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| jonesv[m] | khem: Spooster: same when patched: when I then go into u-boot and check with `fdt print`, my usb0 is said to be `dr_mode = "otg"`, though my dts says `dr_mode = "peripheral";` âšī¸ | 00:09 |
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| khem | you might have to check if your patched dts is really what is used | 00:11 |
| khem | and you also want to perhaps cleansstate and rebuild image | 00:11 |
| jonesv[m] | Though in `bitbake -c menuconfig u-boot`, `Default Device Tree for DT Control` is set to "am335x-evm", and I do patch `./build/tmp/work/pocketbeagle-poky-linux-gnueabi/u-boot/1_2020.07-r0/git/arch/arm/dts/am335x-evm.dts` | 00:11 |
| jonesv[m] | khem: I have been doing some cleansstate and all for 3 days now, I guess I should now try to make sure the the dts I am patching is what is being used. But I don't know how đ | 00:12 |
| jonesv[m] | I just assumed it was this one because of what I see in menuconfig ("Default Device Tree for DT Control"), but I don't know if that's correct | 00:13 |
| Spooster | jonesv[m]: 'bitbake-layers show-appends | grep u-boot' to make sure your .bbappend is actually being picked up | 00:13 |
| Spooster | I recently had some trouble where I has to push mine around until bitbake was happy where I placed the properly named file | 00:13 |
| Spooster | chances are, either you need to name it u-boot_%.bbappend or move it around until it's picked up... then you can debug why the patch isn't applying from there | 00:14 |
| * jonesv[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SRWbGKsGqwqDmUPJHmpWioBc/message.txt > | 00:15 | |
| jonesv[m] | or not at all? | 00:16 |
| jonesv[m] | Like I can tell that my patch is being applied, because if I mess up with it, `bitbake u-boot` fails to patch. And also I can see that the file has been patched | 00:17 |
| jonesv[m] | But the thing is that this `.dts` file being patch does not tell me that the file is actually being used by u-boot. It just tells me that my `.bbappend` patches the file I want to patch. How can I know this is the file I should be patching? | 00:18 |
| jonesv[m] | But when I think about it, I am trying hard to get my usb0 in peripheral mode, but it is already in otg mode, so maybe that's not my issue at all, and I just got away from my initial fastboot problem 𤨠| 00:21 |
| jonesv[m] | I guess I need to give up here | 00:22 |
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| RP | zeddii: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/62/builds/3180 :/ | 00:44 |
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| zeddii | edgerouter no less! | 00:51 |
| zeddii | I did have a conflict there, but it built. I'll fire up a new one and re-submit the kernel SRCREV bumps for the yocto BSPs. | 00:51 |
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| RP | zeddii: thanks | 01:04 |
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| cengiz_io | hello there! my kernel module recipe fails to pass installed-vs-shipped QA check due to modules.builtin file. isn't this supposed to be automagically included in FILES_${PN} ? | 06:44 |
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| jdrol | hi is there special recipe to define a new service in /etc/init.d ? | 06:54 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 08:05 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: hehe, exactly my thoughts @pw | 08:39 |
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| RP | kmaincent: will you reply to Bruce with the perf diffoscope logs (e.g. https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/repro-fail/oe-reproducible-20210310-pc9vzt2k/packages/diff-html/) ? | 10:34 |
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| kmaincent | RP: yes I will, thanks for the diffoscope link | 10:38 |
| dl9pf | RP the issue wrt libtool-native has multiple sides of the medal ... aka as it embeds very compiler/host specific paths, we might conclude that we can't sstate-cache it. or we need to try and mangle it better (which I don't know yet if that produces side effects). | 10:44 |
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| dl9pf | compiler_lib_search_dirs is _very_ host specific if we're honest, even if we're on the same host, there might have been an update. | 10:45 |
| kmaincent | RP: did you include the last dnf patch from alexander, in this build https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/82/builds/1608 ? | 10:48 |
| kmaincent | *libdnf patch | 10:49 |
| RP | kmaincent: that looks like it is from the util-linux patch | 10:50 |
| RP | dl9pf: does it actually need that value on linux? | 10:51 |
| dl9pf | e.g. x86_64-linux-libtool still contains: | 10:53 |
