| kroon | RP, ok. yeah that sounds not so good | 00:00 |
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| RP | rpaths only apply to specific binaries which is more helpful | 00:00 |
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| kroon | RP, well we still have an ugly rpath padding that does the trick. I did ask in gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org if there was a way to set a fixed size RPATH at link time, but no good answer sofar | 00:02 |
| RP | kroon: we have some horrible section padding tricks to solve similar issues to do with inflating string sizes elsewhere in the sdk toolchain too | 00:03 |
| RP | kroon: the padding trick is ok to a point but I'm just not totally keen on it.... | 00:04 |
| RP | kroon: we could wrap the python binary with a script wrapper setting the right LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting for use in the sysroot/source dir too | 00:05 |
| RP | can't decide what is worse :) | 00:05 |
| RP | khem: Looks like we may be able to simply delete yet another gcc patch! | 00:06 |
| kroon | RP, i feel like if we could get upstream gnu ld make it possible to pad rpath(and others?) up to a max size at link time, then in 5-10 years we wouldn't have this problem.. | 00:06 |
| kroon | RP, yeah that wrapper would work for python, but then we'd need another wrapper for program x that also wants to do similar build-time testing.. | 00:08 |
| RP | kroon: I'd hope we don't have too many of these | 00:11 |
| RP | but I don't know the scope | 00:12 |
| kroon | RP, or maybe those could be autogenerated :-D | 00:12 |
| kroon | nah | 00:12 |
| kroon | scratch that | 00:12 |
| RP | kroon: we could try just using the fixed length for python and my hack for the rest? See how widespread the issue is that way? | 00:12 |
| kroon | RP, we can patch python to skip the import test, and see how far it gets | 00:14 |
| kroon | RP, thats basically what you suggest right ? | 00:14 |
| RP | kroon: I was suggesting using the /non/exist/path for the rpath in bitbake.conf and override that to use your padded version just in the python-native case | 00:15 |
| kroon | RP, ah ok. yeah ill try that | 00:15 |
| RP | that would tell us how many places the padded version is needed (i.e. how many recipes run binaries during their build) | 00:15 |
| RP | if python is really special, we may just find some other way there. If this is widespread we'd have to go another way | 00:16 |
| * kroon nods | 00:16 | |
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| khem | RP: yeah I saw https://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/commit/?h=master-next&id=74264ac723784e58e11691c561b07a17fd8b2eff | 02:18 |
| khem | RP: I am sending another patch to delete few ppc patches from glibc | 02:18 |
| khem | and I have 4 in upstream discussions | 02:18 |
| khem | so we might be able to get 8-9 patches in glibc out of our way | 02:19 |
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| RP | khem: somehow that gcc patch removal breaks mip64 and ppc only on c++ compile on target. Will have to look into it | 09:53 |
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| kroon | RP, another thing that i noticed was that my native sysroot-components/x86_64/ contains a lot of .a files. although we have the ar intercept now, it might be worth just disabling them in order to save some build time ? there is no point in having .a for the native libraries I suppose ? | 13:08 |
| kroon | RP, (I do use no-static-libs.inc) | 13:09 |
| kroon | RP, in fact, maybe no-static-libs.inc needs some updating | 13:12 |
| RP | kroon: those are meant to be disabled | 13:16 |
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| dvorkindmitry | I am using systemd in my images. But busybox-syslog is installed anyway. I am disabling it as service, but is there good way not to install it if I'm using systemd? | 13:58 |
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| jonmason | RP: question regarding check-layers. Is it acceptable to reference another README in a layer's README (as we do in meta-arm, referring to a common README)? | 15:45 |
| jonmason | If so, I have a patch coming that might resolve the new breaking on meta-arm's check-layer breakage :) | 15:45 |
| Wulf | Hello. I'm looking for a single board computer (including a casing) based on i.MX6 or i.MX8 and with HDMI output and ethernet (two ports preferred). Any suggestions? | 16:00 |
| RP | jonmason: yes, that would seem reasonable | 16:00 |
| RP | jonmason: Looks like we need to tweak some testing as we didn't see those in pre merge testing :( | 16:01 |
| jonmason | RP: the checks look mostly sane (though the "patch" one is a little annoying) | 16:02 |
| RP | jonmason: I'll accept improvements, I'd not have merged had I known about the failures :/ | 16:03 |
| jonmason | RP: no worries. I'll get something out in a little bit. I have something now, but it's a little hacky | 16:04 |
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| * RP is running out of space on his build machines and doesn't know where it has gone | 16:06 | |
| jonmason | RP: I had to order some more hdisks on black friday for that same reason :) | 16:06 |
| jonmason | 8TB seems to be the sweet spot on price | 16:06 |
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| RP | jonmason: I think I may need to do some shopping like that | 16:10 |
