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rburtonRP: thanks for chasing the debian renaming/xkbcommon thing.10:20
rburtonRP: when i sent it i had a feeling the AB might explode...10:20
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RPrburton: it took half the weekend to work those issues out :/10:30
RPrburton: strange we've never tracked down those bugs before10:31
RPrburton: I droped the default enablement of docs just to test the rest of the patches10:31
rburtonyeah10:32
RPrburton: last run was ok so we should be good now. More vim CVEs though :/10:32
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rburtonof course10:34
rburtoni'll attack it again10:35
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JosefHolzmayrTherburton: just for you! https://youtu.be/KmqgRAXygDg11:04
RPrburton: thanks. Grumbling that scripts/contrib/patchreview.py meta/recipes-devtools/gcc doesn't work ;-)11:18
rburtonheh11:18
rburtonpatchreview.y meta|grep gcc isn't too hard right?11:19
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RPrburton: I wanted a stats summary11:19
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rburtonhm i wonder why glib install is rebuilding api docs11:20
rburtonnoticed when do_install was up to 5 minutes11:20
RPrburton: that sounds like something it'd be nice to fix11:22
RPat least a bug opened if you aren't able to do it now11:22
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rburtoni'll replicate first in case it wasn't a weird build mess thing11:26
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coldspark29[m]How to narrow down an error in the U-Boot configuration that results in the kernel freezing while booting?12:16
coldspark29[m]The kernel definitely works, but the Yocto bootloader somehow can't boot it. Tried to check the defconfigs of Android and Yocto with a difftool, but no luck so far12:17
qschulzcoldspark29[m]: figure out if there's an overlap in RAM when loading your images, that will corrupt them12:26
qschulzcoldspark29[m]: enable earlyprintk and configure it so you can see as much as possible during the boot12:26
coldspark29[m]@qschulz Will earlyprintk help in cases in which I already see output? It doesn print some boot messages but then suddenly stops. Sounds like earlyprintk is only for cases in which it doesn't print at boot messages yet12:31
coldspark29[m]s/doesn/does/12:33
qschulzcoldspark29[m]: I bet 5ยข that the watchdog is enabled in U-boot but not disabled soon enough12:34
qschulzcoldspark29[m]: earlyprintk is useful when you have nothing after "Starting kernel..."12:36
coldspark29[m]qschulz: Is it enabled by default? I have no CONFIG_IMX_WATCHDOG set12:38
qschulzcoldspark29[m]: usually not no, it's a config option you enable once you've a product ready, so for eval board or sent by the BSP vendor, probably not12:42
coldspark29[m]Okay thanks12:43
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RPkanavin: I just sent an upgrade for minicom. It is interesting the .gz -> .bz2 compression change may have let AUH miss it :/13:07
RPkanavin: I also got rid of six more pendings :)13:08
kroon"Removing 266 stale sstate objects for arch i686"13:19
kroonBut all I did was add a patch that modifies the commit message in a gcc patch13:19
kroonThen a couple of the target recipes got rebuilt13:20
kroonWhat decides what is a "stale" sstate object ?13:20
RPkanavin: I mailed the puzzles patches to the author, will see what he says13:28
RPkroon: hash changes13:28
RPkroon: hashequiv may bring them back later13:28
kroonRP, so no risk of pre-early sstate object cleanup ?13:32
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kroonIn case the hash changes didn't actually cause any changes in the output13:33
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RPkroon: the pre build cleanup was added as we just hit too many issues doing it later in the build (think of someone reusing the same TMPDIR switching sysvinit to systemd)13:34
RPkroon: we can't defer it until after the hashequiv returns, that is rather hard to arrange dependency wise. The sstate cleanup is also rather fast13:34
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kanavinRP: right, let me look if AUH wasn't picking up the new version13:36
MauroAnjoagherzan Hello! I'm finishing the changes you've asked, but hit a problem when trying to add specific instructions for raspberrypi3 and 4 in 32 bits13:40
MauroAnjoagherzan When I use for instance EXTRA_OECMAKE:append:raspberrypi3 = " -DENABLE_COMPILE_FLAGS_FOR_TARGET=armv8-neon" and build for pizero2w in 64, it appends13:41
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kroonRP, would it make sense to make it possible to disable this pre-build sstate cleanup ? I regularly cleanup my sstate cache in other ways13:43
RPkroon: it isn't cleaning up the sstate directory. It is removing those sstate artefacts from the build directory13:44
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RPkroon: i.e. the expanded output of them13:44
kroonRP, aha ok I see13:44
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RPkanavin: also wondering about apt 2.3.13 vs our 2.2.414:43
RPah, the even version check14:43
* RP looked for that and didn't see it several times :/14:43
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qschulzRP: just a heads up but the OE-Core patches I just send for replacing some problematic words have been tested but the changes do make sense to me15:36
