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| mckoan | good morning | 07:42 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 07:56 |
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| LetoThe2nd | whats the easiest way to add a rootfs image from multiconfig a into multiconfig b? obviously i need a recipe that packages it up, but whats the simplest, most canonicalform? | 09:18 |
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| rcrudo | I'm trying to build an image but I get this error: Could not invoke dnf. No match for argument: mesa. After some research it seems that the issue is related to mesa not installing anything | 09:37 |
| rcrudo | therefore it should have ALLOW_EMPTY_${PN}. however, I'm wondering why it doesn't have this by default | 09:37 |
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| LetoThe2nd | i would rather wonder why you're trying to install it if you don't actually want anything from it. | 09:40 |
| rcrudo | so far I could find out seems like mesa is used as opengl alternative | 09:41 |
| rcrudo | so, could it be that only the "-dev" packages are in use? | 09:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | opengl provider, not alternative. | 09:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | it could be, i don't know your build. | 09:43 |
| qschulz | rcrudo: it seems to be expected to be empty since 2012: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/meta/recipes-graphics/mesa?id=882bf3bc5f038d5e072df1bf3ecddd66e025e673 | 09:43 |
| qschulz | (mesa-dri has been renamed into mesa if you follow the git history) | 09:43 |
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| rcrudo | qschulz: so, should it have ALLOW_EMPTY_${PN} somewhere in the recipe? | 09:45 |
| qschulz | rcrudo: it does not for some reason, but maybe you're probably not supposed to install it at all and just install the actual packages you need? | 09:46 |
| qschulz | I think it makes little sense to add all mesa packages since they are hardware specific and one package probably handles only one kind of hardware | 09:46 |
| qschulz | (one to one relationship) | 09:46 |
| rcrudo | qschulz: I see. That might be case then. I am working on project that someone else created. That might be it was added without being required | 09:49 |
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| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: do you happen to know of a simple build-in-build example? | 10:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: the manual states how to define MC dependencies, but not how to consume them. | 10:02 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: I would do a mcdepends on a task, then read from mc b deploydir | 10:04 |
| LetoThe2nd | hmmm. | 10:05 |
| LetoThe2nd | kay | 10:05 |
| qschulz | don't know what's the recommended way | 10:07 |
| qschulz | maybe have a look at freertos+linux Yocto talk at ELCE 2019? | 10:07 |
| LetoThe2nd | ah yes, good pointer. | 10:11 |
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| mbulut | good morning everyone | 10:28 |
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| mbulut | what is the recommended way to get gdb-cross-arm built into the sdk? | 10:29 |
| mbulut | I can build it using bitbake gdb-cross-arm, however adding gdb-cross to TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK it says nothing rprovides... | 10:30 |
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| rburton | you want nativesdk-gdb* for the nativesdk | 10:33 |
| mbulut | thx, I'll give it a try | 10:35 |
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| mbulut | hmm can't find anything like that | 10:39 |
| mbulut | added nativesdk-gdb to TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK and it can't find no buildable providers | 10:40 |
| mbulut | also I cannot find anything like nativesdk-gdb on the oe layer index... | 10:40 |
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| mckoan | mbulut: isn't gdb cross already in the SDK when you set EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES += "tools-debug" ? | 10:43 |
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| mbulut | I wasn't aware that EXTRA_IMAGE_FEATURES affects the sdk in any way... | 10:44 |
| mbulut | I just have a minimal sdk recipe where I require meta-toolchain.bb and add a bunch of other recipes to TOOLCHAIN_TARGET_TASK and TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK | 10:45 |
| mbulut | I'm not running populate_sdk on the image recipe | 10:47 |
| rburton | you should be :) | 10:47 |
| mckoan | mbulut: IMAGE_INSTALL_append = " gdbserver" should give you he same result | 10:47 |
