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mcfriskuh, how can += end up replacing the full variable? Added FILE_${PN}-bla += "bla.conf" and result is "WARNING: Variable key ... replaces original key ..." which is good. At least a warning, but I still wonder why doesn't the append work..07:22
LetoThe2ndmcfrisk: hum, related to evaluation time?07:23
erbomcfrisk: is the original assignment done using ?= or ??= =07:23
erbothe last = was supposed to be a ?07:24
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mcfriskI'll check the recipe. Could it be that in bbappend I was using FILES_${PN}-bla and recipe uses FILES_recipename-bla ?07:28
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erbomcfrisk: I don't think that should matter07:32
mcfriskyep, that was it. was not expecting this at all. So ${PN} in variable names changes the evaluation order completely and even += and _append end up overwriting the same variable name set without the ${PN}.07:32
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mcfriskthis on sumo07:33
mcfriske2fsprog is one example where ${PN} is not used in FILES07:34
mcfriske2fsprogs is one example where ${PN} is not used in FILES07:34
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mcfriskbut I'm very happy that I saw the warning.07:37
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Ninic0c0Hello all, Someone knows the better way to pass EXt_DTB option to u-boot ? Thx07:45
LetoThe2nd"better than"?07:48
Ninic0c0LetoThe2nd the best way, sorry for my english :S07:49
erbomcfrisk: seems like e.g. FILES_${PN}-resize2fs_append = " foo" work on zeus, but not FILES_${PN}-resize2fs += "foo"07:50
mcfriskerbo: yes. this odd. or unexpected.07:50
mcfriskI think I07:51
Ninic0c0I would like to add an external dtb to u-boot binary in order to sign it, the the original recipe http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-bsp/u-boot/u-boot.inc?h=master doesn't take EXT_DTB option, so i don't know how to add, maybe rewrite do_compile inside a bbappend but not sure :)07:51
mcfrisk've run to this before, maybe even long time ago..07:51
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mcfriskcan killing bitbake build processes result in large amounts of "is owned by uid 1005, which is the same as the user running bitbake. This may be due to host contamination [host-user-contaminated]" errors from sstate cache? could some data used by pseudo be out of sync if bitbake got killed violently?07:59
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qschulzNinic0c0: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes/uboot-sign.bbclass08:05
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Ninic0c0qschulz Yes I have already take a look here, but this support is not enable directly inside u-boot.bb ?08:22
Ninic0c0Note:  Functions in this bbclass is for u-boot only and i don't use official u-boot recipe :S08:24
qschulzNinic0c0: why are you linking u-boot.inc from the official u-boot recipe then :) ?08:28
Ninic0c0qschulz maybe because u-boot-xlnx require this file :)08:28
qschulzthen you have u-boot-sign inherited08:29
qschulzNinic0c0: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-bsp/u-boot/u-boot.inc?h=master#n808:29
qschulzif you are actually using this .inc and not some from another layer08:29
Ninic0c0qschulz the purpose here is to find the best way to add EXT_DTB to u-boot, yes i'm using this file but as my bootloder recipe is u-boot-xlnx and not u-boot only Yocot doesn't execute this part of code08:30
qschulzNinic0c0: UBOOT_SIGN_ENABLE = 1 in your u-boot-xlnx somewhere?08:36
qschulzhttp://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/classes/uboot-sign.bbclass#n46 so if PREFERRED_PROVIDER_u-boot is "u-boot-xnlx" that should satisfy the if conditions you see in this class08:37
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Ninic0c0qschulz I didn't set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_u-boot, I'm using PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/bootloader. I will search a solution thx for help09:07
qschulzNinic0c0: set both?09:10
Ninic0c0qschulz yes i(m not stupid ^^ But to be honest don't use kernel-fitimage.bbclass so i don't sure that a good idea to use u-boot-sign class, what do you think about that ?09:14
qschulzNinic0c0: how exactly are you checking the kernel/dtb validity from u-boot?09:15
qschulzNinic0c0: (authentication)09:19
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yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Yocto beaglebone wired ssh <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60947142/yocto-beaglebone-wired-ssh>09:30
