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| Angs | I am very new to Yocto and have never used it yet. When you build your on Linux distribution via Yocto, does that mean that I should maintain the distribution such as security updates, all the updates of the packages that the distro uses by myself? If it is the case, when one compares Yocto vs a regular Linux Distro. Yocto is more efficient, but requires resource allocation (time, effort) to use it commercially (updates, etc.)? | 07:08 |
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| mckoan | Angs: yes | 07:12 |
| mckoan | Angs: that's because Yocto generates an embedded OS and not a general purpose one | 07:12 |
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| Angs | mckoan, I might use it on an embedded platform. Our device is Internet connected. If we want to keep it up to date (repos, security patches), then do I understand correct that we would need to set-up an update server and manually maintain it? | 07:18 |
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| Angs | It sounds like Yocto is efficient for offline devices for one time OS building, but for Internet connected devices, you should allocate resources to maintain your own distro as a trade-off | 07:20 |
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| mckoan | Angs: the update management is the same as for 'normal' OSes | 07:26 |
| mckoan | Angs: I mean the required effort | 07:26 |
| mckoan | Angs: and you have several components that can help you to do that: SWupdate, Mender, Balena, FullMetalUpdate, etc. | 07:27 |
| mckoan | https://koansoftware.com/software-updates/ | 07:27 |
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| Angs | thank you | 07:28 |
| Ninic0c0 | Hello all, What's the best way to debug license trouble ? ( I got Exception: NameError: name 'image_license_manifest' is not defined on core-image-minimal) dunfell branch. Thx :) | 07:29 |
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| LetoThe2nd | Angs: to extend what mckoan just explained, there are actually companies which will provide that service that you juest described - enabling you to roll out a yocto based distribution and provide security updates, possibly even as a package feed that your devices can consume. | 07:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | Ninic0c0: one would start out by preparing a proper description on how to reproduce that so others can follow :) | 07:38 |
| Angs | good point, thank you. | 07:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | Angs: so having said that, there are of course always other options, like canonical also offers a distribution for conencted devices. best is really to gather your requirements, the expected life span and support time frame, etc, etc, and then make an educated choice. | 07:41 |
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| mcfrisk | with zeus, and leaving "bitbake -e foo | less" open I often get an endless stream of "Broken pipe[Errno 32]" to the console. Is there a race or bug in bitbake or client/server communication? | 07:50 |
| mcfrisk | if I kill KnottyUI process then this stops | 07:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | mcfrisk: i've seen that in other contexts too, yes. | 07:52 |
| mcfrisk | oh, this was actually on dunfell | 07:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | me on dunfell/master, but i suspected it was triggered by evil magic i had later in the pipes like sed and awk | 07:53 |
| mcfrisk | I had just "bitbake -e linux-yocto | less" open for 12 hours and after quitting less I get this spam | 07:54 |
| mcfrisk | using Debian 10 container to build yocto, if that matters | 07:55 |
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| LetoThe2nd | have you already tried to isolate if it is a regression in poky? e.g., checkout zeus or warrior on the same build instance and giving that a try? | 07:59 |
| mcfrisk | I'll try | 07:59 |
| LetoThe2nd | thx | 08:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | for the record, i tried with bc instead of linux-yocto and no additional layers. | 08:01 |
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| srijan_root | Hello everyone, I am trying to build a recipe for elasticsearch. Although I have mentioned a https file in the .bb file | 08:49 |
| srijan_root | SRC_URI = "https://artifacts.elastic.co/downloads/${BPN}/${BPN}-${PV}.tar.gz;name=tarball | 08:49 |
| srijan_root | But it is failing as it is sending a HTTP request | 08:49 |
| srijan_root | --2020-07-23 07:54:41-- https://artifacts.elastic.co/downloads/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-6.10.0.tar.gzResolving artifacts.elastic.co (artifacts.elastic.co)... 2a04:4e42:42::734, 199.232.22.222Connecting to artifacts.elastic.co (artifacts.elastic.co)|2a04:4e42:42::734|:443... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not | 08:49 |
| srijan_root | Found2020-07-23 07:54:42 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 08:49 |
| qschulz | srijan_root: open the link yourself and you'll see :) | 08:50 |
| srijan_root | Yeah done that and it's downloading properly | 08:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | If i paste the link into a browser i get the same, so.. probably you have to fix it :) | 08:51 |
| srijan_root | Ok let me check again | 08:51 |
| srijan_root | This is the link https://artifacts.elastic.co/downloads/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-6.8.10.tar.gz | 08:52 |
| qschulz | srijan_root: so PV should be 6.8.10 and not 6.10.0 ;) | 08:53 |
| srijan_root | qschulz: Ooops missed that totally. Thank you qschulz!!! | 08:54 |
| qschulz | srijan_root: also... isn't that version already outdated? I see on the download page that 7.8 is out but weirdly enough they have x86 OR aarch64 **tarball** | 08:54 |
| srijan_root | qschulz: it's a bit outdated, for sure. But I think that is what is supported by Graylog2. Which is the next one I am planning to build | 08:56 |
| srijan_root | Graylog 3.x does not work with Elasticsearch 7.x! | 08:57 |
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| yoctorider | hello everyone | 12:35 |