| rburton | recommended way is to use the populate_sdk | 10:47 |
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| mckoan | mbulut: you have two options: meta-toolchain or the populate_sdk way | 10:48 |
| mbulut | https://pastebin.com/jr5HPZuu | 10:49 |
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| mbulut | this is what I use to define the SDK and I run bitbake -c populate_sdk against it | 10:50 |
| mbulut | so it's the former of what mckoan suggested, now how do I get the cross gdb into that? | 10:51 |
| mckoan | mbulut: populate_sdk should be used to create an SDK related to an image not itself | 10:51 |
| mbulut | so both of you and rburton say I should run populate_sdk on the image recipe rather than a standalone recipe for the SDK? | 10:53 |
| rburton | yes | 10:53 |
| rburton | then you know that your SDK contains everything you need for your target | 10:53 |
| rburton | otherwise its on you to ensure they match | 10:53 |
| mbulut | hmmm - but that builds literally almost everything that's going into the image | 10:54 |
| mbulut | like idk it yields me a webserver in the sdk which feels kinda odd, you know... | 10:54 |
| mckoan | mbulut: because that's the expected behavior of an SDK | 10:55 |
| rburton | do it yourself, if you want, the underlying code is mostly the same | 10:55 |
| rburton | just the recommended way is to build a SDK of an image, instead of hand-curating your own. | 10:55 |
| mbulut | I understand | 10:55 |
| mbulut | that recipe I posted was working fine for me and produced a streamlined SDK with only stuff that I would actually expect in an SDK and not just an entire image rootfs bundled as an SDK installer | 10:57 |
| mbulut | until this morning, when I needed the cross gdb -- I'd really prefer sticking to my recipe rather than the image recipe (not at least because it builds "only" round-about 4K packages as opposed to nearly 9K packages with the image recipe) | 10:58 |
| mckoan | mbulut: you could create a reduces image for SDK purpose | 11:00 |
| rburton | mbulut: well adding the cross gdb is trivial | 11:01 |
| mbulut | rburton: how? | 11:02 |
| mbulut | (to my recipe) | 11:02 |
| mbulut | adding a line IMAGE_INSTALL += "gdb-cross" to it? | 11:02 |
| mbulut | no, that don't make any sense.. | 11:03 |
| mbulut | Adding gdb-cross-canadian-arm to TOOLCHAIN_HOST_TASK at least seems to build -- will need to find out if it yields me the desired binaries in the SDK | 11:06 |
| rburton | as i said, _HOST_ tasks will all be nativesdk-* | 11:08 |
| mbulut | hmm I see, then I'll need to find out what nativesdk-* actually includes gdb-cross, correct? | 11:09 |
| mbulut | I added this line to my sdk recipe: | 11:15 |
| mbulut | require ${TOPDIR}/../layers/poky/meta/recipes-core/meta/meta-extsdk-toolchain.bb | 11:15 |
| mbulut | that seems to do the trick | 11:15 |
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| why | hi | 11:47 |
| why | how can I remove an rpm package from yocto? | 12:02 |
| why | i mean on the target itself | 12:02 |
| why | for example I want to remove the program "bc" which the yocto yester likes a lot :) | 12:03 |
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| LetoThe2nd | why: the jester says: if you don't want something, do not install it. | 12:13 |
| LetoThe2nd | i mean, whats the reason behind doing this: 1) add stuff 2) compile stuff 3) package stuff 4) remove stuff | 12:14 |
| LetoThe2nd | instead of just 0) do nothing. | 12:14 |
| why | LetoThe2nd The reason being that at a certain time a package is not needed anymore, since it is possible to add a package afterwards I was wondering if it is possible to remove a package as well | 12:15 |
| why | So the answer is not possible then? | 12:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | what do you mean by "certain time" and "afterwards? are we talking about varous build times during development, or various lifetime moments during runtime of the device? | 12:16 |
| why | lifetime moments | 12:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | so you basically need a package when the device is powered on the first time, and then not anymore, or something like that? | 12:17 |
| why | Suppose I need "bc" now, after 1 month I want to free up space :) and I really don't need that package anymore, is it possible to remove it on the target | 12:17 |
| why | ? | 12:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | if you have runtime package management, then it should be perfectly doable. but depending on your use case other strategies might be favorable. | 12:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: cue chant #3, please. | 12:18 |
