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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 07:44 |
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| * LetoThe2nd opens mail, facepalms, calms down, then is auhbombed. nice way to start out a day. where's my beer? | 07:46 | |
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| jdrol | hello | 07:54 |
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| mckoan | good morning | 07:58 |
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| mcfrisk | BSPs, sigh. I wonder if SoC users should collectively start talking to SoC vendors about their layers and problems. When sstate cache goes *gaboom* after BSP update, that isn't a good sign. Surely others have seen or will see this too. Sadly yocto-check-layers also fails on meta-openembedded so running it on BSP layers feels like overkill right now. There would need to be some subset of the checks that I | 08:16 |
| mcfrisk | could run on BSP layers. | 08:16 |
| qschulz | mcfrisk: I feel like having BSP of proper quality would already be a HUGE improvement. I feel like build system is more accessible to newcomers than kernel/bootloader/authentication/signing/optee/atf/whatever. But I feel you, sometimes it seems they just throw some stuff at you and say "deal with it" | 08:25 |
| qschulz | mornin' folks | 08:25 |
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| mcfrisk | BSP layer with custom npm bbclasses, what could possibly go wrong /fp | 08:31 |
| mcfrisk | fully forked gobject-introspection.bbclass, wtf's per minute is increasing rapidly | 08:33 |
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| t_unix[m] | @RP: you seem to be familiar with meson in poky. Could you help me find an answer to the nativesdk-meson question (i.e. `TARGET_SYS`) I posted above? | 09:03 |
| jdrol | I don't know why my recipe work when I put in local.conf IMAGE_INSTALL_append = " program" but if I do IMAGE_INSTALL = " program" I got cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device error when I launch runqemu qemux64-86 | 09:18 |
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| qschulz | jdrol: you override the IMAGE_INSTALL variable, which is the variable telling Yocto which packages to install, so you'll be missing a hell of a lot | 09:21 |
| jdrol | qschulz, oups I wrote += no = | 09:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | jdrol: and where do you do put those? both in local.conf? you can always inspect the whole evalutation history in bitbake -e and look for differences. | 09:24 |
| LetoThe2nd | jdrol: also, see https://theyoctojester.info/session_14/main.html | 09:24 |
| jdrol | ok ... | 09:24 |
| jdrol | thanks | 09:24 |
| qschulz | jdrol: rule of thumb, no += =+ .= =. in configuration files to append/prepend stuff | 09:28 |
| qschulz | jdrol: only _append or _prepend | 09:28 |
| qschulz | the issue is in which order files are parsed. conf files are parsed before classes and recipes, therefore += will actually make ?= ??= to not be applied, because += assign directly the variable if it does not exist already | 09:29 |
| jdrol | ok thanks | 09:29 |
| jdrol | I know the theory of immediate ... and at running .. | 09:30 |
| jdrol | many thanks | 09:30 |
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| jdrol | other think I installed my recipe with cmake and I added do_install() ... is it possible to ask to cmake to install directly in /usr/bin ? | 09:44 |
| LetoThe2nd | jdrol: you can always hardcode stuff. you should never hardcode stuff. | 09:45 |
| jdrol | do-install() is not hardcoded ? | 09:47 |
| qschulz | jdrol: yes it is possible, you need an install target in your CmakeLists.txt and install in the correct path (NOT /usr/bin, something like CMAKE_BIN_TARGET or something like that, something Cmake specific and I don't do cmake so can't help more :) ) | 09:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | do_install adheres to the cmake install targets you define and the bindir variable. so no, do_install is essentially not hardcoded. | 09:49 |
| jdrol | thanks | 09:50 |
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| jdrol | I lost time with scripts from yoctoproject.net now It is fine | 09:52 |
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| t_unix[m] | just so I get this straight: assuming a setup with `{host=x86_64-win, target=arm-linux, build=x86_64-linux}`, `nativesdk` recipes will set `TARGET_SYS` to `x86_64-win`? | 09:59 |
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| rburton | t_unix[m]: meson nativesdk should target whatever SDKMACHINE/SDK_ARCH is set to | 10:08 |
| rburton | in master it defaults to the build host, previously it was x86-64 | 10:09 |
| t_unix[m] | SDK* refers to the machine, the SDK will be executed on, right? | 10:12 |
| rburton | yes | 10:14 |