Ninic0c0qschulz I have done all the process outside Yocto. I mean RSA keys are used to create the fit image (with custom bbclass) I would like to create a bbappend or an other class to uses same keys to generate a dtb with key hash only, based on a dummy file u-boot_pubkey.dts09:32
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Mani88Hello Yocto Guys10:02
Mani88i have a really short and simple question:10:02
LetoThe2nd"where is the free beer="10:02
LetoThe2ndyeah i keep asking the same too!10:03
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Mani88I have a really simple or may be complicated question. I want to install python3.7 with Yocto Sumo. I know Yocot Warrior offers python3.7 but how can I upgrade my python3.5 to Python3.7 in Yocto Sumo.It would be really nice of you If you could help me with this.10:06
LetoThe2ndMani88: in a nutshell, if you have to ask then you can not. this is a rather heavy and troublesome backport.10:07
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fawadGuys! I am using yocto:sumo and I would like to compile and install python3.7 on the target. Is there any straight-forward way to do that?10:13
LetoThe2ndfawad: go ask Mani88, he's sitting right next to you probably. you can team up!10:13
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fawadI am all alone in quarantine atm10:14
fawadI am all alone in self quarantine atm10:14
LetoThe2nd10:07 < LetoThe2nd> *lesigh*10:15
LetoThe2nd10:07 < LetoThe2nd> https://twitter.com/TheYoctoJester/status/124471688312485068910:15
LetoThe2nd10:07 < LetoThe2nd> Mani88: in a nutshell, if you have to ask then you can not. this is a rather heavy and troublesome backport.10:15
LetoThe2ndfawad: same applies for you then.10:15
fawadand sorry to bother you LetoThe2nd!10:16
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fawadI guess it might be better to use upgraded version and fix the versions for kernel and other stuff.10:16
LetoThe2ndfawad: yep.10:17
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emriusHey, I'm trying to integrate package feeding through smart/rpm int my image (https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/TipsAndTricks/EnablingAPackageFeed). Seems like this is outdated or lacks some information but I can't find `smart`, `smartrpm`, `smartpm` (all of these seems to be somewhere out there) in any layer or any recent information about those10:19
emriuspackages. What layer do I need to add and what recipe to I have to `IMAGE_INSTALL_append`?10:19
LetoThe2ndemrius: something dnf, probably.10:20
qschulzfawad: technically you could still have your old kernel versions with *hopefully* only a few changes in the recipe. So, if you're only using your own kernel and u-boot, upgrading should be rather easy and the way to go IMHO10:20
emriusah okay. So dnf replaced smart?10:20
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LetoThe2ndno idea, i'm an ipk guy :)10:21
qschulzemrius: dnf is used on Fedora and it can install rpm AFAIK (basically replaces yum)10:22
emriusI see ;)  okay I'll give it a try and probably drop some info on stackoverflow in case others stumble across the same issue10:22
qschulzemrius: wait10:22
qschulzare you on a release prior to Jethro?10:23
qschulzemrius: ^10:23
qschulzbecause the IMAGE_INSTALL seems to apply only to pre-Jethro releases from the wiki10:24
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spieldoes libstdc++ get included in the core-image-minimal by default?10:26
spielrunning cross-compiled binary on target. I get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6:10:28
kroonspiel, no you need to add it explicitly10:28
LetoThe2ndspiel: it does not.10:28
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FrazerClewshi, does anyone know how i can disable the password for the root user on a yocto build?10:50
LetoThe2ndFrazerClews: blunt: EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES += "debug-tweaks", as noted in the default local.conf10:51
emriusqschulz sorry, I just read your message. I'm on warrior. Hence, post-jethro10:51
qschulzemrius: so read carefully the wiki you linked :)10:51
LetoThe2ndFrazerClews: more finegrained, look at image.bbclass and pick the triggerd parts that you actually need.10:51
qschulzIf it does not work, then there's something to update in the wiki page and/or help you debug it10:51
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emriusYeah, I actually read the passage that this does not seem required. But when I started the image `smart` was not available.10:52
FrazerClewsLetoThe2nd thanks10:52
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qschulzemrius: so the question is more, that's the package manager for rpm on the target :D10:58
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nacknickHi. Is twice `do_install_append()` inside a recipe correct?10:59
