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tlwoerner | ant__: which recipe of which meta-rockchip? | 03:02 |
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hmw1 | hi, any good hints for intro videos into yocto/openembedded | 07:29 |
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tangofoxtrot | https://www.google.com/search?hl=&site=&q=intro+videos+yocto+openembedded | 07:51 |
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mckoan | good morning | 08:13 |
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mckoan | hmw1: https://theyoctojester.info/ | 08:15 |
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ant__ | tlwoerner, hi, I found this series https://www.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2017-January/034043.html | 09:18 |
ant__ | did not bother to check the final commits... | 09:18 |
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RP | hmm, private email asking me why backporting a patch from master to sumo doesn't "just work" | 10:31 |
mckoan | RP it's a hard life | 10:32 |
qschulz | RP: got tired of the sumo backports that keeps coming on the ML, had to answer. Probably the same people I guess considering the timing | 10:35 |
RP | qschulz: oddly enough its not, its a big company :/ | 10:35 |
RP | I do think it would be useful for people to collect some of these things together if they are insisting on using obsolete versions | 10:35 |
RP | I do understand why it can be necessary too | 10:36 |
qschulz | not sure to follow what you mean by collecting some of these things? | 10:36 |
RP | qschulz: putting the CVE fixes together on a branch would save each group reinventing them | 10:38 |
gsalazar | Hi, I'm trying to change the INITSCRIPT_PARAMS from the hostapd package in a bbappend in zeus but I keep getting "Postinstall scriptlets of ['hostapd'] have failed. If the intention is to defer them to first boot, | 10:39 |
gsalazar | then please place them into pkg_postinst_ontarget_${PN} ()" this does not occur if I use the default INITSCRIPT_PARAMS. I am not really sure on how to add the pkg_postinst_ontarget_${PN} () or fix the error. Has anyone encountered this? | 10:39 |
* RP wonders how depressed to be that master-next failed with three different failures, all not related to the changes in -next afaict | 10:39 | |
qschulz | RP: I'm afraid there'll be an expectation that the branches will stay up-to-date with the latest CVE fixes even on unmaintained (which technically wouldn't be unmaintained anymore... community-based effort buut still) branches | 10:39 |
qschulz | RP: I don't think we want to make it less painful for people to stay on long outdated branches? | 10:40 |
RP | qschulz: right, there are good reasons why we've not "done" it :( | 10:40 |
rburton | qschulz: the problem is testing of those patches. unmaintained branch as there's no maintainer to test. | 10:41 |
rburton | hey if someone is using sumo then they can step up and run the branch though the AB | 10:41 |
RP | rburton: trouble is the older branches are breaking on the AB, as they're not being run regularly :/ | 10:42 |
RP | we did just about make sumo work but I suspect it will be broken again | 10:42 |
mckoan | qschulz: I always try to persuade manufacturers to migrate to newer versions but it is very difficult | 10:42 |
RP | I can't even keep master working well, see comment above | 10:42 |
mckoan | qschulz: after all they still manage to sell their cards :-D | 10:43 |
qschulz | mckoan: sure, but then it's up to the user/company buying those cards to either complain or suffer the maintenance burden or upgrade path | 10:44 |
RP | bash reproducibility issue, apt pseudo file handle issue and a checksum corruption issue with dnf | 10:44 |
mckoan | qschulz: in a perfect world yes | 10:44 |
qschulz | mckoan: what is there to earn for Yocto maintainers/contributors to maintain those branches from 5 years ago? | 10:45 |
mckoan | qschulz: in fact. I totally agree. Sigh | 10:45 |
RP | rburton: was autotools ready for wider testing? | 10:46 |
qschulz | mckoan: I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere as a project and also as a user of some companies' products which are using long outdated software | 10:46 |
rburton | RP: yeah i need to rebase and clean up the branch. if the AB is idle though I can throw the messy branch at a-quick though | 10:46 |
qschulz | mckoan: if they were paying it'd be a different story. See Microsoft with privately maintained XP now... | 10:46 |