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vm1Hi all! I'm having bitbake stuck 44% at Initializing tasks. occurs on any target. looks similar to this:15:39
vm1https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/poky/topic/bitbake_core_image_minimal/8660350815:39
vm1in ps output I see 3 python bitbake processes,15:39
vm1cooker log ends with saving uninative tar15:39
vm1Is there any way to determine where bitbake hangs?15:39
rburtonvm1: have you set up a sstate mirror?15:40
vm1nope15:40
vm1it is default poky from scratch15:40
vm1running dunfell, latest15:40
vm1it only fails in vmware, runs fine in virtualbox and natively15:41
rburtonthen i blame vmware :)15:41
rburtonmaybe its trying to hit the network and failing15:41
vm1the previous dunfell release works15:41
vm1I doubt it is network, I left it overnight, still was hanging15:42
rburtonps to see if anything is hanging, and netstat to see if there are any in progress network ops15:43
rburtonwe don't check the virtualisation tech, so there's a difference in your vmware vs virtualbox config15:43
JPEWqschulz: I think "testmaster" should "testcontroller" or similar. "golden" doesn't have quite the same meaning in that context. Left a comment on the ML15:43
JPEWqschulz: Unless I'm wrong about what that test is doing which is possible15:44
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qschulzJPEW: "This module adds support to testimage.bbclass to deploy images and run tests using a "master image" - this is a "known good" image that is..."15:49
qschulzFor me that matched the definition of golden but I might have read too quickly and not checked the rest too15:50
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JPEWqschulz: Ah, I think you are correct then. The "testing other images" confused me. Nevermind!15:51
vm1rburton:netstat -- https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/otufubicol.yaml15:52
vm1ps -- https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/unaquhuxod.yaml15:52
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vm1bitbake -n also hangs16:08
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jonmasonRP: it does appear that the crypto unit is optional.  The docs in this area are vague, but I'm seeing other, newer chips saying it is optional for them.  I'll do a clean-up16:21
jonmasonbut for a72, it should be fine16:21
jonmasonwant me to ack the patch?16:21
agherzanMauroAnjo: The compile flags should come directly from machine configuration. I don't think they apply in this case.16:21
RPjonmason: the question is whether to change the existing tune or not. I'm in favour of changing it16:23
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jonmasonRP: honestly, the whole tunes intra for arm needs another pass. There is too muany redundant entries.  I'm just thinking if I need to revisit everything for this crypto thing, if now is the right time16:31
jonmasonI think I'll take a stab at it after lunch16:32
RPjonmason: I'm open to proposals, we may still want to fix this in isolation16:33
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MauroAnjoagherzan Yeap, i did another approach, already pushed it16:58
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khemjonmason: RP  I think 'elegant' fix is to rename existing cortexta72 as cortexa72-crypto and mark cortexta72 as nocrypto but this will require other cortexa72 machines to change otherwise they see a regression in performance. There is another patch which does it more or less how it is for other arm tunes. the fix is needed for rpi4 alone AFAIK and I am also inclined to push it into meta-rpi since it seems to be needing it. but there might be more17:01
khembroadcom SOCs needing it as well,  Either way I am fine as long as we have a way to disable crypto for meta-rpi and I will adjust other machines in meta-rockchip to use new tunes if needed17:01
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jonmasonkhem: why not just make an entry for non-crypto and make it the not-default17:15
jonmasonthen its all in the same file, others can get it, but it has to be asked for specifically17:15
khemthats what my patch does exactly ๐Ÿ™‚17:15
jonmasonok, need to look at patches now :)17:16
khembut I guess RP is not happy calling 'nocrypto' I think its better to call out anamolies rather than decorate defaults unnecessarily17:17
khemjonmason: you might have better view of Silicon partners who are not licencing ARM's crypto AES other than BCOM for this SOC17:17
khemif there are many we might want to accomodate17:17
khemif its one off then I would say nocrypto is better17:18
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jonmasonasking now17:21
jonmasonthe NXP lx2k does have it17:21
khemlimited view I have so far I see rpi4 only17:22
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smurrayheh, crypto acceleration seems like something you'd want in a STB chip ;)17:24
jonmasonrockchip 3399 has it17:24
jonmasonsmurray: the raspi4 is a braodcom stb chip.....17:25
khemyes, although they might have saved some money to produce a cheaper SOC for rpi17:25
smurrayjonmason: heh, yes, hence my ;)17:25
khemjonmason: its not used in STBs17:25
jonmasonkhem: yell at florian on your next call17:26
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khem๐Ÿ™‚17:26
jonmasonhe's not responding to my shaming for not having it17:26
smurraykhem: heh, if Broadcom have moved on from STBs with that line, perhaps they could think about not booting the GPU first ;)17:27
khemits early on west coast and its monday ๐Ÿ™‚17:27
khemsmurray: they have slightly different SOCs17:28
