm :( | 13:45 |
tgamblin | RP: No worries. I think my patch is still sort of a workaround. I know where the issue seems to be, but I'm unsure if there's anything to be done that is a better fix than what the patch already does | 13:45 |
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RP | tgamblin: I think I'll end up merging it and then we can take any further issues from there | 13:45 |
tgamblin | RP: k | 13:46 |
tlwoerner | (catching the other half of the population...) i've started a gsoc ideas page. feel free to edit, or email me suggestions -> https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/GSoC/Ideas | 13:46 |
RP | tgamblin: in fact I'll do that | 13:47 |
LetoThe2nd | tlwoerner: if i had any real ideas, i would happily add. | 13:48 |
tgamblin | RP: Nifty, thanks | 13:48 |
tlwoerner | LetoThe2nd: thanks! | 13:48 |
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tgamblin | RP: for the record, the issue seems to be that when meta/recipes-core/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/populate-volatile.sh runs, it is sometimes unable to create the wtmp log (filesystem hasn't come out of readonly before the script runs, maybe?). The v3 patch just makes sure to create the file before the test | 13:58 |
rburton | Ad0: rust compilation is slow and rust is built in rust | 14:00 |
rburton | so you're building a complete compiler in a slow-to-compile language | 14:00 |
tgamblin | s/before the test/as the first step in the test/ | 14:00 |
Ad0 | hehe ok | 14:00 |
rburton | there are people moaning about how slow rust is, but the tradeoff it makes is lots of analysis at build time so <shrugs> | 14:02 |
LetoThe2nd | rburton: who cares about sane discussion when complaining is so easy. | 14:04 |
tgamblin | Clearly Rust needs a quick blurb about the time-bandwidth product :) | 14:04 |
* rburton sees that RP signed off a patch properly and faints | 14:04 | |
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RP | rburton: haha :) | 14:13 |
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RP | tgamblin: perhaps its a parallel race in volatiles? the mount point/location the log is may be racing with something which creates that path? | 14:14 |
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tgamblin | RP: Possibly. I'll keep looking at it in the background | 14:16 |
rburton | RP: do the rest of the reproducible builds people understand just how much further we're taking the concept i wonder | 14:18 |
RP | rburton: perhaps not | 14:18 |
rburton | debian mandates a stable host and build paths etc | 14:19 |
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rburton | did your latest patch series sort out all of the reprod issues that were recently filed or are there any left | 14:19 |
RP | rburton: we're about 50% through the issues | 14:20 |
RP | rburton: There are open bugs and a number I haven't filed yet | 14:20 |
rburton | i'l grab one of the open ones once i've written a report | 14:20 |
RP | rburton: good news is the list of issues looks pretty defined now | 14:20 |
RP | rburton: the last builds were quite specific in the issues they showed | 14:20 |
RP | rburton: any help is much appreciated! | 14:21 |
rburton | the perl-cross maintainer is quite responsive, worth copying them to perl-cross and seeing if they know the cause | 14:22 |
nameclash | hi all, is it possible to specify a local directory tree as SRC_URI in a recipe? | 14:23 |
LetoThe2nd | nameclash: not directly. you need to use externalsrc for the desried effect | 14:23 |
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qschulz | nameclash: also depends on why you want to do such a thing. Might be a bad idea :) | 14:28 |
RP | rburton: happy for someone to ask but I think we may be on our own with some of the issues | 14:28 |
RP | rburton: I've sent a summary to oe-core and cc'd you | 14:28 |
rburton | RP: just sent one to perl-cross we never know | 14:28 |
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RP | rburton: the openssl/libidn2/sysvinit ones look simpleish, the others trickier | 14:29 |
rburton | the idn one involves *libtool* | 14:30 |
RP | rburton: simple then! | 14:30 |
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nameclash | LetoThe2nd, qschulz sorry, was interrupted by a collegue... the reason I ask is we maintain our yocto project in a super repo that contains our proprietary layer, among others. our layer points to a bunch of repositories in our code base and we have consistency problems when working on branches | 14:41 |
LetoThe2nd | nameclash: that does not exactly change the fact that you cannot refer to a directory in SRC_URI | 14:42 |
nameclash | the idea of referring to a directory came along with the idea of adding the component repo's as submodules to the meta repo to resolve the consistency problems | 14:46 |
LetoThe2nd | nameclash: no worry, i get the idea. it just doesn't work like that, sorry. | 14:46 |
nameclash | right now, we have recipes pointing at the master branch of the repo and that causes constant headache when the project is under heavy development... | 14:47 |
LetoThe2nd | nameclash: like i said: there is externalsrc to be used for that, we even have the magic there in devtool | 14:48 |