| rburton | I build on arm64-linux but I can set SDKMACHINE to x86-mingw64 (or whatever it is) to build a windows/x86 SDK | 10:15 |
| t_unix[m] | why are the `target` variables values set to those of the corresponding `host` (i.e. `SDK`)? | 10:16 |
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| t_unix[m] | rburton: the crossfile provided by `nativesdk-meson` is intended to be used to cross compile to the target, isn't it? So it's `[host_machine]` section should refer to the target, shouldn't it? Unless it is intended to be used to cross compile a compiler itself, in which case `[host_machine]` should refer to `SDK*` and a `[target_machine]` section should be introduced? | 10:49 |
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| dl9pf | RP: did not forget the AB-helper changes ... they'll come asap. Did TSC receive the form ? Any questions/feedback ? | 11:28 |
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| RP | dl9pf: We messed up agenda but its on the list for today. Several positive feedbacks so far | 11:33 |
| dl9pf | roger | 11:33 |
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| cengiz_io_ | hello. I'm using dunfell and whenever I do "devtool modify virtual/kernel" it fails at preconfigure step with "cannot open /path/linux-fslc/5.4.51+gitAUTOINC+d051c7c9af-r0/devtooltmp-<RANDOM_ID>/workdir/defconfig: No such file". | 11:47 |
| cengiz_io_ | is this a known issue? my kernel builds fine with my defconfig | 11:47 |
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| cengiz_io_ | I can't create any kernel patches because of this.. | 11:48 |
| cengiz_io_ | my defconfig is appended in SRC_URI with "file://defconfig" | 11:48 |
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| qschulz | cengiz_io_: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/meta-freescale/tree/classes/fsl-kernel-localversion.bbclass?h=dunfell | 12:01 |
| qschulz | check that ${WORKDIR} is correctly set | 12:02 |
| qschulz | otherwise it might just be some ordering of tasks or something no idea frankly speaking | 12:03 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: I will check the bb file that I'm appending. | 12:04 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: and there's this also, which I can't apply manually, don't know if it fixes anything | 12:04 |
| cengiz_io_ | https://github.com/Freescale/meta-freescale/pull/652 | 12:04 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: what baffles me is, kernel gets compiled with right defconfig but only devtool complains | 12:06 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: devtool has a different file layout, so I'm not surprised | 12:07 |
| qschulz | e.g. ${WORKDIR} is not where SRC_URI files are unpacked | 12:07 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: is there a super-hacky way of generating patches without devtool? bitbake -c menuconfig simply won't help | 12:07 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: just override this task | 12:08 |
| qschulz | or do_preconfigure[noexec] = "1" | 12:08 |
| cengiz_io_ | thank you | 12:08 |
| qschulz | otherwise, I always do the kernel modification on my own with a cloned kernel git repo outside of yocto | 12:08 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: that introduces too much maintainence work for me.. | 12:09 |
| cengiz_io_ | I just want whatever meta-freescale distributes | 12:09 |
| cengiz_io_ | with 2-3 patches | 12:09 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: if, say I would do that mirror repo with my patches, how can I override my meta-freescale choice? by forcing it in machine conf? | 12:11 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: ? no, you git clone meta-freescale kernel git repo locally, do your changes, create the patches with git format-patch, then put the patches in your layer, get rid of you local kernel repo, and voilà | 12:12 |
| cengiz_io_ | ah. | 12:12 |
| cengiz_io_ | that makes sense. devtool will be still broken, patches will still reside in my recipes-kernel and bbappend will still be needed then | 12:13 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: yup, anyway I'm not sure devtool'ed kernel works well with out-of-tree kernel drivers if you have any. | 12:18 |
| qschulz | I'd need to check one day why it does not work for me on thud and if it still the case for newer Yocto releases | 12:18 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: I actually did the thing in reverse. | 12:18 |
| cengiz_io_ | cloned linux-fslc, checked out specific commit, patched my driver in, enabled configs, compiled. | 12:19 |
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| cengiz_io_ | I was going to replicate those as patches into my recipe | 12:19 |
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| cengiz_io_ | I always loved how devtool handled things | 12:19 |
