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| mckoan | good morning | 06:51 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 06:54 |
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| mckoan | hey LetoThe2nd, how was Dublin ? | 07:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | mckoan: very busy and very awesome! | 07:08 |
| mckoan | LetoThe2nd: :-D | 07:09 |
| LetoThe2nd | I couldn't stick with the YP booth as much as I would have liked, but on the other could connect with very many people :-) | 07:11 |
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| abelloni | LetoThe2nd: sneaking illegal products ;) | 07:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | abelloni: i'm kinda disappointed we didn't make it through all of the bottle. almost there, i think there's only like 5-10 shots left in it. | 07:31 |
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| abelloni | LetoThe2nd: didn(t you get a refill at Teeling ? :) | 07:56 |
| LetoThe2nd | abelloni: i just refilled myself. | 08:03 |
| abelloni | Did you try poitín? | 08:03 |
| LetoThe2nd | abelloni: no, at least not consciously. i tried the three at teeling, bought kilbeggan single pot and single grain (and handed out those two), and had a classic bushmills black at the airport to wrap things up. | 08:06 |
| abelloni | we stayed a bit behind during the distillery tour and we chatted with one of the workers there | 08:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | abelloni: shameless plug: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6976910500592762880/ | 08:08 |
| abelloni | he said we could ask for poitín at the bar | 08:08 |
| abelloni | this was 72% of alcohol | 08:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | hmm but thats no fun to drink straight. | 08:08 |
| LetoThe2nd | the internets say teeling poitin is 52.5%, that sounds more reasonable. | 08:10 |
| abelloni | the bottled one, yes | 08:10 |
| LetoThe2nd | heh so they gave you a cask ;-) | 08:10 |
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| abelloni | well, it was in a bottle but not a commercial one | 08:17 |
| abelloni | it is a part they sample before mixing | 08:18 |
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| LetoThe2nd | ah cool | 08:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | i got pulled into "things" towards the end of the teeling party with the cisco and comcast people. | 08:19 |
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| mcfrisk | is there a variable which points to a specific meta layer path? I'd use it for 'git describe' | 09:00 |
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| mcfrisk | not sure if using TOPDIR is a good idea.. | 09:07 |
| qschulz | mcfrisk: LAYERDIR? | 09:07 |
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| mcfrisk | LAYERDIR: "When used inside the layer.conf configuration file, this variable provides the path of the current layer." But I'm looking for this outside of layer conf.. | 09:11 |
| mcfrisk | I can use the same path which is in bblayers.conf since that is generated, a bit of a hack but could do | 09:12 |
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| qschulz | mcfrisk: set a unique variable with LAYERDIR in it? | 09:16 |
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| fabatera[m] | Would anyone confirm whether the following should work: | 09:43 |
| fabatera[m] | Running bitbake -c devshell virtual/kernel from a docker container running inside a screen session. | 09:43 |
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| rburton | mcfrisk: what do you actually want to do? bitbake has functions to give you the layer/version breakdown you see when the build starts. if you want to save the layer path then just do an immediate assignment in layer.conf, ie MY_LAYER:= "${LAYERDIR}" | 10:40 |
| mcfrisk | rburton: I want to create a BUILD_ID for a layer which uses kas to setup all needed layers. Then use that for os-release, image file and SDK versioning. | 10:43 |
| * RP has wondered about having a better API for layers in this area | 10:47 | |
| RP | it is also risky though as far too easy to hardcode layer paths into sstate sigs | 10:47 |
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| rburton | RP: mcfrisk there is poky-contrib:ross/layerpath... | 11:04 |
| mcfrisk | I think I'll contibute a simple git-describe.bbclass which can be used for such, I'll document examples there. | 11:07 |
| rburton | mcfrisk: have you seen image-buildinfo.bbclass? | 11:09 |
| rburton | extending buildcfg.py to have a describe function would make sense | 11:10 |
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| RobertBerger | @fabatera[m]: yes this works, I use it from byobu on top of the screen session ;) | 11:48 |
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| qschulz | mcfrisk: if you want to change SDK_VERSIOn/DISTRO_VERSION/MAINTAINER< why not just define a new distro which includes poky.conf? | 12:29 |
| qschulz | and change them there? | 12:33 |
| rburton | or just write your own distro, don't use poky for production! | 12:36 |