| why | so if I have runtime package management, which command can I use to remove "bc" for example? | 12:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | if you are using rpm, then according to https://linux.die.net/man/8/rpm it should be rpm -e .... | 12:22 |
| why | rpm -e bc gives me | 12:25 |
| why | error: Failed dependencies:bc = 1.07.1-r0 is needed by (installed) bc-dev-1.07.1-r0.cortexa7t2hf_neon_vfpv4 | 12:25 |
| why | then | 12:25 |
| why | rpm -e bc-dev-1.07.1-r0.cortexa7t2hf_neon_vfpv4 | 12:25 |
| why | does nothing it seems since bc is still available on the target | 12:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | okay, so you essentially wnet through everything already yourself, and instead of just asking "hwy i want to do x, but it doesn't work, i get error y" you had me discuss stuff plus even look up the man page for you, right? | 12:27 |
| LetoThe2nd | you know what? i'm out. screw you. | 12:27 |
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| why | I didn't expect such a reaction from the kind yocto jester :( | 12:36 |
| qschulz | LetoThe2nd: "It depends TM" | 12:36 |
| why | you came with a solution, I tried your solution | 12:36 |
| why | then it gave the error, so I want to do x, where x = rpm -e ..., but it doesn't work, i get error y | 12:37 |
| why | then you tell me "screw you", doesn't seem logic to me but ok if that makes you happy | 12:37 |
| LetoThe2nd | why: the point is that you just literally wasted 15 minutes of my time to just find out that you are stuck on an erroro message, and not in the process of it. and i tend to be very unkind if i realize that people are wasting my time just because they *think* i shall explain everything over again, just for the fun of it. | 12:38 |
| qschulz | why: you could have spared LetoThe2nd 15min of his time by just saying "i want to remove an rpm package from the target, i did rpm -e bc, error (give error), rpm -e bc-dev, error (give error)" | 12:38 |
| LetoThe2nd | qschulz: i couldn't have worded it any better. | 12:38 |
| why | qschulz LOL, you guys don't seem to get it but its ok I'm not angry :) After the jester said use "rpm -e ..." I imeddiately tried it out... | 12:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | *sigh* | 12:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | then i happily don't get it. | 12:40 |
| LetoThe2nd | lunchtime. | 12:40 |
| why | jester's reaction @13:22:22 , my reaction at @13:25:07 | 12:40 |
| LetoThe2nd | (but i still think the approach os wrong anyways) | 12:40 |
| why | LetoThe2nd which approach and why? | 12:40 |
| LetoThe2nd | ... | 12:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | ok. to prove that i am a *MOSTLY* nice guy. | 12:41 |
| why | never mind I'll try to figure it out, thanks anyway (except for the "screw you" part...) :') | 12:41 |
| why | (y) | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | i am pretty sure that the whole idea of "installing" something first and then "removing it later" is fundamentally flawed. you are trying to do something, and you think thats a way to do it. | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | so you ask about the way. | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | (because you're stuck) | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | what i am saying is that you should rather rething the whole approach. | 12:43 |
| why | well in any linux distribution when there is a package management available you can easily install something for example sudo apt install <package> | 12:43 |
| qschulz | why: but in the end, usually you just flash updates of your system, which don't have the package in it anymore. I'm not sure many people use package management on the target? | 12:43 |
| why | and sudo apt remove <package> so there must be a reasoning behind it | 12:43 |
| qschulz | why: don't think of embedded systems as normal computers | 12:43 |
| why | qschulz yes, but just wanted to know if it is possible :) | 12:43 |
| why | @qsh | 12:44 |
| why | qschulz true | 12:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | i'm not saying that there is no bug in runtime package management as we have it. its entirely possible. but it doesn't maater much, because tis not meant for it anyways. | 12:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | we have other use cases, and those require other approaches. so trying to apply your desktop ubuntu mind set will just cause pain for everybody. | 12:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | so, chances are almost 100% that you are actually trying to do something specific and entirely unrelated. and my advice is to rethink this and find an approach that suits the problem domain, not an appraoch that suits "sudo apt" - just because you happen to know that. | 12:46 |