| cengiz_io_ | never been able to get it to work since I switched to dunfell | 12:20 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: might be an issue with meta-freescale honestly | 12:20 |
| cengiz_io_ | there's a pr from 29 days ago | 12:20 |
| qschulz | I know, I read it, is it fixing your issue? | 12:20 |
| qschulz | (I read the PR not the linked mail) | 12:21 |
| cengiz_io_ | now I only have to wait for 1) meta-freescale to be tagged 2) AGL to update their revision number of meta-freescale | 12:21 |
| cengiz_io_ | have no idea :D | 12:21 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: backport the commit locally and test | 12:23 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: actually, pretty simple, create a bbappend for your kernel recipe | 12:24 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: I have one | 12:24 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: KBRANCH = "5.4.x+fslc" | 12:24 |
| cengiz_io_ | just add it huh? | 12:25 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: SRC_URI = "git://github.com/Freescale/linux-fslc.git;branch=${KBRANCH} \ file://defconfig" | 12:25 |
| qschulz | and you're good to go | 12:25 |
| cengiz_io_ | bb already does have a git:// scm url | 12:25 |
| cengiz_io_ | will this override it? | 12:26 |
| cengiz_io_ | or a duplicate | 12:26 |
| cengiz_io_ | qschulz: it worked! wohoo | 12:28 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: it'll override, that's the whole point | 12:30 |
| qschulz | once you upgrade meta-freescale/AGL, remove those | 12:31 |
| cengiz_io_ | yeah I have SRC_URI += " | 12:31 |
| cengiz_io_ | so I assumed it will append | 12:31 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: no, you should have =, not += | 12:31 |
| cengiz_io_ | in bbappend? | 12:31 |
| cengiz_io_ | ok | 12:31 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: for THIS very SPECIFIC case yes | 12:31 |
| cengiz_io_ | yeah. .bb does all the other things for me EXCEPT for this one | 12:32 |
| qschulz | cengiz_io_: I would suggest to have the SRC_URI with the git URL and defconfig in one SRC_URI in your bbappend (with =_ | 12:32 |
| qschulz | and then += for your patches so it's easy to remove the overridden SRC_URI without making mistakes when upgrading :) | 12:32 |
| cengiz_io_ | good idea. thanks a lot | 12:32 |
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| yates | yesterday Saur suggested (thanks Saur) to use "bitbake -g -u taskexp | 12:46 |
| yates | <recipe>` to get a GUI to explore the task | 12:46 |
| yates | dependencies | 12:46 |
| yates | what is "taskexp"? | 12:46 |
| yates | is it "comile", "install", configure", "patch", etc. as shown here: https://www.aosabook.org/en/yocto.html | 12:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | yates: https://www.yoctoproject.org/docs/latest/ref-manual/ref-manual.html#migration-2.3-bitbake-changes | 12:51 |
| yates | oh! no, that is the name ofa gui | 12:53 |
| LetoThe2nd | yates: exactly, taskexp is the keyword for the viewer. | 12:53 |
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| yates | are yocto .bbclass files essentially python? | 13:25 |
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| yates | for exanmple in one .bbclass file i see "COMPLEMENTARY_GLOB[dev-pkgs] = '*-dev'". is this setting up a python dict? | 13:27 |
| yates | rburton: you stated "12:06 <rburton> yates: the gcc and binutils recipes". are those usually part of the meta-toolchain layer? | 13:28 |
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| rburton | yates: there is no meta-toolchain layer. they are in oe-core, just look at the files. | 13:47 |
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| tlwoerner | in what timezone is the weekly call? is it in ~1h10m? | 13:51 |
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| yates | rburton: i see you are correct. by "the files" (of which there are thousands...), to you mean starting with meta/recipes-core/meta/meta-toolchain.bb? | 13:54 |
| yates | are yocto .bbclass files essentially python? | 13:55 |
| rburton | meta-toolchain is a recipe that builds a minimal SDK | 13:55 |
| rburton | bbclass files can contain python, just like a recipe can | 13:55 |
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| rburton | tlwoerner: afaik its pinned to UK time so two hours away | 13:56 |
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| yates | was the "Application Development Toolkit (ADT)" document removed from the yocto documentation? i found this 1.8.2 version but substituting "latest" comes up empty | 14:06 |
| yates | was it replaced with https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/index.html ? | 14:07 |
| qschulz | yates: no replacement | 14:07 |
| yates | qschulz: so yocto no longer provides an ADT? or did you just remove the document for some strange reason? | 14:08 |