| dl9pf | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zpnuDLyN/ | 10:53 |
| dl9pf | this is build-host specifics that end-up in the sstate-cache | 10:53 |
| dl9pf | and predep postdep are quite specific | 10:54 |
| dl9pf | that is at least what happened here. got the sstate from a debian builder with /usr/lib/gcc/.../5/ | 10:55 |
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| RP | kmaincent: we should have diffoscope links for the other two failures as well, need to check it was the same issue. Looks like symbol reordering FWIW so perhaps object linking order isn't deterministic | 10:58 |
| RP | dl9pf: I wonder why libtool needs to care. RPATH supression maybe? | 10:58 |
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| dl9pf | digging some more ... wonder why its a problem here now | 10:59 |
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| dl9pf | on multiple hosts | 11:00 |
| RP | dl9pf: I was wondering why it was showing up now | 11:00 |
| dl9pf | the builder populating the sstate mirror in question does use prserv and hashserv | 11:02 |
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| kmaincent | RP: is there a way to find easily the diffoscope of a build? | 11:05 |
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| RP | kmaincent: the directory location is mentioned in the build logs so you can easily build the url from that | 11:12 |
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| kmaincent | ah yes got it | 11:17 |
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| RP | dl9pf: it is possible that may expose some issues a bit more but I'm not seeing a direct connection | 11:20 |
| dl9pf | might have been exposed by accident | 11:21 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, huh? | 11:36 |
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| rburton | zeddii: are you actually working on that qemuarmv5 bug? I'll take a look if you've not got around to it. | 11:49 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: re the "why should PW go into oe-core" mail | 12:29 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, I am famous for removing things from oe-core :) | 12:31 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, X server is next on the chopping block | 12:31 |
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| RP | kanavin: we just need to be careful not to alienate users though, for better or worse the X pieces do have users | 13:02 |
| RP | zeddii: when you're around I can try and give perf hints if it helps | 13:03 |
| rburton | should be easy enough to move the old server to meta-oe for people who want it | 13:10 |
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| LetoThe2nd | RP: *sing* "I'm an alien, I'm an evil alien, I'm an Englishman in New Yo-hork..." | 13:12 |
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| zeddii | RP: unfortunately, I'm out of time on perf. It'll be a few weeks again before I can pick it up. | 13:37 |
| zeddii | rburton: it was fixed in the queue that I sent last night. | 13:43 |
| rburton | awesome | 13:44 |
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| RP | zeddii: ok, no problem. I will merge the patch so far since its steps in the right direction, there is obviously just some remaining gremlin | 13:57 |
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| zeddii | I did glance quicky at the diffoscope, and it looks like some machine specific instructions are captured. since that's the nature of perf, it isn't surprising. | 13:59 |
| zeddii | but they should still be reproducible of course. | 13:59 |
| paulg | "diffoscope" -- sounds so 1950s.... | 13:59 |
| paulg | glowing vacuum tubes and the whole bit. | 14:00 |
| RP | paulg: vacuum tubes are quite cool though, do love my old school 'scope | 14:02 |
| * RP once had to create a sample in evacuated glass and has a lot of respect for anything made inside vacuums | 14:03 | |
| paulg | I know several people who carry around a complete vacuum in their head. | 14:04 |
| * RP ponders incomplete vacuums | 14:05 | |
| Shaun | I imagine that'd be quite similar, except their head would make high pitched noises | 14:05 |
| JaMa | OT: anyone fancy 2K EUR Zen Nixie Tube Clock? https://www.daliborfarny.com/product/zen-nixie-clock/ there is also YT channel how they are producing the tubes nowaydas | 14:08 |
| kanavin | RP: certainly, I guess you've seen the branches I am preparing? | 14:17 |
| kanavin | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder-helper/log/?h=contrib/akanavin/transition-to-weston | 14:17 |
| kanavin | http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/poky-contrib/log/?h=akanavin/transition-to-weston | 14:17 |