| why | well I gave the ubuntu example just for understanding purposes only | 12:46 |
| why | the whole idea is to create a custom os, this means adding (and removing in my opinion), but I think it is best to close this discussion and you can enjoy your lunch, thanks anyway (y) | 12:47 |
| qschulz | why: "adding" probably means you need to handle package repos or whatever the name actually is | 12:48 |
| qschulz | you cannot use Ubuntu's and you need to maintain one feed/repo per distro and probably per machine | 12:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | it should theoretically be possible. if it doesn't work, you might have hit a) a bug in the rpm setup we have b) a bug in the preinstallation handling we have c) any combination or variation thereof. | 12:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | try again with ipk, narrow the behaviour down. does it happen only on "included" packages, or also on those installed at runtime? | 12:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | etc, pp. | 12:49 |
| why | I don't want to waste more of my time now that I know the above, appreciate it guys(y) | 12:51 |
| why | (y) | 12:51 |
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| LetoThe2nd | such crazyness. anybody treid/heard of an emscripten-native recipe? | 13:53 |
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| LetoThe2nd | RP: question - maybe i'm just on the wrong track - but: when in a multiconfig environment, doesn't bitbake hold all configs in memory? so, would it be possible to have something like ${mc:other_config:ASDFASDF} to access those? adhering to the usual rules of visibility, of course. | 14:04 |
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| manuel__ | Somehow `bitbake -c cleanall my-recipe; bitbake -c do_fetch my-recipe` doesn't clone the source repo into the tmp dir. In did add `RM_WORK_EXCLUDE += "my-package"` to local.conf. | 14:47 |
| manuel__ | `bitbake -c do_patch` does. But it patches as well. I would like to have the unpatched source. | 14:47 |
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| qschulz | do_unpack | 14:48 |
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| LetoThe2nd | manuel__: -c do_unpack? | 14:49 |
| manuel__ | Hmm will give it a try | 14:52 |
| qschulz | manuel__: ${WORKDIR}/temp/log.task_order should help you identify in which order tasks were run | 14:53 |
| qschulz | or, you can run bitbake my-recipe -g and read the .dot files with a text editor (don't try to make a graph out of it) | 14:54 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: bitbake doesn't hold recipe configuration in memory, only the "base" configuration before recipes are parsed | 14:54 |
| RP | it only had a snapshot of some variable values from after it parsed recipes | 14:54 |
| RP | would it be possible to peek from one config into another config? Probably | 14:55 |
| RP | except the data stores know nothing of each other | 14:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: well it obviously could not extend beyond the conf files anyways. | 14:57 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: e.g. one could inspect globals across multiconfigs.. | 14:58 |
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| RP | LetoThe2nd: I think giving people this option will cause all kinds of determinism problems unfortunately :( | 14:58 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: yeah, it might be my probably naive mental model of bitbake internals. | 14:59 |
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| manuel__ | LetoThe2nd: Yepp, do_unpack did the trick. Thanks | 15:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | :) | 15:01 |
| manuel__ | LetoThe2nd: But I don't yet understand why do_unpack is done when the source lives in a repo, not in a tarball. Though do_fetch either clones the repo or downloads the tarball, and do_unpack does nothing if there's no tarball involved. | 15:08 |
| * manuel__ is reading https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/overview-manual/overview-manual.html#source-fetching-dev-environment again. | 15:08 | |
| LetoThe2nd | manuel__: nah, its just your interpretation of the commands that is off. fetch means: "get somethign and put it into DL_DIR" | 15:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | unpack means: "get something out of DL_DIR and put it into work" | 15:09 |