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| qschulz | yates: I was wrong, see https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/migration-2.1.html#adt-removed | 14:15 |
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| thekappe | hello guys ! I have some applications under the /myapp folder on the target board | 14:31 |
| thekappe | how can I "instruct" bitbake to add that folder to the PATH variable ? | 14:31 |
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| thekappe | when compiling the image | 14:31 |
| emrius | Hey, I would like to modify an image right before flashing. I uncompressed the .bzip2 image, mounted the partition I would like to change. I then modified what I needed and ran `bmaptool create` to generate a new `.bmap` file. Unfortunately, the new bmap file simply maps the entire filesystem with a single <BlockMap> entry. Is there any way to recycle the original much more fine grained (and therefore faster to write) | 14:32 |
| emrius | bmap file? | 14:32 |
| qschulz | emrius: what about creating your own IMAGE_CMD? | 14:37 |
| qschulz | just giving paths to explore | 14:37 |
| tlwoerner | rburton: it seems the meeting is now-ish | 14:53 |
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| JPEW | rburton: I'm pretty sure it's phrased in terms of Pacific Standard Time, so in 5 minutes | 14:54 |
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| tlwoerner | JPEW: so you'll be joining then? | 15:01 |
| emrius | qschulz: Thanks for the incentive. I'd like to have this as a post-processing step. So, this is not really an option. | 15:02 |
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| JPEW | RP: The oeselftest directory is missing from gatesgarth (and dunfell): https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/yocto-testresults/tree/ vs https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/yocto-testresults/tree/?h=gatesgarth | 15:16 |
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| RP | JPEW: hmm. it shouldn't be :/ | 15:17 |
| RP | JPEW: they are run in the releases: http://downloads.yoctoproject.org/releases/yocto/yocto-3.2.2/testresults/oe-selftest-centos/ | 15:19 |
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| JPEW | Hmm, but where are the results for non-tagged builds placed? | 15:25 |
| RP | JPEW: non-release on the autobuilder | 15:28 |
| RP | JPEW: https://autobuilder.yocto.io/pub/non-release/20210304-5/testresults/ but the idea was the git repo collected things up | 15:29 |
| RP | the git repo is now large and unmanagable :( | 15:29 |
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| vdl | Is there a yocto variable to execute a host script after a successful build to e.g. prepare a release tarball? | 15:41 |
| rburton | so the calendar entry i have is utc not pst | 15:45 |
| RP | JPEW: looks like there are multiple commits on the gatesgarth head. gatesgarth~1 does have an oe selftest file | 15:54 |
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| JPEW | RP: Huh... weird | 15:55 |
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| kanavin | RP: from the minutes, "some high-profile issues have highlighted the need for reproducible builds" | 16:28 |
| kanavin | RP: I'm curious about the specifics :) | 16:29 |
| kanavin | what high profile issues? :) | 16:29 |
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| vdl | How do you guys handle the built images for release tarballs for example. Do you wrap the bitbake call into a custom script or do you integrate the release generation (or whatever post-build steps) into the bitbake process? | 16:55 |
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| yates | qschulz: ok thanks. the clarification is much-appreciated. | 17:01 |
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| qschulz | vdl: depends what makes the release generation step. If it involves signing, probably something manual to be done with your images on an air-gapped PC | 17:03 |
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| RP | kanavin: the solarwinds hack - people are waking up to the issues | 17:04 |
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| kanavin | RP: thanks, this is the link most relevant to us I guess https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/blog/preventing-supply-chain-attacks-like-solarwinds/ | 17:24 |
| RP | kanavin: right, it has people thinking about supply chain | 17:24 |
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| kanavin | RP: we certainly need to engage with go upstream, it's the hairiest item to address | 17:40 |
| kanavin | or you know, take it out of core, which doesn't solve the real problem | 17:41 |
| zeddii | go was kind of a disaster to use when it was out of core. | 17:45 |
| * zeddii remembers it well. | 17:45 | |
| zeddii | heh. for fun, I just searched for reproducibility and go. And my first hit claims it is reproducible by default :D | 17:47 |
| RP | kanavin: we do indeed need to talk to them... | 17:48 |