RP | rburton: might be interesting to. I'm just wondering if I need to save off any of these failures :/ | 10:47 |
qschulz | Well, all of this from my perspective of small and occasional contributor and no maintainer of nothing :) | 10:47 |
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Sponge5 | Hello, quick question, according to https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/current/dev-manual/dev-manual.html#new-recipe-testing I'm supposed to test on target, does that mean that the only way to test is to run the image and test from inside the emulation? | 11:33 |
* mcfrisk still uses sumo, in decent shape CVE wise, maybe have something to do with the patches on mailing list.. | 11:34 | |
ant__ | RP: ok, I'll tell you a secret | 11:35 |
mcfrisk | and can't update thanks to a big SOC vendor screwing us up big, big time | 11:35 |
ant__ | lot of OE 'distros' did use sumo until last month | 11:35 |
ant__ | lot of .bbappends and dubious patches, still they build images for DVB / STB | 11:36 |
RP | mcfrisk: would you want to actually try and collect them up? | 11:36 |
RP | mcfrisk: sad you're "stuck" :( | 11:36 |
mcfrisk | RP: I have everything in a private tree, but can't publish that. would need to clean it up... and I do have backports for devel tools like python 2.7 | 11:37 |
ant__ | just look in github for OpenPLi and OE-A | 11:37 |
RP | mcfrisk: for a while recently we did have sumo building on the autobuilder. Not sure it would work now :( | 11:38 |
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ant__ | now people moved to zeus fwiw, so expect mainenance | 11:38 |
RP | mcfrisk: I'd guess you have other priorities than cleaning it up :/ | 11:38 |
qschulz | mcfrisk: can't you just make a BSP layer with this SoC vendor crap and update the rest? | 11:39 |
mcfrisk | we do have CI with target tests and all | 11:39 |
qschulz | ant__: which is funny considering dunfell is an LTS and not zeus :) | 11:39 |
ant__ | I tried hardly..no way :) | 11:39 |
qschulz | mcfrisk: and by BSP layer I mean bootloader and kernel? | 11:39 |
ant__ | the issue is enigma2 and python 2.x | 11:39 |
mcfrisk | qschulz: sadly not, some high level SW components from SoC vendor tie up openssl, icu etc versions | 11:39 |
RP | mcfrisk: right, but your testing != the project's testing for our release quality :( | 11:39 |
mcfrisk | I know, different kind of testing | 11:39 |
qschulz | mcfrisk: vendors... smh | 11:40 |
RP | ant__: py2 is why zeus and not LTS? | 11:40 |
ant__ | iirc yes | 11:40 |
ant__ | someone must rewrite enigma2 spaghetti code :) | 11:41 |
RP | we made an effort to drop py2 from the LTS purely as it was dead then, let alone for the lifetime of the LTS :/ | 11:41 |
qschulz | isn't there a (now unmaintained IIRC?) meta-python2 layer for dunfell? | 11:42 |
ant__ | qschulz, my try https://forums.openpli.org/topic/76314-zeus-vs-dunfell/page-3#entry1212098 | 11:44 |
Sponge5 | sorry to repeat my question, but the #new-recipe-testing entry in dev-manual isn't exactly exhaustive and I'm having no luck with SO/Reddit. | 11:51 |
Sponge5 | Do I have to run the image to test whether all files are where they should be? | 11:52 |
Sponge5 | To clarify, by "run the image" I mean "runqemu ..." | 11:53 |
RP | Sponge5: you should be able to look at the WORKDIR/image directory or look at the generated packages | 11:53 |
mckoan | ant__: hi, are you using OpenPLi ? | 11:53 |
qschulz | Sponge5: oe-pkgdata-util list-pkgs <recipe>; oe-pkgdata-util list-pkg-files <pkg>; oe-pkgdata-util find-path /target/path/to/your/files | 11:54 |
RP | rburton: diffoscope is off in the weeds again :( | 11:54 |
Sponge5 | qschulz: thanks, I'll look into it! | 11:55 |
RP | hmm, ppp and vulkan-samples-staticdev | 11:57 |
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ant__ | mckoan, ciao | 12:22 |
ant__ | yes, I use it on vu+ vuduo2 | 12:22 |
ant__ | I am fixing xbmc/kodi compilation on it | 12:22 |
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ant__ | problems where the mipsel fixes and now the private libs | 12:23 |
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ant__ | it is my new hobby after zaurus :) | 12:23 |
ant__ | mckoan, btw I am A.A there | 12:26 |
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RP | Does anyone know how to force make to use a specific shell? Setting SHELL isn't helping :( | 14:39 |
smurray | that's the only hook I'm aware of | 14:40 |
