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| kanavin_home1 | RP: has the matchbox-wm crash been observed with sysvinit actually? In all failure links I have seen, it happens only with systemd | 09:33 |
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| kanavin_home1 | I have read through the code, and: | 09:33 |
| kanavin_home1 | a) startup notification does not handle errors, and instead proceed directly to accessing a struct member ---> crash | 09:34 |
| kanavin_home1 | (boo!) | 09:34 |
| kanavin_home1 | b) the only way the error can happen where it does is if the X server can't allocated memory | 09:34 |
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| kanavin_home1 | I suspect that because systemd starts everything at once, there is a brief situation where memory is exhausted | 09:35 |
| kanavin_home1 | rburton: ^^^ | 09:35 |
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| RP | kanavin_home1: We have seen it with both sysvinit and systemd, its more common with systemd | 10:40 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: Its an interesting theory, you could be right | 10:40 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I wonder if we can add some error handling to confirm the hypothesis? | 10:41 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: we will only get a BadRequest error code from the X server | 10:42 |
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| kanavin_home1 | RP: what I am doing now is starting 20 qemux86-64-alt builds, with RAM bumped to 1Gb :) | 10:43 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: ah, yay X error handling :/ | 10:43 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: I wonder if systemd has a facility for tracking RAM usage during boot, that would be handy | 10:43 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: interesting. I wonder how many other errors you'll find! | 10:43 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: with overcommit, tracking memory usage is rather hard :/ | 10:44 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: if you do find a failure where systemd is not used, pls share the link :) | 10:45 |
| kanavin_home1 | all the links in the bug are systemd | 10:45 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I think these only fail when the system is under load, the systemd boot times are always about twice as long on the failed builds. Another reproduction approach may be to pin multiple qemu images to a single core and boot all together | 10:45 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: will do if I see one | 10:46 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: here's why I think it's OOM: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/dix/atom.c#n72 | 10:48 |
| kanavin_home1 | all the error paths are due to not being able to allocate or reallocate memory | 10:48 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: Is there some other error we could tweak this to for debugging? | 10:49 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: its definitely a good theory | 10:49 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: we could patch xserver to do something else in these error paths that would show up in the AB failure logs | 10:50 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: right, that could be useful | 10:51 |
| kanavin_home1 | like, oh, exit loudly | 10:51 |
| kanavin_home1 | and abruptly | 10:51 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: even dumping something into the syslog that parselogs would pick up would be enough | 10:51 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: right, the test build with more RAM succeeded https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/109/builds/976 | 10:52 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: now let me start 20 of those at once :D | 10:53 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I don't think it will help since they'll all get farmed to individual workers | 10:53 |
| RP | and if it is load specific there is nothing else running | 10:53 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: right, but they still fail sporadically even then? | 10:53 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I've not seen a failure with a "normal" boot time | 10:53 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I can run a master-next in parallel with your test? | 10:54 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: wait, but where do you see that the boot time is not normal? e.g. here everything looks normal to me https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/72/builds/2095/steps/8/logs/step5c | 10:55 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I think "normal" is the NFSD messages at around 3s | 10:55 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: the failures are all with NFSD at 5-8s | 10:56 |
| RP | approximately | 10:56 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: we can try it, if we have a master-next in parallel that will give a reasonable load to the systems | 10:56 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: right - sure let's try that | 10:56 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: after that we can patch xserver, and you can carry that patch in -next without merging it maybe | 10:57 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: that works | 10:57 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: just tell me when we're ready for the -next. Timing may be tricky since a-full takes a short while to get going but you want your builds running first | 10:58 |
| RP | (or you can start the -next actually :) ) | 10:58 |
| kanavin_home1 | oh, you can just start it now? | 10:58 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: ok | 10:59 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: its away | 10:59 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: right, I'll start firing the test builds once builds are underway across workers | 11:01 |