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shoraganhas anyone tried -c populate_sdk with package_deb? it explodes in strange ways for me11:01
qschulznacknick: as many as you want11:01
LetoThe2ndshoragan: KABUM! <3 <3 <311:02
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qschulzLetoThe2nd: that is indeed a strange sound11:02
mcfriskhmm, glibc. should I update to stable branch from git in sumo...11:02
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LetoThe2ndKABUM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub4VArS_xWk11:04
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LetoThe2ndespecially, https://youtu.be/ub4VArS_xWk?t=24211:06
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yannI have a strange-looking shared-state reuse failure on sumo.  I've rsync'd my sstate from CI server as usual, and "bitbake -n <my-image>" starts to show it wants to rebuild tons of stuff.  Taking the kernel as example, comparing one by one the sigdata extracted from both envs using "-S none", bitbake-diffsigs on do_package.sigdata files show nothing (only on do_build.sigdata does rm_work_all introduce some "noise").  Yet bitbake fetch/.../compile/...:package12:06
yannmy kernel.  What am I missing ?12:06
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RPyann: I'd try bitbake -DDDv and save the logs, then look at the section where it looks for sstate artefacts and see what its not finding12:18
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yannthere are a number of stampfiles listed as "notavailable", for my linux-rockchip it lists do_package_write_ipk_setscene, do_shared_workdir, do_deploy, and more; and complains about missing matchint .tgz's in sstate-cache.  The first meaningful line seems to be "Cache: .../linux-rockchip_4.4.bb's dependency .../poky/meta/recipes-kernel/linux/linux-yocto.inc changed", though it does not make sense that this file would change :|12:36
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moustafaI am trying to run some application automatically at booting13:19
moustafaI've written some scripts to run it and I wrote another echo message to know it works or not13:20
moustafait echo the message well but still couldn't run the application13:20
moustafai am try to run at Wayland13:20
moustafaany help ?13:21
LetoThe2ndmoustafa: and what way of scripting did you try?13:22
qschulzAny error message? What's the line which you think is failing? Can you share your init script? etc... :)13:22
qschulzLetoThe2nd: you have a few usain bolt instead of fingers I see13:22
moustafaqtapp -platform wayland doen't work13:23
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moustafashould I type my script here ?13:23
moustafaline by line or there are some repository to upload it13:23
qschulzno, a pastebin is usually the correct way to share 3+ lines of code13:23
qschulzmoustafa: have you tried running on of the qt examples?13:24
moustafait works well at terminal13:24
moustafaafter booting13:24
qschulzok, that is important information13:24
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moustafai typed checked msg : echo "hello script" >> /usr/share/test.txt before that line13:25
moustafaand it works well13:25
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LetoThe2ndthe key point is (probably) that when you're in the terminal, all of the boot process is finished and all the environment is set up. which might not be true depending on the way you run your script.13:31
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LetoThe2ndso find out why it fails. read error messages.13:34
moustafaok could u tell me how I can echo the error messages ?13:34
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LetoThe2ndagain, depends on the way you do your scripts.13:36
rburtoni think a good start would be to say how you're running this script on boot13:36
rburtonis it a sysv-style init script? a systemd unit?13:36
* LetoThe2nd feels like handholding and doing somebody elses homework13:36
RPLetoThe2nd: can you do mine? please? :)13:37
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LetoThe2ndRP: is it on sumo? otherwise its not cool. all the cool kids are using sumo these days!13:38
RPLetoThe2nd: what's sumo? ;-)13:38
LetoThe2ndRP: https://twitter.com/TheYoctoJester/status/124471688312485068913:39
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RPLetoThe2nd: sad, but probably true13:41
LetoThe2ndRP: cue https://youtu.be/A8MO7fkZc5o13:41
moustafarburton it's sysv init scripts13:41
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nayfeHi, First, I hope you're all fine and safe. Second, I'm trying to reorganize our CI environment, and I'm wondering which folders I can share between simultaneous builds, regarding different yocto versions (zeus/dunfell) & different machines? Is it ok for source mirror and sstate-cache? or should I separate them? Is there any good-practices document or live example on yocto CI ?13:47