| RP | kanavin: I have looked at some of it, yes | 14:17 |
| kanavin | RP: one other missing item I want to look into is to package the upcoming separate-xwayland release - that's the only X piece that has a future, and even then only as a legacy compatibility layer. Standalone x server is effectively dead. | 14:20 |
| RP | kanavin: it would certainly make sense to have that | 14:22 |
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| kanavin | of course oe-core will continue to provide and test core-image-sato on top of xorg-xserver, but I think the time has come to transition the core and the test matrix (the bulk of it) to wayland/weston (in the next development cycle of course) | 14:23 |
| RP | kanavin: I agree on changing the mix, how much so, tbd :) | 14:24 |
| kanavin | RP: yeah, it's best to discuss over specific patches, I'm holding them until after the release is done :) | 14:25 |
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| RP | zeddii: I'm wondering if tools/perf/Makefile.perf:$(patsubst perf-%,%.o,$(PROGRAMS)): $(wildcard */*.h) needs a $(sort ) around the wildcard | 14:43 |
| RP | although I think that is just a dependencies line so perhaps doesn't matter | 14:45 |
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| zeddii | RP: I was looking at your other reproducibility fixes and wondered if that was the remaining thing as well. But didn't have a look at all yet. | 14:53 |
| zeddii | since like you said, it really just looks like the objects are in a different order between the two builds, which didn't happen on my local one. | 14:54 |
| RP | zeddii: I'll quickly run a diff between the autobuilder logs and some local ones, see if anything obvious jumps out | 14:54 |
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| RP | zeddii: was a nice idea but perf compile corrupts the output and interleaves the commands :/ | 15:25 |
| zeddii | ahah. yuck. | 15:29 |
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| JaMa | armpit: can you please reply in "[dunfell 00/41] Pull request (cover letter only)" thread about connman upgrade backport to dunfell? | 16:35 |
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| armpit | JaMa, I did in the engr meeting. now I need to find that email | 17:01 |
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| yates | rburton: when you first bitbake a project, doesn't yocto have to build the cross-binutils (as, ld, etc.)? if so, by what mechanism is this accomplished? via class files? also where do the source files for this process come from? any specific pointers (e.g., in the default yocto build) would be appreciated. | 17:06 |
| rburton | yates: the gcc and binutils recipes | 17:06 |
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| RP | zeddii: after a lot of head scratching I think it is pmu-events.c which differs because of JSON = $(shell [ -d $(JDIR) ] && find $(JDIR) -name '*.json' -o -name 'mapfile.csv') as the mapfile.csv file isn't ordered deterministically | 17:17 |
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| JaMa | armpit: please do for us plebs not attending another engr meeting :) | 17:20 |
| zeddii | RP: ahaha. indeed. filesystem ordering on that find. | 17:21 |
| zeddii | and then within the csv, is it generated ? | 17:22 |
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| RP | zeddii: the find generates the mapfile.csv contents | 17:35 |
| RP | zeddii: sorry, I'm misreading | 17:37 |
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| RP | zeddii: its the handling in jevents.c, the ntfw() walks the tree and won't be deterministic | 17:40 |
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| RP | zeddii: Fixing that doesn't look fun. Who would write that kind of thing in C? :) | 17:48 |
| zeddii | kernel savages. | 17:48 |
| zeddii | but I state the obvious | 17:49 |
| RP | zeddii: scandir() would sort if we could butcher it to use that | 17:50 |
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| RP | zeddii: https://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/213435/c-recursive-opendir-wrapper-to-sort-directories-first-ascending-descending maybe | 17:53 |
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| zeddii | I was just reading nftw's opengroup page. | 17:54 |
| RP | zeddii: I'd never really run into this problem as I'd write it in python :) | 17:55 |
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| zeddii | what about a post processing step ? IF it's the order in pmu-events.c, can't we suck it in, re-order and spit it back out ? | 17:58 |
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| zeddii | sort on .name, or something like that. | 17:59 |
| RP | zeddii: sounds good to me. That would solve the issue | 17:59 |