| yoctorider | is there a way to display the yocto version on the target? (it shows the yocto version on startup but suppose I clear the terminal and want to see the yocto version, how to do that?) | 12:36 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yoctorider: /etc/os_release | 12:39 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: almost time to RT yourself for letting people know you'll stream tonight! https://twitter.com/TheYoctoJester/status/1280866063740211201?s=20 | 12:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: yup but I actually wanted wait one mor hour or so. | 12:50 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: you can retweet without quoting, and then retweet saying "Going live now!" :D | 12:50 |
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| LetoThe2nd | not a bad idea, indeed. | 12:51 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: I'm looking forward watching the stream, it's a topic I wanted to lightly tackle in my company so looking for inspiration :) | 12:51 |
| LetoThe2nd | ah, thats the true reason :) | 12:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | content-wise i don't think there's news for you in there. at most the line of explanations i'm going to use | 12:52 |
| qschulz | You never know :) | 12:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | well i prepared one minor surprise which you hopefully like or might find inspiring. but for old dogs in the business like you, certainly nothing enlightening. | 12:54 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: having read your blog post on 10th anniversary of YP... should I call you an ancient dog in the business then :D? | 12:58 |
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| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: feel free to do so. | 13:00 |
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| * qschulz waves at LetoThe2nd | 14:51 | |
| qschulz | bad timing... | 14:52 |
| qschulz | no I do not | 14:52 |
| qschulz | (hear your mic) | 14:52 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: got some noise! | 14:53 |
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| LetoThe2nd | will start 2 minutes late, sorry | 15:00 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: omw to asking a refund | 15:02 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: yes | 15:04 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: I'm not sure but probably variables should be python-valid and that is the only limitation? (e.g. no leading number or use of - (dash)) | 15:12 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: += first, it's a simpler concept IMO | 15:13 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: .= and =. also :p | 15:13 |
| rangergord | Kinda off-topic, but would you still use Yocto over a lightweight server distro (Debian, Ubuntu Server, Red Hat/CentOS) if your "embedded" hardware was Intel Atom and 2GB of RAM? (and you barely use 25% of system sources) | 15:16 |
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| LetoThe2nd | bitbake -e example | awk '/^# \$FOOBAR \[/,/^FOOBAR/' | 15:25 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: what's your MACHINE in local.conf? | 15:34 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: isn't it qemux86_64? | 15:34 |
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| Konsgnx1 | Is the stream live currently? | 15:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | yes | 15:37 |
| qschulz | Konsgnx1: yes | 15:37 |
| Konsgnx1 | very cool. | 15:37 |
| qschulz | Konsgnx1: https://www.twitch.tv/theyoctojester | 15:37 |
| Konsgnx1 | yup, on it now | 15:37 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: FOOBAR_<override> will override FOOBAR and FOOBAR_append/FOOBAR_prepend (it's built differently basically). It's not simple to explain :/ | 15:38 |
| kergoth | finally. prototyped an external toolchain layer that uses bbappends instead of its own recipes and also operates based on files lists rather than hardcoding them in the recipes, so the sdk/toolchain can provide the lists of files that belong in each project/recipe | 15:39 |
| kergoth | and core-image-minimal built.. now to work out the kinks, and resurrect a more heuristic-based approach as a fallback | 15:39 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: if you want to append to default FOOBAR, you have FOOBAR_append_qemux86-64 then this works | 15:39 |
| qschulz | (AND NOT FOOBAR_qemux86-64_append !!!!!!) | 15:39 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: sorrrryyyyyy | 15:40 |
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| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: (it's long to read now probably, maybe for later :) ) => FOOBAR_qemux86-64_append is for appending to FOOBAR qemux86-64 "variant" of the variable. Basically, you have FOOBAR (no overrides) that is being appended with +=, _append. Then you have FOOBAR_qemux86-64 that is a completely separate variant of the same variable. and the FOOBAR_qemux86-64 += applies to that one (so if not ??=, ?= | 15:44 |
| qschulz | or = before, then it's empty). so FOOBAR_qemux86-64_append will append to FOOBAR_qemux86-64. Then once everything is "resolved", bitbake picks the FOOBAR for the variant to be used. | 15:44 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: cheers :) | 15:45 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: classes | 15:45 |
| qschulz | but not in conf, directly in .meta | 15:46 |
| qschulz | IIRC | 15:46 |
| Konsgnx1 | what about removing flags.. not sure if answered before. only saw 1-3 | 15:50 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: FOOBAR = "meh" in recipe, then inherit your class where you have FOOBAR = "moo" and see that it gets overwritten by the class (and vice-versa). maybe you did it already, had to leave the stream for 5min | 15:51 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: _remove is final, it's the last thing to be done. There is no way to re-add something. so FOOBAR += "plop" _remove = "plop", FOOBAR_append (or +=) = "plop" can't work | 15:52 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: you're right | 15:52 |
| Konsgnx1 | so best practice to avoid entirely, minimize amout of flags added in our code? | 15:53 |
| Konsgnx1 | gotcha. | 15:53 |