JPEWnayfe: Sharing sstate between different branches should be (and from expirence) is safe13:49
Ninic0c0nayfe According to my experience you can share downloads and sstate-cache folder, I have done that with 12 different machines13:49
LetoThe2ndJPEW: for simultaneous builds with concurrent write access? i'm surprised.13:50
qschulzmoustafa: still no script for us :) ? Otherwise, just redirect the output to a file. Something like qtapp 2&>1 or whatever is the correct way to redirect all outputs and errors to a file. But I think you should have some errors in the bootlog (except if it fails silently :/)13:52
JPEWLetoThe2nd: It doesn't work perfectly. Our ci builds pull from the sstate mirror and then rsync it back when they are done13:52
LetoThe2ndJPEW: ah, that sounds more like what i expected, indeed.13:53
JPEWLetoThe2nd: And we have a script we run that "sanitizes" it by removing .tgz files missing a .siginfo and vis-versa13:53
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JPEWOh, and a cron job that deletes the whole thing every Friday night ;)13:54
RPJPEW: you can have siginfo only for non-sstate tasks13:55
JPEWRP: Hmm, that error is odd13:59
JPEWIt looks like the do_patch datastore finalization is racing with the do_unpack postfunc14:00
yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Trying to add nodejs and npm (or yarn) to a yocto image (poky:zeus) <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60952139/trying-to-add-nodejs-and-npm-or-yarn-to-a-yocto-image-pokyzeus>14:01
nayfeDoesn't seems straightforward then ;)14:02
RPJPEW: I haven't had a chance to look in detail as yet14:02
nayfeJPEW thanks for details, any reason to rebuild sstate-cache every week?14:07
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qschulznayfe: so you detect errors when there's no sstate-cache available (which is probably be the case of your clients). Some races etc... I remember few years ago it was recommended to release only after a sstate-cache, so you know everything worked from a fresh clean build. Don't know the recommendations now..14:10
nayfeqschulz> Ok, it makes sense for people releasing yocto layers to their clients, thanks14:12
qschulzso many missing words in my sentence *sigh*14:13
nayfeIt's ok for me, i'm better in french language ;)14:15
qschulzBen on est deux tiens14:15
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yannRP: trying to diff the -DDDv logs, but even with SDL BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "1" on both sides, the lines are not sorted the same - any way to counter that ?14:37
FrazerClewsLetoThe2nd, from what you said before about disabling the password for root, it seems to only make the password empty, is there anyway to remove it?14:39
LetoThe2ndFrazerClews: in the meaning of?14:40
FrazerClewsLetoThe2nd> FrazerClews: blunt: EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES += "debug-tweaks", as noted in the default local.conf14:40
FrazerClewsLetoThe2nd> FrazerClews: more finegrained, look at image.bbclass and pick the triggerd parts that you actually need.14:40
LetoThe2ndFrazerClews: yeah i know what i typed, but what different behaviour do you expect from a "removed" password in comparison to an "empty" one?14:41
LetoThe2ndis it about disabling root login?14:42
RPyann: I didn't say to diff them, I suggested looking at which objects it wasn't finding14:43
yannI know, but I do like diffing :)14:44
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FrazerClewsLetoThe2nd yes14:49
yannstrangely though, now I don't have the same "missing" messages I saw this morning any more - after only running "bitbake -n" and not touching the sstate externally14:51
LetoThe2ndFrazerClews: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/FAQ:How_do_I_set_or_change_the_root_password together with usermod -l, presumably.14:53
qschulzFrazerClews: empty-root-password should not be in IMAGE_FEATURES as well from the code I read14:53
yannah no they are still there, just not in sa same order as before, which brings us back to the "predictable order" problem :)14:53
yannI don't have the "linux-yocto.inc changed" line any more, though14:54
FrazerClewsthanks LetoThe2nd, i will give that a go and see if it fixes it14:55
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yannRP: do you have precise patterns to look for in the log ?14:59
yannthe thing that seem reliable in the logs is the "/stamps/.*not available$", but I'm not sure now best to dig into those15:02
alejandrohsYPTM: joined15:03
smurrayYPTM: Scott Murray is on15:04