nameclash | I'll look into externalsrc, thanks | 14:49 |
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qschulz | nameclash: I fail to see the consistency problems if one's using shared branches or tags? My company uses externalsrc but I'm not super fond of it | 14:50 |
nameclash | our src uri's look like this: | 14:51 |
qschulz | Using subnmodules + externalsrc, aren't you going to move the consistency problem to the repo conf instead of Yocto? | 14:51 |
nameclash | SRC_URI = "git://HOST/REPO;protocol=http;branch=master;" | 14:52 |
nameclash | so the recipes are fetching master, even if we're on a feature branch on the yocto repo | 14:53 |
nameclash | suppose the feature that's being worked on involves changes in both the yocto repo and the component repo. This meant that the recipe had to refer to: | 14:54 |
qschulz | nameclash: I still don't see it. If you're not using AUTOREV, there is no reason for your sources to change | 14:54 |
nameclash | SRC_URI = "git://HOST/REPO;protocol=http;branch=FEATURE;" | 14:54 |
nameclash | I need to read about autorev to understand your comment, hang on | 14:56 |
qschulz | you want all your recipe to switch to this FEATURE branch? what exactly is your problem? what's your worry? what do you want to improve in your workflow? | 14:56 |
qschulz | nameclash: you most likely don't want autorev so forget about it | 14:56 |
nameclash | ok | 14:57 |
qschulz | nameclash: for reference anyway: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/mega-manual/mega-manual.html#var-AUTOREV | 14:57 |
rburton | RP: diffoscoping the gtk differences now | 14:57 |
qschulz | used to make Yocto always fetch the last commit in a specific branch (or git repo). breaks reproducibility and deterministic builds | 14:57 |
qschulz | nameclash: you want all your recipe to switch to this FEATURE branch? what exactly is your problem? what's your worry? what do you want to improve in your workflow? | 14:58 |
nameclash | kindof, yes | 14:59 |
nameclash | we thought about injecting the branch to get via environment variable but that's likely to cause headache, too | 15:00 |
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qschulz | there was a discussion in the ML in the last month or so on how to do this | 15:01 |
fray_ | what is the default task when you run bitbake foo? is it do_build in foo? | 15:01 |
qschulz | it's a recurring topic | 15:01 |
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rburton | fray: yes | 15:02 |
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nameclash | I thought so, that's why I wanted to ask how its done the right way before walking the dark path.. | 15:02 |
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nameclash | can you provide more detail on how to find that ML thread? | 15:03 |
qschulz | nameclash: http://lists.openembedded.org/pipermail/openembedded-core/2020-January/291082.html | 15:03 |
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nameclash | thanks man, I'll look into it | 15:03 |
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rburton | RP: either try.diffoscope is dying or the gtk libraries just OOMd the tool | 15:10 |
RP | rburton: nice :/ | 15:10 |
RP | rburton: try on just the src to start with? | 15:11 |
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RP | rburton: build/gdk/gdkresources.c differing it seems | 15:28 |
RP | rburton: I suspect you have a better idea than I do on that one | 15:29 |
RP | if the source differs, the binaries will differ so its no doubt from that file | 15:30 |
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RP | rburton: found the tar issue | 15:41 |
rburton | i think the gtk issue is just sorting | 15:41 |
RP | rburton: sometimes its that simple | 15:42 |
RP | rburton: although the size did differ? | 15:43 |
rburton | its the embedded gresource section | 15:43 |
rburton | the tool reports all the same files are in it | 15:43 |
rburton | so i'm wondering if its sorting+padding | 15:43 |
RP | rburton: could be padding | 15:43 |
rburton | the gresource section was the only one that grew | 15:44 |
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RP | rburton: you were so close with the idn2 fix | 15:51 |
rburton | RP: gar | 15:51 |
rburton | should i just have chopped more away | 15:51 |
rburton | hm i forgot to wipe potential whitespace didn't i | 15:52 |
RP | rburton: you removed the -L but not the whitespace | 15:52 |
RP | rburton: right | 15:52 |
rburton | thats quite frustrating! | 15:52 |
RP | rburton: yes, so close! | 15:52 |
kriive | Who is the likely culprit if I get a reboot: not found error after installing the hddimg via EFI? | 15:53 |
RP | rburton: I am slightly concerned it adds/removed the lib path though :/ | 15:54 |
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* zeddii can see the light at the end of his build tunnel. | 16:03 | |
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RP | zeddii: is it daylight or a train though? :) | 16:33 |
RP | bug 13776 is a bit of a mystery. How can a group appear/disappear :/ | 16:33 |
yocti | Bug https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13776 normal, Undecided, ---, unassigned, NEW , sysvinit reproducibility issue (shutdown user leakage) | 16:33 |