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| RP | zeddii: I'm partly guessing at what the issue is but the trace clearly points at something in pmu-events.c changing | 18:00 |
| * RP -> food | 18:00 | |
| zeddii | it also fits the detail that we can't easily patch perf. I can have a go at a small python thing to do it | 18:00 |
| RP | zeddii: yes, I was worrying about that too | 18:01 |
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| yates | rburton: so do you mean /meta/recipes-devtools/gcc (for gcc)? | 18:07 |
| rburton | yes | 18:08 |
| yates | ok thanks | 18:08 |
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| yates | is there a recipe that will just make the sdk? bitbake sdk? | 18:31 |
| rburton | define 'sdk' | 18:33 |
| Guest68851 | rburton: Surely Demented Khem :) | 18:35 |
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| yates | sdk in my mind means the binutils + compilers, basically | 18:37 |
| yates | it looks like "bitbake meta-toolchain" does this? | 18:37 |
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| yates | in build/conf/local.conf i see "MACHINE ??= "qemux86-64"" | 18:46 |
| yates | does this set the target of the sdk/toolchain? e.g. cross-tools will be built for a qemux86_64? | 18:46 |
| yates | rburton: ^^^^ ? | 18:47 |
| yates | if so, where are the MACHINEs defined? | 18:47 |
| yates | ? | 18:50 |
| khem | yates: SDK is a losely held term. its collection of tools and workflow to develop some sort of software | 18:54 |
| khem | e.g. if you were building containers as output then you will also call this SDK | 18:55 |
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| JaMa | should image.bbclass inherit nopackages? | 19:18 |
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| rburton | yates: meta-toolchain will build a basic tarball containing binutils/gcc yes. SDKMACHINE sets that target for the platform that *runs* the sdk (as documented in local.conf for starters) | 19:25 |
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| smurray | yates: the sections on building the regular and extended SDKs in https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/index.html might be helpful | 19:39 |
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| yates | rburton: thanks. yes, i saw SDKMACHINE is the "host" (I believe "host" and not "target" is the correct nomenclature, using the triplet syntax defined in https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.68/html_node/Specifying-Target-Triplets.html) | 19:51 |
| yates | is it correct to say that "MACHINE" defines the "target" in that nomenclature? | 19:54 |
| kergoth | yates: yes, machine is the target in that, but it's even more specific than that. i.e. it's not just the target architecture, it's the specific board being targeted, usually | 19:56 |
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| yates | kergoth: +1 | 19:57 |
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| RP | JaMa: I don't think it can as there was some key dependency chain that breaks | 21:22 |
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| JaMa | RP: for me a dependency on image.do_image_complete somehow includes a search for image.packagedata manifest (which is now an error with my recent change), so nopackages was simples work around, but will look a bit further how it happened | 21:44 |
| JaMa | RP: https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core-contrib/commit/?h=jansa/master&id=5ee66b49ef8ab0e2df386c862a09c15629cfa1a0 has few more details | 21:44 |
| JaMa | RP: and on ML I've reported that I've seen it only in gatesgarth build, but then the same build locally shown an error with hardknott while gatesgarth was fine, so there is something else in play :/ | 21:45 |
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| RP | JaMa: image.bbclass already has a lot of task pruning, I think I did as much as I could get away with at the time | 21:57 |
| RP | JaMa: the world has changed since but I think some of the dependencies are probably needed. It sounds like there is some underlying issue at play but I'm not quite sure what | 21:58 |
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| yates | guys, does yocto/tmp/deploy/sdk/poky-glibc-x86_64-meta-toolchain-core2-64-qemux86-64-toolchain-3.2.2.sh actually embedded all the | 23:45 |
| yates | tools | 23:45 |
| yates | ? it is a shell with binary data | 23:47 |
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| smurray | yates: that's the SDK installer, a tarball wrapped with an install script, see https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/using.html#installing-the-sdk | 23:52 |
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