yann(and the matching missing sstate lines)15:04
dl9pfYPTM: Jan-Simon is on15:06
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yanndo'h - I was using the wrong sstate-cache all along, sorry for the noise :|15:27
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dreynaYPTM: thank you Trevor for taking notes!15:36
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yoctiNew news from stackoverflow: Beaglebone dcan0 and dcan1 <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60954439/beaglebone-dcan0-and-dcan1>16:01
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JPEWnayfe: We erase it once a week to keep it from growing unboundly16:30
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nayfeJPEW> sstate-cache-management script is not enough?16:38
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JPEWnayfe: Not sure.... we have 60 parallel builds across 4 different Yocto verisons, so it would be hard to coordinate16:43
emriusHello together, I'm running qemux86-64. I built a core-image-base which successfully ran on branch thud. Now, I moved to warrior and after kicking off qemu it gets stuck at  Waiting for root device `/dev/mmcblk0p2...`. Does anybody have an ad hoc idea why?16:44
emriusSorry, wrong dashes. But you got it probably `Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p2...`16:44
RPyann: sorry, been in meetings but glad you're sorted16:44
yannnp, I understand better why I could not find any clue in the logs :)16:45
yannwell, being able to diff them would definitly have pointed out the sstate discrepancy16:45
yannany idea on how to make this more deterministic ?16:46
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shoraganwhen doing populate_sdk with debs i get "apt-dev : Depends: apt (= 1.2.31-r0) but it is not going to be installed" and similar also for dpkg.17:24
shoraganit works fine for ipkg and rpm17:24
shoragani'm trying to compare what deb does vs ipkg, but haven't found anything obvious yet.17:25
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nayfeJPEW> wow that's a lot! :)17:35
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rburtonshoragan: file a bug and just use ipkg :)17:54
shoraganrburton, if it was up to me, i'd use ipkg ;)17:55
shoragannot ready to give up yet ;)17:56
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FrazerClewshi im currently linting my work, i have been using oelint-adv https://github.com/priv-kweihmann/oelint-adv, but just saw theres a oe-stylize.py in meta-openembedded, does anyone know if one is better than the other, or are they both good at different things?18:25
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clopezany way to check if a bbclass its available before calling inherit? to avoid a parse error18:50
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armpitnot a check. I have used DISTRO_FEATURES to or some other variable to include. Maybe a python function may do the trick18:57
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Marexhey uh , is there a preferred way to handle firmware symlinks ? Basically cypress has this https://github.com/murata-wireless/cyw-fmac-nvram which is not part of linux-firmware , so I am trying to package it19:26
Marexbut they have brcmfmac43455-sdio.1LC.txt and brcmfmac43455-sdio.1MW.txt in there and the kernel driver expects only one of them called brcmfmac43455-sdio.txt19:26
Marexso I want to make that brcmfmac43455-sdio.txt a symlink to one of the two, but I would like to have the option to have packages for both19:26
MarexI guess I need some runtime symlink creation ... hm, is update-alternatives actually an option ?19:27
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smurrayMarex: that's the only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head, yeah19:58
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Marexsmurray: except that only works between recipes (i.e. if a recipe packages a file, which is also packaged by another recipe)20:01
smurrayMarex: ah, hadn't realized that20:01
moto-timoRP: v2 submitted for install-buildtools20:07
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nhartmanI'm trying to use tc on a target. I built iproute2 and installed it on the target but there's no tc binary20:12
mischiefdid you add iproute2-tc package20:17
Marexnhartman: see tmp/work/*/iproute*/*/package-split20:18
nhartmanwhen I try build iproute2-tc I get `ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'iproute2-tc'`20:18
nhartman`Close matches:20:18
nhartman  iproute220:18
nhartman  iproute2 RPROVIDES iproute2-tc20:18
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mischiefyou must build iproute2 which creates an iproute2-tc package20:20
nhartmanOhhh, I see. Gotcha thanks!20:21