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rburton | RP: if you want to look at perl instead of sysv the perl-cross guy replied to my bug | 16:47 |
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RP | rburton: thanks, will have a look | 16:57 |
tenknarf | hey. is there anyone available with knowlege about emmc devices, jdec5.0 | 16:59 |
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rburton | RP: was the gtk repro fail reliable? | 17:17 |
RP | rburton: yes | 17:18 |
RP | rburton: in that we've seen it regularly | 17:19 |
rburton | ok i think i can replicate the failure with constructed files, so i've a simple fix | 17:19 |
rburton | RP: patch on the list. let it sit in next for a bit | 17:25 |
rburton | i'm about 80% confident | 17:25 |
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rburton | <cough> i should write a wrapper for git-send-email to point out i have staged but uncommitted changes before it lets me send | 17:32 |
RP | rburton: thanks! In the context of this commit? | 17:33 |
rburton | yes :) | 17:33 |
rburton | .../gtk+/gtk+3/sort-resources.patch | 19 +++++++++++++++++++ | 17:34 |
rburton | 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+) | 17:34 |
rburton | helpful to commit the .bb change too | 17:34 |
RP | rburton: the commit on list is ok though? | 17:34 |
rburton | RP: i sent a v2 | 17:34 |
RP | rburton: which I'm looking at hence the confusion! :) | 17:34 |
RP | rburton: I think the vairadic thing is dash vs bash | 17:35 |
RP | rburton: trying to confirm now | 17:35 |
rburton | we should bind-mount our own /bin in place so we can really force sh to be bash | 17:36 |
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RP | rburton: confirmed its dash vs bash | 17:43 |
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kergoth | might be doable without root with a new mount namespace? | 18:25 |
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RP | root privs would be the main thing stopping us | 18:37 |
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smurray | I poked around a couple of weeks ago with the thought of trying to prototype something, and there's not obviously a common cross-distro story on unpriviliged namespace / containers that I could find | 18:43 |
sajjad_ | hi all, how to add a command in IMAGE_PREPROCESS_COMMAND after some other command e.g prelink_image? I'm trying to sign rootfs and I want to do it after prelinking but right now it is execute before prelinking with changes executables | 18:47 |
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attieg | evening creich | 19:45 |
attieg | hope you've had a good day? | 19:45 |
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Crofton|road | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LkiEUMgs/ | 20:56 |
Crofton|road | when trying to run bitbake -c menuconfig | 20:56 |
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rokm | Hi, I have one question related to dmcrypt and bitbake | 21:08 |
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rokm | It is still not possible to open luks image due to missing sudo called from recipe ? | 21:09 |
rokm | I explore this topic a little and I found only unanswered questions or answers that it is not possible to use fakeroot because of device mapper subsystem | 21:10 |
rokm | someone something ? | 21:10 |
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rburton | you can't use sudo in a recipe, unless you're really evil | 21:24 |
rburton | if you set up sudo so that it doesn't prompt for a password it might work... | 21:25 |
rokm | but If I want to do this in generic way it seems it is not possible | 21:28 |
rokm | so not as a root | 21:28 |
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attieg | rokm: have you looked in to utilities to access such images in user-space instead? | 22:08 |
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creich | attieg: hi there. any progress on your problem? have been busy all day and was disconnected quite some time, so might have missed some messages | 22:43 |
creich | palate: how's you're project going on? any progress? | 22:43 |
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smurray | Crofton|road: doesn't menuconfig only work on linux-yocto and derivatives like linux-intel? | 22:52 |
Crofton|road | maybe | 22:53 |
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Crofton|road | this is linux-yocto + bbappends, but mayb esomething fussy broke it | 22:53 |
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creich | haven't seen the history of your conversation, but if you guys talk about menuconfig for the kernel, that one should work for every linux kernel | 23:01 |
creich | as far as i can tell | 23:01 |
RP | menuconfig depends on the terminal support which is temperamental and poorly tested :( | 23:01 |
* RP wishes someone would write proper tests | 23:02 | |
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* armpit wish I could read and write | 23:23 | |
khem | armpit: just use write() and read() | 23:25 |
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RP | khem: xlocale.h was dropped in later glibc versions right? | 23:44 |
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