| RP | hmm, 186GB of "sources" alone | 16:16 |
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| jonmason | my nas is already at 3.2TB | 16:18 |
| jonmason | and its just sstate, dl_dir, and nightly backups of my homedir (that get purged weekly) | 16:19 |
| RP | jonmason: I'd not dare look at mine, this is just the build machine | 16:19 |
| RP | jonmason: this sources dir has things from 15 years ago | 16:19 |
| jonmason | I has the sstate on my nas so my builders can share it | 16:19 |
| RP | jonmason: I just share it off my main builder | 16:20 |
| jonmason | oh, I have SDK sources from my Broadcom stuff | 16:20 |
| jonmason | and they're even yocto, but never upstreamed | 16:20 |
| jonmason | because "it's too much work" | 16:21 |
| * jonmason wants to rant more, but decides against it | 16:21 | |
| RP | These sources would match openzaurus and so on | 16:21 |
| * RP is starting to think this gcc patch is deep black magic | 16:22 | |
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| jonmason | all gcc is black magic | 16:28 |
| jonmason | and I'm happy with it being a black box | 16:28 |
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| RP | jonmason: I wish I could do that :) | 18:01 |
| jonmason | looking at those tune files was the most I ever had to look into gcc and it was enough for me | 18:02 |
| jonmason | lots of A is actually B under the covers | 18:02 |
| RP | jonmason: I do need to ask you about that cortex tune change Khem was looking at, not sure I like the nocrypto variant :/ | 18:03 |
| RP | jonmason: but not now, need food | 18:03 |
| jonmason | Yes, Ross asked me to look and knew it would be more than a 5 min | 18:04 |
| jonmason | I thought crypto was there for everything. Need to look at source again | 18:04 |
| jonmason | but its a moderately warm day today. so after this patch to fix check-layers, I'm doing yard work | 18:05 |
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| jaskij[m] | Theoretically you can even not have NEON, but ARM states it for "implementations targeting specialized markets" | 19:51 |
| jaskij[m] | But crypto is outright listed as optional at least on A53: https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0500/e/CJHDEBAF | 19:52 |
| jaskij[m] | (which I know realized, I'm mentally stuck with ARM and forgot this might be about an entirely different arch) | 19:54 |
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| jonmason | ARMv7 vs ARMv8 are different | 19:57 |
| jonmason | ARMv7 has optional hard float, etc | 19:58 |
| jonmason | ARMv8 has it as a requirement | 19:58 |
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| jaskij[m] | <jonmason> "ARMv8 has it as a requirement" <- https://developer.arm.com/documentation/den0024/a/AArch64-Floating-point-and-NEON | 20:06 |
| jaskij[m] | Question is, even if allowed by ARM, are those non-standard combinations of interest to Yocto | 20:07 |
| jaskij[m] | (was surprised myself when learning of this) | 20:11 |
| jaskij[m] | on similar note, GCC won't use NEON on v7 without `-funsafe-math` | 20:12 |
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| jonmason | That's fair question | 20:33 |
| jonmason | I'm fully convinced that this entire thing needs to be rewritten to be modular | 20:34 |
| jonmason | But it would take a while | 20:35 |
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| JPEW | moto-timo: I added you as a maintainer on meta-phosh. Here's the first PR you can review: https://github.com/JPEWdev/meta-phosh/pull/26 ;) Just add the "gate" label after CR and Zuul should take care of the rest | 21:06 |
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| moto-timo | JPEW: taking a rest today, but ack | 21:14 |
| JPEW | moto-timo: no worries. Have a good day! | 21:15 |
| kroon_ | RP, if I set phony rpaths in BUILD_LDFLAGS its only python3-native and the kernel that breaks, at least for the images I build | 21:32 |
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| jaskij[m] | <jonmason> "I'm fully convinced that this..." <- Up until fairly recently I've been using Dunfell and my machine files included `TUNE_PKGARCH = "${DEFAULTTUNE}"` because all v8 tunes set `TUNE_PKGARCH` to something like `armv8` | 22:20 |
| jaskij[m] | one thing, iirc crypto implies crc, so that's one combination less | 22:22 |
| jaskij[m] | GCC has six different tune flags for v8-a alone. 8.1 has five (seems crc became mandatory, or bundled with crypto), 8.2 and 8.3 have **ten**, which is the most. (when counting I tried to bundle together yes/no variants like `+crypto` and `+nocrypto`). | 22:29 |
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| RP | jonmason, rburton: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/113/builds/1797/steps/18/logs/stdio is a bit of a cry for help from your metadata :/. I'll fix it in my patch but we should discuss it on Monday | 23:15 |
| jonmason | Can't parse the error on my phone. I'll take a look tomorrow | 23:25 |
| RP | jonmason: it is a rebuild issue, for some reason gcc-runtime is rebuilding in the same directory due to the config differing but the directory not. I saw it elsewhere in the build for init system switches which is expected but I'd not have expected it for meta-arm | 23:31 |
| RP | It suggests a problem somewhere to me | 23:31 |
| RP | or at least something to check | 23:31 |
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