RP | The issue is https://github.com/paulusmack/ppp/issues/233 - reproducibility issue in ppp, dash vs bash. I can't stop it using /bin/sh | 14:41 |
zeddii | yah. SHELL= in the Makefile has always done it for me in the past as well. | 14:43 |
zeddii | SHELL = and then exporting it to any submakes, since IIRC it goes back to the environment variable otherwise. | 14:44 |
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RP | zeddii: I tried export SHELL = /bin/bash, I tried adding it to the commandline, I tried MAKESHELL, nothing seems to deter it | 14:48 |
zeddii | bugger. and the problematic snippet, is in the first Make call ? i.e. not a submake, because, yah, that should 'just work' | 14:49 |
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RP | zeddii: no, its in a subdir Makefile with all kinds of parallel stuff flying around but nothing I can set seems to make it work | 14:50 |
zeddii | yah. your export= should have handled that case. | 14:50 |
zeddii | does a brute force patch of shell= in each and every makefile fix it, I wonder ? | 14:51 |
RP | zeddii: tried that too :( | 14:51 |
zeddii | daaaaang. | 14:51 |
zeddii | if that doesn't work, then yah, there's no sense messing about with exporting SHELL, etc, since it is using something else. | 14:52 |
Sponge5 | It's possible that a command inside the makefile sets the variable to /bin/sh | 14:52 |
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RP | can anyone suggest a way to do echo '#include <utmp.h>' in portable shell? :) | 15:06 |
RP | quoting was screwed up in that report, oh the irony | 15:07 |
mcfrisk | RP: here text? cat > file.c << EOF #include <utmp.h>\nEOF\n ? | 15:11 |
RP | mcfrisk: its the # character :/ | 15:11 |
RP | mcfrisk: might work, not sure | 15:11 |
qschulz | escape it with \? | 15:11 |
RP | qschulz: works in some shells, not others | 15:12 |
RP | I think this is actually a bug in bash, not a dash vs bash issue :( | 15:12 |
qschulz | RP: dang... WHY SOME MANY DIFFERENT SHELLS | 15:12 |
qschulz | s/SOME/SO/ | 15:12 |
paulbarker | RP: `echo -e '\x23'` ? | 15:16 |
qschulz | RP: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#tag_18_02 it seems backslash or single or double quote escaping is POSIX compliant? | 15:16 |
paulbarker | Infact no, that may not work | 15:16 |
RP | paulbarker: it uses \ so won't help :( | 15:16 |
paulbarker | Eugh, printf examples using `echo -e` instead of `printf` | 15:16 |
RP | qschulz: I just updated that issue report, its a bug in some versions of bash afaict | 15:17 |
zeddii | awk 'BEGIN { print "#include <utmp.h>" }' | 15:17 |
zeddii | :D | 15:17 |
paulbarker | Yep, looks like most of the best bets are awk or perl one-liners, choose your poison | 15:18 |
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RP | basically I need a command without # or \ in the command | 15:19 |
RP | ah, but its a makefile so I can use make's variables | 15:22 |
zeddii | yah, because any way I can think of to print # without using #, involves a code that uses \ | 15:23 |
paulbarker | HASH=$(echo 35 | awk '{ printf("%c", $0); }'); echo "${HASH}include <utmp.h>" | 15:23 |
zeddii | ooo! | 15:23 |
RP | paulbarker: that should work :) | 15:24 |
ant__ | omg | 15:24 |
paulbarker | It's only Jan 7th but I think that's a clear contender for the ugliest code I'll write all year | 15:24 |
RP | UTMPHEADER = "\#include <utmp.h> and then echo $(UTMPHEADER) also works | 15:24 |
zeddii | paulbarker, call it "clever" | 15:24 |
RP | but I do like paulbarker's version :) | 15:24 |
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qschulz | RP: I'm confused by your UTMPHEADER solution? where does the bug of unescaped # reside then? | 15:26 |
RP | qschulz: it pushes the quoting handling from the shell to make | 15:27 |
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hithere | How come there are no logs available for 2021?? | 15:39 |
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hithere | or is this irc channel no longer active? | 15:45 |
paulbarker | halstead: ^^^ | 15:45 |
paulbarker | hithere: I guess the logging process drank too much at new year | 15:46 |
hithere | well someone responding means it is still active, one of the two mysteries seems to have cleared up, now the log "issue" | 15:47 |
hithere | (y) | 15:47 |
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RP | Just for completeness this issue isn't a shell issue. its a make incompatibility | 17:25 |