smurraykhem: heh, I'm not surprised17:29
agherzanCool MauroAnjo17:31
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khemRP:  https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20211203040602.3503654-1-raj.khem@gmail.com/T/#u is pending it is needed for pi0w17:39
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jonmasonkhem: stb variant of the raspi4 has the crypto.  so, its only the crappy consumer one that has the problem18:03
jonmasonhow do we shame them?18:03
rburtoncortexa72-for-lame-rpi-heres-a-nickel-get-a-proper-soc18:04
jonmasonprobably save a penny, x1 million chips18:05
khemheh cost cutting measures, I thought ARM will not allow such tweaks but here we are18:05
jonmasonmore and more are part of the "standard".  crc is standard in v8.118:07
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khemso in theory calling cortexta72 defaulttune with crypto enabled infact is a false assumption18:09
khembut in practice ?18:09
khemhow many v8.1 based SOCs are without crypto18:10
khemif we can answer that we can pick one patch or other18:10
jonmasonstill no response from internal query.  So the question is is the raspi more popular than nxp and rockchip stuff18:11
rburtonmy hunch would be in yocto, no.18:12
jonmasonit probably is18:12
rburtonwhy oh why did we not add a phone home to the login prompt18:12
jonmasonits never too late18:12
jonmasonmake it the default for poky, then you can see who also is lazy18:13
rburtonjust send uname -a to phonehome.yocto.io18:13
vdthe problem with multiconfig is that the sstate isn't shared, correct? This means that if I have two multiconfigs for the same config, qtwebengine will be compiled twice for example, right?18:14
rburtonthey are share sstate18:15
rburtonerm18:15
rburtonthey can share sstate18:15
vdI recall there was a caveat with using multiconfig to explicit your build variants, but I can't recall what was it18:16
rburtonif you have two multiconfigs that are identical, the problem you have is racing (two threads both with different routes to the same hash, so they both decide to build the same thing)18:16
vdrburton hum ok, so while you can, it's not ideal to use multiconfigs to explicit e.g. a "production" and "development" build with you simply set a custom OVERRIDES to tweak the software stack. Am I correct?18:17
khemmulticonfig makes sense when your product has n different SOCs running different OSes18:19
vds/with/where/18:19
khemeverything else is stretching it too far18:19
vdkhem by production you mean having binaries built for different architectures without the same image, correct?18:20
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vdby product*18:20
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khemright e.g. say you have a baseband running cortex-r another DSP like chip running cortex-m and cortex-a for main CPU18:21
khemor more like backplace running a x86_64 and line cards running some mips and some ppc and control plane running arm18:22
vdand you need to package all that in the same .wic image for example18:22
khemcorrect18:22
vdI see, that was my understanding. I just wanted to make sure before going too far with local.conf tweaks18:23
vdmulticonfigs seemed idea but are clearly not the expected usage.18:23
khemyou could be creative but know that there might be cracks18:23
vdkhem I understand. I clearly want to avoid any potential cracks and keep it simple. I guess I have no choice but to have tooling (like a custom script or kas config fragments) to compose a build and its variants (prod, dev, etc.)18:27
khemprod/dev/ etc are either images or distro configs depending upon what you are doing in them18:29
vdkhem yes they are indeed distro configs. But would you go as far as defining <distro>.conf, <distro>-devel.conf, <distro>-prod.conf, etc.? That's where I'm struggling18:30
khemyes18:34
khemyou can still share sstate18:34
vdI guess a simple compromise is having distro include files conditionally included with e.g. config/distro/includes/${PROFILE}.inc18:38
vdso that I explicit the variant in a config file but I enable it via setting a variable in local.conf18:39
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Guest9356for `oe-run-native` how can I run a program as root?18:41
khemperhaps use 'sudo ' its a wild guess, but it perhaps will already run under pseudo tool from OE so explicit sudo may not be needed18:43
Guest9356my programs needs sudo access for sockets and network interfaces18:43
vdkhem: I'm assuming that you meant that building different distros can share sstate18:44
khemyes right18:45
Guest9356khem, says command isn't found when i put sudo before oe-run-native as well as after the recipe and before the command18:45
vdI was discussing about organizing the distro files without ending with dozen of distros, but I think I figured out with the include files trick.18:46
kanavinkhem, I queued a libseccomp version update that removes the patches from https://github.com/seccomp/libseccomp/pull/32718:57
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kanavinthey're having merge conflicts all over the place, so it'd be better to land them upstream first18:58
vdcan two distros share the same DEPLOY_DIR?19:18
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kanavinvd, what's the use case?19:23
rfs613hmm, I'm able to run "bitbake -c cleansstate $PKG; bitbake $PKG", but for the same PKG, running "devtool modify $PKG" fails while applying patches, and no workspace is produced.19:24