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| RP | rburton: the other bug we really need to fix is this systemd one with the postinst issue that keep affecting avahi | 13:23 |
| RP | rburton: https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/102/builds/3595/steps/12/logs/stdio was it appearing again | 13:23 |
| * RP keeps forgetting this one | 13:23 | |
| * RP suspects that may be our most frequently occurring now | 13:23 | |
| fabatera[m] | <RobertBerger> "@fabatera[m]: yes this works..." <- Thank you! Something is missing here then. I get only a blank new line after running bitbake -c devshell ... | 13:24 |
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| mcfrisk | qschulz, rburton: yea but my 'product' is just an intermediate meta layer with some features added on top of poky, meta-oe etc. When testing the binaries I still want to know what versions are on target. It's all based on poky and with as few changes as possible. I can host the bbclass also elsewhere, it's that tiny.. | 13:30 |
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| JPEW | RP: Can we just use `bc` instead of postinstall scripts maybe | 13:43 |
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| qschulz | mcfrisk: I think we are more challenging the = => ?= change in poky.conf | 13:47 |
| qschulz | mcfrisk: I would very much not have this, because I already foresee users coming to us with logs where the distro says poky but the version is like 100.5.18-gdecaf and this will make it a bit harder to get the proper information quickly | 13:48 |
| qschulz | (it's often important to know which version of poky git repo the user is using, this does it pretty well if they're using poky) | 13:49 |
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| vermaete | Could it be that 'touchscreen' is still in the documentation, but not anymore in the code as MACHINE_FEATURE. | 13:50 |
| RP | JPEW: the hard part is ensuring it was built | 13:50 |
| vermaete | https://docs.yoctoproject.org/singleindex.html#machine-features | 13:51 |
| vermaete | ca8f7ecca7c19933ffcf1a9f080a39a84318ebb4 in poky | 13:51 |
| qschulz | mcfrisk: you could have a distro which is literally just: require conf/distro/poky.conf DISTRO_VERSION = "git describe stuff" | 13:52 |
| qschulz | vermaete: nothing uses this feature in poky indeed | 13:53 |
| qschulz | without thinking too much, I'd say you could send a patch to yocto-docs git repo to fix this | 13:55 |
| qschulz | thanks for the report! (and looking forward to the patch :) ) | 13:55 |
| vermaete | qschulz Thanks, will send a patch somewhere this week. | 13:56 |
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| rburton | RP: what's the bug for that? | 14:07 |
| rburton | ah https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14787? | 14:09 |
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| rburton | using run-postinsts in the dnf.py tests does seem overkill. thats got invasive and non-trivial postinsts | 14:11 |
| JPEW | rburton: Ya, that what I was thinking also | 14:12 |
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| rburton | RP JPEW i can poke at this now | 14:14 |
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| RP | JPEW: I was thinking a bit more. We know dnf will be installed to run these tests so I suspect we can use some dependency of dnf :) | 14:26 |
| RP | rburton: ^^^ | 14:26 |
| RP | maybe some dbg package? | 14:26 |
| JPEW | Oh, ya a -dbg package would probably work well. A "normal" package would probably break dnf when it's uninstalled though | 14:27 |
| RP | I wonder if we should create a test package somewhere specifically for this | 14:27 |
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| zwelch | i find myself spec'ing a microcontroller to offload some CPU tasks: gpio, rs232, i2c, and a few low-level timing-critical tasks. I can find a part to satisfy my requirements easily enough (leaning toward something with a Cortex M), but good silicon is not enough. The question I have here today is along the lines of "who is the least evil vendor?" when it comes to uC tools, such that I can build my firmware in Yocto from source using out-of-th | 16:34 |
| zwelch | e-box support. | 16:34 |
| fray | Cortex M (or R) doesn't build directly from YP in most cases. You'll need something like Zephyr or other custom (non-Linux) OS or baremetal config.. | 16:35 |
| zwelch | For more context, I want the binary firmware to be bundled into the RFS, such that the CPU can update the uC as needed. | 16:35 |
| fray | with that said there are some vendors who do have baremetal compilation support as part of the Yocto Project.. but it's pretty spotty (to the best of my knowledge) | 16:35 |
| zwelch | Right, the uC firmware will be a non-OS. | 16:35 |
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| fray | I'm not familiar with most of the current semis for ARM based systems that include M/R functionaity on the same chip. (I work for AMD/Xilinx, I'm really only familiar with our stuff) | 16:36 |
| zwelch | IIRC, doesn't the BBMULTICONFIG stuff enable this kind of scenario? | 16:36 |