RP | http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=c6966b323811c37acedff05b576b907b06aea5f4 | 17:25 |
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zeddii | that spells it out pretty clearly!! | 17:43 |
paulbarker | RP: Am I right thinking this was the wic/pseudo bug we were talking about on Tues? https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14129 | 17:44 |
RP | paulbarker: yes | 17:46 |
paulbarker | RP: Cool, I'll assign that to me. Will pick up up once I've finished fixing https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13994 | 17:46 |
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RP | paulbarker: thanks. I'm just struggling to get to things... | 17:47 |
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Ollie456 | Hi. Sorry if a bit off-topic, but can anyone tell me how to generate a sources folder such as the one found here: https://docs.projects.genivi.org/releases/gdp/13.0/raspberrypi3/sources/ | 17:57 |
paulbarker | Ollie456: Not off-topic at all. Look up the archiver bbclass in the docs | 18:00 |
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Ollie456 | perfect thank you | 18:02 |
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v0n | Hey, why is the MLO and u-boot.img files part of the boot partition for beaglebone, since they should be written raw at the beginning of the SD card if I'm not mistaken | 18:05 |
paulbarker | v0n: Either option is supported by the AM335x boot rom. | 18:06 |
paulbarker | For the BeagleBone Enhanced (MACHINE = "bbe") in meta-sancloud we use the single partition layout with no vfat boot partition | 18:06 |
v0n | hum, interesting, I've just tested to put them all in the boot partition and it doesn't boot | 18:07 |
paulbarker | v0n: You could probably use same wic file with the original beaglebone: https://github.com/SanCloudLtd/meta-sancloud/blob/dunfell/wic/sancloud_bbe.wks | 18:07 |
paulbarker | v0n: Actually, just remembered some details | 18:08 |
paulbarker | You need either a u-boot patch (ugly) or a u-boot script in /boot in the rootfs (nicer) | 18:09 |
paulbarker | We use https://github.com/SanCloudLtd/meta-sancloud/blob/dunfell/recipes-bsp/u-boot/files/boot.cmd as the boot script | 18:09 |
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v0n | paulbarker: I'll look into your wic file, thanks. If I want to protect the kernel and initramfs images I'm using, can u-boot for example pick these files from a encrypted partition? so that my SD card looks like: [MLO][u-boot.img][Part1(enc):zImage+dtb+intramfs][Part2:rootfs to switch to] | 18:22 |
paulbarker | v0n: I'm not sure off the top of my head. I'd be interested to see that working though | 18:23 |
v0n | paulbarker: or ideally having the MLO and u-boot.img unpartitioned and a single encrypted rootfs containing the kernel in /boot, but I'm not sure beaglebone supports that | 18:24 |
v0n | I've found patches to encrypt the rootfs with dm-verity but it seems like the secure location has to be in the kernel (signed fitImage) | 18:25 |
paulbarker | v0n: It would really be down to what u-boot supports when loading the kernel, dtb and (possible) initramfs | 18:25 |
paulbarker | I don't think it's hardware dependent | 18:26 |
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smurray | v0n: I could be misremembering, but I have memories of something along the lines of needing to buy am355x parts from TI with the feature not disabled to be able to properly do secure boot | 19:07 |
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marex | smurray: the am335x parts with hardware root of trust are indeed on special order (and expensive) | 20:31 |
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smurray | marex: heh, good to know my memory isn't completely shot ;) | 20:31 |
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v0n | marex: smurray: what's the point of it? it you want an encrypted bootloader maybe? but if your bootloader is not encrypted, it can decrypt and thus you don't need this hardware component, right? | 20:38 |
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marex | v0n: the bootrom can authenticate signed bootloader blob, if the signature matches then bootloader is started, otherwise the system tries the next blob or hangs | 20:43 |
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RP | JPEW: any thoughts on qemu on mingw? I think that is the last piece of the qemu upgrade puzzle now | 20:46 |