| zeddii | hah. these jokers are reproducing builds by putting them in the same path all the time. FAIL. | 17:49 |
| RP | zeddii: can you fix our build then please? | 17:49 |
| RP | I did wonder if we could fool it with chroots | 17:49 |
| zeddii | does diffoscope tear into the go binaries ? or are they just black blobs of pain ? | 17:50 |
| kanavin | zeddii, I have a horrible pile of hacks that achieves go reproducibilty even for different paths | 17:50 |
| kanavin | zeddii, go binaries contain a 'build id' which is not that dissimilar to sstate hash | 17:51 |
| RP | zeddii: It does to an extent, the differences are fairly obvious. We also have kanavin's code changes which highlight it | 17:51 |
| kanavin | zeddii, go toolchain environment is very sensitive to anything, and will change the build id at slightest provication | 17:51 |
| zeddii | yah. so do c compiled ones. My searches found that most people pass the buildid to the linker. | 17:52 |
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| zeddii | as does the C one :D I just went through that with perf. | 17:52 |
| zeddii | yah. and I see they are messing about with trimpath and some linker things as well .. but then it seems you slam into cgo, which is more pain. | 17:53 |
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| kergoth | Hmm, need to tweak the multiple value handling, but I wonder if something like https://gist.github.com/135f6fb2253da84cffd0f2279a062014 would be of use to anyone else for legal, as certain licenses require information about what files have or haven't been modified | 18:03 |
| RP | zeddii: the c build-ids don't change with the build paths! | 18:06 |
| RP | kergoth: I can see it being useful in some contexts, yes | 18:08 |
| zeddii | perf's did, well, because it was capturing the build path as variables. but yah, I know what you mean. | 18:10 |
| kergoth | k, might clean it up and submit as a rfc possible addition to scripts/contrib | 18:10 |
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| kanavin | zeddii, the harder part about go's build ids is that the process to compute them is completely non-transparent, and hidden inside the toolchain source code | 18:12 |
| kanavin | with no debugging, short of running the toolchain itself inside a debugger | 18:13 |
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| zeddii | yah. The only way out of that I can see is to just always generate your own, and pass them in. assuming that some reproducibility issues aren't masked by that, etc. | 18:15 |
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| RP | kergoth: please do! | 18:37 |
| RP | kergoth: SBoM is a big thing atm and that is part of it | 18:37 |
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| vmeson | sakoman: RP: Since it hasn't been seen in a while, I've closed: https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13810 -- systemd file executable bits disappearing | 19:05 |
| vmeson | If anyone is still seeing this bug, please re-open. | 19:05 |
| sakoman | vmeson: OK, with me, I can't even remember the last time I encountered it! | 19:07 |
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| vmeson | ssajal: cool. Yes, limiting the files tracked by pseudo and forcing an error rather than a warning seemed to do the trick. I see lots of pseudo backported changes in dunfell since last fall. Those commits are the more relelevant reason to close the bug and we've waited ~6 months to be extra sure that it's not happening! | 19:14 |
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| vmeson | err I meant sakoman, not ssajal but you guys probably knew that. | 19:37 |
| RP | vmeson: agreed, seems reasonable | 19:37 |
| vmeson | RP: good. | 19:37 |
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| yates | the word "image" is used in yocto in various places (e.g. https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/intro.html); what precisely is an "image"? | 21:06 |
| yates | nm | 21:11 |
| yates | https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/terms.html#term-Image | 21:11 |
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| khem | RP: whats the way to let ltp run as part of -ctestimage ? | 21:37 |
| khem | I have been using DEFAULT_TEST_SUITES but that does not track whats in image | 21:38 |
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| RP | khem: http://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit.cgi/yocto-autobuilder-helper/tree/config.json#n105 | 21:59 |
| RP | khem: TEST_SUITES = 'ping ssh ltp ltp_compliance | 21:59 |
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| alephan | Hey armpit just a small reminder for https://lists.openembedded.org/g/openembedded-devel/message/89698 as we might have missed it in the last pushes to dunfell. | 22:57 |
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