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RPmoto-timo: thanks, much appreciated21:05
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tlwoerneryocto/oe-related talks from linaro tech days:21:27
tlwoernerxen-based arm autonomy stack using yocto: https://youtu.be/CCm7yC2rBP8?t=1050021:27
tlwoerneryocto tricks and hacks: https://youtu.be/CCm7yC2rBP8?t=1479321:28
tlwoerneryocto project long term support: https://youtu.be/CCm7yC2rBP8?t=1768621:28
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RPmoto-timo: I think I'm getting confused. Right now 4.8 does work, we haven't dropped the 4.8/4.9 support yet21:56
RPmoto-timo: I'm tweaking on -next as the AB exploded :/21:57
RPmoto-timo: we will need this check soon, just maybe not quite yet21:57
RPwe do need the installer though21:57
moto-timoRP: I thought the whole point was Centos-7 (4.8.5) is broken... why else did we do all this?22:09
* moto-timo not a gcc expert22:10
moto-timoRP: i was just getting ready to send poky.conf update and noticed you beat me to it :)22:14
moto-timoRP: maybe it was just getting very painful (thinking alex) to patch for centos-722:16
moto-timoRP: I don't know anymore. brain == mush22:16
smurrayI notice from zeus->master qemu remote X support now fails due it wanting MIT-SHM, anyone know right off of a configuration tweak to get it working as before?22:21
RPmoto-timo: We already have to use buildtools on centos due to python verison issues and tar. I know 4.8 is getting really hard to support22:26
RPmoto-timo: I think I'm fuzzy on all the details now too, too much going on :/22:26
moto-timoRP: I guess I'll leave weaker language in the docs then ;)22:27
RPmoto-timo: I just hacked poky.conf since I was there. The dependency issues probably still need documenting22:28
moto-timoRP: I've got the dependency issues covered. just sanity checking the docs in html and pdf form22:28
RPmoto-timo: we did test with buildtools tarball on centos so I guess we could switch to it but its probably less risky to leave things as they are for release now22:28
RP(with gcc min version)22:29
moto-timoRP: something about crypt.h ? something something...22:29
RPmoto-timo: you know what else we need in there? A gcc too new check :/22:31
moto-timoRP: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder-helper/commit/config.json?id=af71a12919b78f42a94c7ca4ac1fd3ccb1112dd522:31
moto-timoRP: I thought about that... what to test it on?22:31
* moto-timo scratches head22:31
moto-timotumbleweed? arch?22:31
RPmoto-timo: well, when the time comes we at least have codehooks22:31
RPmoto-timo: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky/commit/?id=06972e2d4d87f56ffed187f1c9659313c09f4396 - we fixed the crypt issue so that should be in M3's buildtools22:32
moto-timotlwoerner: lol22:32
moto-timoRP: ah-ha. I have been living under a rock.22:33
RPmoto-timo: I guess the question is do we drop gcc 4.X support from 3.1 or not22:34
* moto-timo happy to drop one more worry from queue22:34
moto-timoRP: that was where I thought we were, but again -- not an expert22:35
RPWe have all the mechanism in place, just a question of whether we do it22:35
RPWe wanted to do it, we're just quite late22:35
moto-timoRP: I'd be happier knowing specifically what was broken like to old sanity.bbclass gcc checks did (rburton et al)22:35
moto-timoRP: agreed.22:35
RPmoto-timo: I think it breaks as soon as we start dropping gcc 4.X patches to hack things to build22:35
RPmoto-timo: these changes and tarball will be key to supporting LTS in the future so it all needed to be done22:36
moto-timoRP: indeed. Happy to have done it.22:36
moto-timoRP: could use a little bit of refactoring and elegance, but ... it works22:37
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RPmoto-timo: applies to so much of the codebase ;-)22:38
moto-timoRP: lol22:38
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moto-timobeeetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice22:47
rburtonMarex: if you didn't get a response then yeah update-alternatives is probably wise22:47
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moto-timorburton: RP and I were just discussing the old gcc checks that were once in sanity.bbbclass...22:48
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RPJPEW: I think that code is expanding SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH before MLPREFIX is set :/22:58
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RPJPEW: I think we need to set some kind of sentinel at the end of parsing so it knows when to attempt reading form the file. Alternatively, why is build_dependencies() calling it when its in BB_HASHBASE_WHITELIST23:04
RPanyhow, time to slkeep23:04
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