JPEW | RP: Only thing I can think of is to add a flag like "--mingw-flat=no" or something :( | 20:48 |
RP | JPEW: should we just patch it out for now? | 20:48 |
JPEW | Probably | 20:48 |
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JPEW | I'll try to propose a patch upstream to see how it goes over | 20:49 |
RP | JPEW: I might try hacking something for now to see if we can move forward whilst that happens | 20:49 |
v0n | marex: ok then if you don't mind a non encrypted bootloader, you can let it decrypt and boot an encrypted kernel/rootfs without this hardware feature, right? | 20:49 |
JPEW | RP: sounds good | 20:49 |
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smurray | v0n: it's not about encryption, it's about chain of trust | 20:52 |
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v0n | paulbarker: shouldn't it be --ondisk mmcblk in sandcloud_bbe.wks? | 20:54 |
paulbarker | v0n: Yes, `--ondisk mmcblk` is already used in each `part` line | 20:56 |
v0n | paulbarker: oops I meant --ondisk mmcblk0 | 20:56 |
paulbarker | I believe the index is handled automatically | 20:56 |
v0n | ho ok | 20:56 |
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RP | JPEW: confirmed that fixes it FWIW (hack in -next) | 21:23 |
marex | RP: hey uh, if I want to override TOOLCHAIN_SHAR_REL_TMPL with a file in meta-foo , what do I set into that variable e.g. in local.conf ? | 21:25 |
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marex | I saw someone using ${LAYERDIR_meta-foo}/files/toolchain-shar-relocate.sh , but that seems to fail | 21:26 |
RP | marex: you'd need something to be setting LAYERDIR_meta-foo | 21:26 |
marex | RP: (yes, I am trying to backport the toolchain fixes to thud) | 21:26 |
marex | RP: is there something which does that for me already ? | 21:27 |
marex | RP: I was looking around wks, maybe that's what I want (? | 21:27 |
RP | marex: not in master, a later might do it | 21:27 |
RP | er, a layer | 21:27 |
RP | not seeing the connection to wks | 21:27 |
marex | RP: well WKS is also using the .wks file which is located in layer | 21:28 |
marex | RP: so there should be some mechanism to find that file in a layer already | 21:28 |
marex | RP: maybe it could be reused somehow | 21:28 |
RP | ah, perhaps. I doubt the toolchain mechanism uses the logic though | 21:28 |
RP | I suspect wks is done using BBPATH or similar | 21:28 |
marex | RP: it is | 21:28 |
marex | RP: I'll keep digging | 21:29 |
marex | RP: ah, of course I can set it, thanks | 21:32 |
JPEW | RP: Ok. I just sent a patch to QEMU, we'll see what they say | 21:39 |
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RP | JPEW: cool | 21:40 |
* RP somehow needs to unblock the patches in -next :/ | 21:40 | |
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JPEW | My build server just filled it's disk with sstate.... time to buy a larger hard drive | 21:44 |
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RP | JPEW: probably faster than trying to delete it :) | 21:51 |
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JPEW | RP: Ya, it's only a 300GB disk, and it's shared with the OS, so it's time for a new one | 21:56 |
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RP | JPEW: I have a 2TB I keep filling! | 22:02 |
RP | (just with sstate) | 22:02 |
PaowZ | JPEW: I setup a 1TB SSD drive.. a dream.. | 22:03 |
JPEW | PaowZ: Ya. I just bought a 1.2 TB drive. It's for my build servers, so I'm not *as* worried about the speed. I have SSD for my desktop; it's nice :) | 22:04 |
JPEW | Spindle driver for the server | 22:05 |
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armpit | I got a mvme drive.. it just says I am out of space faster ; / | 22:29 |
PaowZ | JPEW: true that bottleneck is CPU first, but still.. considering the number of small files to read and, why not, rootfs writes of several GB :-) | 22:34 |
JPEW | Ya. Decking out my servers with NVMe would be a little bit $$$ for my tastes... it would probably cost more than I paid for the servers in the first place :) | 22:39 |
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dv | Can't find the complete list of the web browsers in the recipes... | 22:42 |
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dv | does anybody know the recipe for Firefox/Chromium ? | 23:19 |
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abelloni | dv: https://github.com/OSSystems/meta-browser/tree/master ? | 23:56 |
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