| kanavin_home1 | for better measure, I can start 20 increase-RAM builds, and 20 regular builds | 11:01 |
| kanavin_home1 | if we get no failures in the first set, but failures in the second, that adds to the theory | 11:01 |
| kanavin_home1 | it's a rainy day, otherwise I'd be cycling :) | 11:02 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: btw, bind updates were sent I think, will you be picking those separately? | 11:03 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: more work is needed on the series, failed testing | 11:05 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: you should fire now before it gets going? | 11:05 |
| kanavin_home1 | firing now | 11:05 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: it forked out so most workers were "taken" :/ | 11:06 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: Its supposed to be rainy here but actually looks quite nice out... | 11:07 |
| RP | Still, a rest would probably be good for me | 11:07 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: I fired 12 builds before it started throttling https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/109 | 11:12 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: cool | 11:15 |
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| RP | kanavin_home1: all green | 11:43 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: the other set should be interesting | 11:44 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: yes, watching that too :) | 11:45 |
| kanavin_home1 | would be disappointing if that is all green too | 11:45 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: could be there isn't enough load from master-next, there isn't much delta there | 11:47 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: I am making a patch meanwhile | 11:47 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: all green. I'll now test a patch that always crashes X, then adjust it to crash only when mallocs fail, and send | 12:02 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: sounds. Shame on all green but this is the fun of intermittent bugs :/ | 12:03 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: For interest I tried 6 core-image-sato -c testimage in paralellel, all pinned to the same cpu core. Didn't fail | 12:16 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: right, it is fiendishly tricky to create the exact conditions where it does fail - if my theory is right, all startup items need to be at exact spots where they consume the most amount of memory at the same time :-/ | 12:19 |
| Letothe2nd | Spirit532: if you are still around, my guess is that you do += inside the appends and are hving problems with the expansion/evaluation order. yet another reason why i strongly recommend custom images over appending, and even more so over appending a base images. | 12:23 |
| Letothe2nd | Spirit532: have fun. | 12:23 |
| RP | kanavin_home1: I'll try again with core-image-sato-sdk and systemd instead of sysvinit | 12:34 |
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| kanavin_home1 | RP: meanwhile this patch was supposed to cause a fail but didnt http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/commit/?h=akanavin/make-x-crash&id=c10c796c4ec42d006b55f07325461367557da4b6 | 12:43 |
| kanavin_home1 | RP: I need to dig deeper and observe what is actually happening, rather than just read source code :-/ | 12:44 |
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| RP | kanavin_home1: hmm, looks like we're still missing some element of this | 13:25 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: system load of 498, world build in progress and seven systemd core-image-sato or sato-sdk images and no segv :/ | 14:14 |
| kanavin_home | RP: I found why I couldn't get X to "error out" - it actually did, but this wasnt noticed by tests | 14:16 |
| RP | kanavin_home: I've wondered about that, unless parse_logs sees a segv, they probably don't notice :( | 14:17 |
| kanavin_home | printing to stdout/stderr seems to be simply discarded, so I am using X logging to write to Xorg.log instead, just checking now | 14:18 |
| kanavin_home | RP: the reason why X quitting wasn't noticed is that it is run by xinit, and xinit doesnt notice that Xorg has turned into a zombie process | 14:19 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: and the runtime test is using ps| grep X kind of thing, which succeeds even if Xorg is a zombie | 14:19 |
| RP | kanavin_home: ah, that would explain it. We could do with improving that then... | 14:23 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: right, I got the failure to be properly reported https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/109/builds/1020 | 14:47 |
| kanavin_home | will now adjust the patch to report it only in spots where we want to see it :) | 14:47 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: patch sent | 15:04 |
| RP | kanavin_home: Thanks, I've run a quick build containing it. I'll keep it in -next and see where we end up | 15:30 |
| kanavin_home | RP: right, the failure should occur together with the matchbox-wm crash, and if it doesnt then we need to consider other possibilities | 15:33 |
| RP | kanavin_home: we probably should have done this on a revision known to show the bug too :/ | 15:38 |
| RP | Its in theory possible something fixed it :/ | 15:39 |
| kanavin_home | RP: my idea was that this is kept in -next until the bug shows up again | 15:43 |
| RP | kanavin_home: agreed, just thinking out loud | 15:45 |
| kanavin_home | RP: the most recent failure was here I think https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/83/builds/1092 | 15:48 |
| kanavin_home | less than 24 hours ago :) | 15:48 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: right, we've seen it a lot recently | 15:58 |
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| mumptai | hi | 20:10 |
| mumptai | just a meta-technical question: is there a good way to freeze multiple similar builds? | 20:12 |
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