| fray | yes it can. Where I am, we're JUST startign to use multiconfig to do that kind of thing. For instance out ZynqMP FPGA SoC contains Cortex-A, Cortex-R and Microblaze CPUs (in addition to the FPGA logic which could say be turned into a risc-v).. We've got code [reccently released as EA] that uses multiconfig to build all of the parts and pieces from source for their respective ISAs.. | 16:38 |
| fray | but multiconfig really is (IMHO) the right way to do it. This way developers who only care abou tthe baremetal can do "single" builds for their work.. but a system integrator can do a master build of everything | 16:38 |
| rburton | zwelch: meta-arm has plenty of examples of using the prebuilt arm gcc for M to build eg TF-M. I want to move that to multiconfig as fray says, but this way works... | 16:41 |
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| zwelch | fray: Yup, i"m wearing both hats. I get to write the firmware and then integrate the image into the RFS, just as soon as I spec the part and have our EE integrate it with the next rev of the board. The BBMULTICONFIG support seems a natural fit, and it sounds like the `meta-arm` bits that rburton just mentioned would let me build this firmware. Seems possible, at least. | 16:44 |
| zwelch | Thanks for the leads. :) | 16:45 |
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| rburton | zwelch: the short version is that meta-arm-toolchain ships recipes for the binary releases of the arm toolchains for R and M cores, so your firmware recipe can just depend on them and use them to build | 16:52 |
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| mischief | for some reason my kernel recipe fails in do_kernel_configme. it seems that it fails because ccache is not in $PATH. my recipe for the kernel uses inherit ccache, but i don't see ccache in recipe-sysroot-native/usr/bin/. any idea what i can do about that? | 18:51 |
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| ferlzc | Hi, i`m trying to use libssh2 recipe as a dependency to compile a custom recipe that needs it to compile. The problem is that I'm not figuring out which is the correct way to pass to gcc the path o libssh2 provided by yocto. | 19:16 |
| ferlzc | I'm trying to use EXTRA_OECONF += "lib=${STAGING_LIBDIR}/libssh2" | 19:16 |
| ferlzc | if I check via devshell, the recipe-sysroot/lib/libssh2 exists but the folder is empty | 19:19 |
| ferlzc | and I'm unable to find the libssh2.so | 19:19 |
| ferlzc | any direction on where I should look? | 19:20 |
| mischief | ferlzc: did you add it to DEPENDS? you probably want to use pkgconfig to find it properly. | 19:29 |
| ferlzc | yes I did, how do I use pkgconfig to find the proper path? | 19:30 |
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| mischief | ferlzc: usually you use pkg-config --cflags for compiler flags and pkg-config --libs for linker flags. | 21:08 |
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| khem | jaskij: rusts rolling release model is not inline with yocto release model as you are seeing the effects and it’s a hard sell because the way they distribute the compiler and dev env is via rustup and abstracts on top of distros | 21:53 |
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| khem | And it’s not a problem on desktop distros or native environments since you can always keep up with rustup however cross build infrastructures like yocto has problems | 21:54 |
| khem | Best is to raise the awareness maybe it will stabilize with editions and I am hoping of you write your a/w conservatively and pin to older editions you might not have a big need for newer compilers | 21:55 |
| khem | Right now the modus operandi is update the compiler and move on and to their credit they have made it quite simple to do so with rustup it’s a dream for developers but a nightmare for release engineers | 21:57 |
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| moto-timo | @khem ++ | 22:18 |
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| jaskij[m] | khem @khem:matrix.org: my whole point of pinging you was that I hoped someone with more knowledge would participate in that issue. I know at least the RHEL and Fedora maintainer did join. | 23:05 |
| jaskij[m] | I have had no troubles so far, but if their libc FFI drops 1.59 using Rust with Yocto will likely become hell. | 23:05 |
| jaskij[m] | I read Cargo's dock a few times and it does not seem like `--locked` or `--frozen` do what we'd want and keep the build to specific update versions. | 23:05 |
| jaskij[m] | And asking the Rust team to backport features will go nowhere. FYI there's a `MSRV` field introduced which, once Cargo's resolver takes it into account, hopefully use solve this issue. | 23:05 |
| jaskij[m] | Urgh, sorry for the wall of text, Element erased my newlines | 23:05 |
| mischief | speaking of rust, do you guys know if it's possible to make statically linked binaries with rust in yocto? | 23:15 |
| mischief | the ones i tested out were all dynamic. | 23:15 |
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