| qschulz | Konsgnx1: basically yes, _remove should be avoided. You can hardly "reset" the variable by using FOOBAR = (or FOOBAR_<override> =) | 15:54 |
| qschulz | s/hardly/hard/ | 15:54 |
| kergoth | *if* you need to be able to remove for some reason, you can provide an intermediate variable. FOOBAR_REMOVE ?= "foo"; FOOBAR_remove = "${FOOBAR_REMOVE}"; for example. if you're making a bbappend o remove something, this is a best practice so that additional bbappends after that one can undo the removal. but yes, best to reduce usage entirely | 15:59 |
| qschulz | kergoth: wow, super neat trick! | 16:00 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: thx for the stream o/ | 16:00 |
| Konsgnx1 | Thanks for the info! | 16:00 |
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| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: i gotta run now, can you take note of kergoths remark so i can put it onto the companion site laters? | 16:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: and, thanks a lot for the assistance! :) | 16:01 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: hope i could suprise you a little with the awk trick :) | 16:03 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: yup! | 16:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | :) | 16:03 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: (for being surprised and taking notes) | 16:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | hi5 | 16:04 |
| * qschulz hi5 | 16:04 | |
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| fullstop | Occasionally "do_rootfs" gets stuck at 3% for unknown reasons. | 19:19 |
| fullstop | with a "pseudo -d" process getting stuck | 19:19 |
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| RP | fullstop: stuck doing what? | 19:26 |
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| fullstop | RP: no idea.. I've let it go for 20 or 30 minutes with no progress and then I kill it and kick it off again. | 19:29 |
| fullstop | There are other builds happening on this server, and it's probably those jenkins java monkeys causing some sort of contention. | 19:29 |
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| RP | fullstop: I've not seen any other reports of that so its a bit strange | 19:49 |
| fullstop | RP: I'll see if it happens again and investigate further. I'm sure if it was a widespread problem you would have heard about it by now. | 19:49 |
| RP | fullstop: how do you know its the pseudo process that is stuck? Do the do_rootfs logs contain anything interesting when its stuck? | 19:49 |
| fullstop | RP: It sticks around for a few minutes after hitting ctrl + c, but all of the other processes have died. | 19:50 |
| RP | fullstop: its designed to do that so that isn't surprising | 19:51 |
| fullstop | I see. I'll look closer next time. | 19:52 |
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| bri | Is there a built-in way to update the SRCREV of a recipe to a specific commit (or commit-ish)? | 20:24 |
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| kergoth | bri: the same way you'd set any other variable in a recipe. either in a bbappend, or with the _pn-recipename override | 20:52 |
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| bri | kergoth: sorry, didn't mean just how to "set" it. I mean how to update it. That is, say it's set as SRCREV="XXX", and now I want it to be SRCREV="YYY". Is there any tool (like devtool) to help me do this? | 21:30 |
| bri | In particular, say I want YYY to bit the current tip commit - can I used something like devtool to that automatically? That is, to automatically edit the file for me? | 21:31 |
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| bri | I can of course script it, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel, and I'm unclear how people manage SRCREVs when you have a number of repos. Seems quite painful to lookup the latest commit then cut-and-paste that into the recipe in my editor. | 21:32 |
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| kergoth | there are many options depending on your requirements. the easiest would probably be to create a .inc that sets them all to ${AUTOREV}, which tracks the HEAD commit for you, then use buildhistory-collect-srcrevs to dump a config file with the locked down revs to use.. | 21:36 |
| kergoth | like i said, depends on your requirements and workflow, really | 21:36 |
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| bri | Ah, thanks! The buildhistory-collect-srcrevs script seems to point me in the right direction... I see in in the manual, will ivestigate... | 21:39 |
| kergoth | you can always just stick to using AUTOREV for recipes in development to always check out the latest, and not use collect-srcrevs at all, but that's not always what you want.. | 21:40 |
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| bri | Yeah, I was thinking of using a conditional with AUTOREV, similar to what XILINX uses, like: | 21:43 |
| bri | SRCREV ?= '${@oe.utils.conditional("PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel", "linux-xlnx-dev", "${AUTOREV}", "84fb0cc65aae5970471cbc54b0c89009b9b904af", d)}' | 21:43 |
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| kergoth | could probably rig something with devupstream.bbclass as another option | 21:49 |
| bri | So buildhistory-collect-srcrevs definitely seems helpful - is there a way to make it (or another tool) update my recipe's SRCREV variable automatically ? | 21:49 |
| bri | Shoot, I goota go - thanks for your help. | 21:50 |
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| kergoth | bri: it writes the values, you can save that to a .conf or .inc file and then include that from your local.conf or distro | 22:00 |
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| kergoth | argh, is there a way to make oe-selftest stop removing its build directory, to gather more detailed information about the test run from the workdirs? | 22:31 |
| kergoth | or is there a better way to add more details about test results, attach logs, etc? | 22:32 |
| kergoth | hmm, can specify a log for a section, not for a test | 22:38 |
| kergoth | well, that's the current layout, anyway, it's just json.. | 22:39 |
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