vdkanavin: I am building a generic distro and few variants for it (for dev tweaks, hardened for prod, branding, ...) and I wanted all the builds to deploy the same directory to ease development and archiving in CI.19:32
kanavinvd, I'm afraid those builds will step on each other19:34
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vdkanavin: bad practice, I see. I wanted to avoid an additional copy step outside of bitbake, but that will be tricky. Unless maybe with DEPLOY_DIR .= "/${DISTRO}" in the distro conf and DEPLOY_DIR = "/srv/deploy" in local.conf?19:38
kanavinvd, I don't think it's a good idea to make bitbake deploy directly somewhere public to be honest. I'd rather do any needed copying after bitbake is done.19:42
vdkanavin it isn't public, it's the "staging" place after build where jenkins will pick and copy them somewhere else19:45
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vdDEPLOY_DIR .= "/${DISTRO}" should avoid conflicts...19:57
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vddo you guys end up with many distros in your projects?20:58
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khemkanavin: I think its ok perhaps I will move that patch to meta-riscv21:25
kanavinkhem, thanks, I thought seccomp isn't a particularly critical feature21:26
khemit is a distro feature so someone can disable it for rv3221:26
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RPjonmason: I'm basically asking if you have a preference on direction. My preference is not the "-nocrypto" variant but to add a "-crypto" one22:58
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RPI've not seen a patch with the right description yet :/22:59
jonmasonSorry, been running around all afternoon.23:01
jonmasonHere is my fundamental question.  Do we care about good performance for the majority or everything working by default?23:01
jonmasonI think we care about everything working by default, which means that -nocrypto should be the default23:02
jonmasonand those with the crypto offload will need to add a new DEFAULTUNE23:03
RPjonmason: which matches what I'm thinking23:03
RPjonmason: there is a patch which does this but it needs a better description23:03
RPi.e. acknowledges it is a breaking change and what someone needs to do if they have the version of the hardware with offload23:04
jonmasonI need to tweak my lei search parameters23:04
jonmasonRP: should I comment with a recommended description?23:05
RPjonmason: I just somehow need a patch I can queue :)23:06
jonmasonRP: I see khem and Jagadeesh's, but neither is setting the default23:08
RPjonmason: I thought Jagadeesh added a -crypto and changed the default current one to drop the extension ?23:10
RPjonmason: which I think does what we're meaning?23:10
jonmasonyes, looking at them better now23:10
jonmasonI think Jagadeesh's is more inline with what we want23:10
jonmasonand I think adding makes more sense than subtracting23:11
* RP agrees23:11
jonmasonbase plus feature, which is how everything else is23:11
jonmasonthere is a "hole" though23:11
jonmasonit is possible to have crc without crypto23:11
jonmasonand this doesn't cover that23:11
RPjonmason: worry about it if anyone ever finds that hardware?23:12
jonmasonyeah23:12
RPI think we just have to focus on the things which actually exist23:12
jonmasonI'm just thinking about making this more modular to cover every crazy permutation, which probably doesn't even exist in the wild23:12
jonmasonexactly23:12
RPjonmason: I think we shouldn't do that, that path contains madness23:13
RPwe have enough madness23:13
* jonmason agrees23:13
jonmasonsilver lining of tonight is that I can work until 9pm without distraction23:15
RPjonmason: we have the option of adding combinations which I think is the important thing23:15
jonmasonyes, it can be extended if some random person needs it23:16
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jonmasonnow to write an email asking who wants to join me in making YP/Oe more inclusive, in the language way23:17
jonmasonspeaking of madness, rburton said I was entering into it by running builds on an old atom setup23:20
jonmasonafter running lots of builds today, I have to say he was right23:20
RPjonmason: atom systems don't make good build machines. At least it wasn't quark I guess :)23:25
jonmasonRP: my thought was since it should be mostly sstate, it wouldn't matter too much.  very wrong.  even building only 900 packages took over 4h (which was the upper limit in CI)23:26
RPjonmason: atom isn't so good with IO :(23:32
RP(and sstate is mostly IO)23:32
jonmasonthat seems like a fatal flaw, as the whole point for a low power system should be IO driven23:33
jonmasonI need to get rid of all my old HW that's not capable of being either a build or testbed, thus my looking at this old atom system23:35
RPjonmason: I wondered what to do with that quark after it took a couple of minutes to boot up23:38
jonmasonwow that sounds as bad as booting on an emulator23:40
jonmasonI did board bringup on an a57 bases SoC, and it literally took 30mins to boot the kernel.  1 sec per char to the terminal adds up really fast23:41
RPjonmason: it was painful. I remember why I don't use that hardware now23:42
RPjonmason: to be fair that board did have some weird stuff on it (mcafee and more)23:42
* RP didn't look too hard23:42
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jonmasonI hope this was after you left intel, and thus weren't obligated to like the board23:43
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