| manuel__ | True, I forgot repos are cloned into <build-dir>/downloads/git2/, what I have in the package specific WORKDIR is just a copy. | 15:12 |
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| LetoThe2nd | :-) | 15:13 |
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| smurray | LetoThe2nd: saw your multiconfig question in scrollback, in my container examples I package the container image in a recipe that the host image just includes | 15:22 |
| smurray | LetoThe2nd: which requires knowing where the container build deploy dir is | 15:23 |
| LetoThe2nd | smurray: already figured it out. thought there must be a way to pass knowledge from one build to the other, which doesn't seem to be the case. so either magic file, or magic constants. | 15:23 |
| smurray | LetoThe2nd: right, in my example in my presentation I set variables in the main config | 15:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | smurray: yep, one option. | 15:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | smurray: outcome will be presented in 24.5h from now :) | 15:25 |
| smurray | LetoThe2nd: ideally, it'd be possible to query the env of the other mc's with some syntax, but it'd likely be non-trivial | 15:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | smurray: scroll back 30 minutes here... :) | 15:25 |
| smurray | LetoThe2nd: heh, I did say "non-trivial", at least | 15:26 |
| bernardoaraujo | anyone has experience with replacing splash on RPi? I tried the suggestions from https://stackoverflow.com/a/63732589 with no success | 15:30 |
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| leon-anavi | LetoThe2nd, well done for doing these live streams. I received an email from Twitch and had a look at it for a while. | 16:50 |
| LetoThe2nd | leon-anavi: hehe thanks. It was just a fun session today, the "real" one is taking place tomorrow. | 16:54 |
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| mckoan | LetoThe2nd: I expectd at least an alias name for bitbake in the barbarian language :-D | 17:04 |
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| RP | kanavin_home: found the man-db issue now too, hopfeully | 17:38 |
| RP | JPEW: do you have any thoughts on how we can invalidate individual recipe hash equiv? | 17:38 |
| RP | JPEW: have a small problem in a case like this since we have a "bad" output mapped as equivalent to a "good" output and no easy way to get it out the system :( | 17:39 |
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| RP | zeddii: wonder which of us will win this race for the workers :) | 17:53 |
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| zeddii | this stupid warning, that I created with the tools, is annoying me. I fix one case, and the other warns. I think I have it now. But kill my builds if they case problems. | 17:54 |
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| RP | zeddii: its fine, I think I won the race for workers (by luck!) | 17:59 |
| RP | JPEW: I've tried something horrible (on list) | 18:05 |
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| dl9pf | RP: question about _append ... let's say a layer does IMAGE_FSTYPES_append = "foo" . How should a user that does want to define his very own set of IMAGE_FSTYPES get his done ? In general the question boils down to how to deal with _appends that you might not want _or_ how to (re)set a variable late ignoring the _appends. | 18:43 |
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| kanavin_home | RP: right, but should those be dropped from exception list as well then? | 19:00 |
| RP | kanavin_home: man-db-doc wasn't on the exception list... | 19:01 |
| RP | dl9pf: this is a long standing problem with _append, its very hard to undo it :( | 19:02 |
| RP | dl9pf: one thing you can do is reset the variable in anonymous python | 19:02 |
| dl9pf | ok | 19:09 |
| RP | dl9pf: a d.setVar() will clear all appends and removes FWIW | 19:12 |
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| dv|2 | how can I submit a new subtree into yocto-kernel-cache bsp/ ? | 20:01 |
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| dv|2 | how can I submit a new subtree into yocto-kernel-cache bsp/ ? | 21:45 |
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| kanavin_home | dv|2: I guess the README in the repository should explain that? | 22:36 |
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| dv|2 | kanavin_home, ah! thanks | 22:37 |
| kanavin_home | RP: just wanted to check, was mesa upgrade overlooked, or still to be added to -next? | 22:51 |
| RP | kanavin_home: I probably missed it :/ | 22:59 |
| RP | kanavin_home: I'll queue in -next, thanks | 23:00 |
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