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| jdiez | rob_w: are you RobW from yesterday? we were talking about some meta-ros* build failures | 08:08 |
| rob_w | nope sorry | 08:09 |
| jdiez | np sorry | 08:09 |
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| LetoThe2nd | yo dudX | 09:01 |
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| Meyrevived | Hey all, I have a question for an automation job I'm building | 09:10 |
| mckoan | Meyrevived: dont't ask to ask, ask :-D | 09:11 |
| Meyrevived | Part of the job is to benchmark a qemu emulator running various yocto versions. The job code is in Python, I'm using qemu.qmp and I keep getting "qemu.qmp.ConnectError Failed to establish connection: [Errno 2] No such file or directory" | 09:12 |
| Meyrevived | I suspect that it's because even though I'm running my program from the yocto's build dir after running source oe-init-build-env, the new process the python runs does not have this command run and I'm not sure how to incorporate it into my code. | 09:12 |
| Meyrevived | Actually, it's impossible to run "source" commands with python. I thought about a separate bash script that would run these commands and bitbake etc. but the rest of the automation job is python and if there's the slightest chance that it can be done via python or just more elegantly, I prefer to find a way to do it. | 09:16 |
| Meyrevived | I've only been familiar with the Yocto project for the past ~4 months so there's a lot I don't know yet. | 09:16 |
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| luc4 | Hello! I'm creating my first image with yocto for an embedded device that will run a single task. For such a device, would you run everything as the root user? Or would you create a multi-user system? | 09:39 |
| neverpanic | Always create a multi-user system. Never run services as root. | 09:47 |
| abelloni | definitively run the service as a simple user | 09:47 |
| neverpanic | It's just basic security hygiene to do this right. | 09:47 |
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| jdiez | how do you guys iterate on image builds? in the general case where more than a single package has changed. Do you rewrite the flash every time? or only update the rootfs somehow? | 10:22 |
| rburton | jdiez: you can turn on package management and update with that, assuming you have networking between target and build machine | 10:23 |
| rburton | jdiez: if you're writing code then devtool can deploy binaries over ssh directly | 10:23 |
| jdiez | yeah, I have package management enabled. If you mean `devtool deploy-target`, AFAIU that only works on a single package basis | 10:24 |
| jdiez | for example, I just added generation of a locale to my distro config. That caused a couple of other packages to be rebuilt. Would I do `devtool deploy-target core-image-minimal` or so? | 10:27 |
| rburton | no | 10:29 |
| rburton | devtool deploy-target is, as you say, for a single traditional recipe | 10:29 |
| rburton | not image-wide | 10:29 |
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| rburton | jdiez: see https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/packages.html#using-runtime-package-management and https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-PACKAGE_FEED_URIS for how to use a package feed. basically: set PACKAGE_FEED_URIS in your distro/local.conf for where the build machine's http server will be. rebuild image once to get that information in the image and install that. | 10:33 |
| rburton | then run a web server on the deploy feed (python3 -mhttp.server works) and 'bitbake package-index' when you want to use it. | 10:33 |
| rburton | at that point you can opkg/dnf/apt update/upgrade/install as needed. | 10:33 |
| jdiez | okay, I see. Neat. Thanks. | 10:34 |
| rburton | (if you set PACKAGE_FEED_URIS you don't need to do any config on the target) | 10:34 |
| jdiez | I suppose a PR server is also needed to increment package versions after rebuilds? | 10:36 |
| rburton | if you want it to just work yes. i'm too lazy and know what i changed so just tell opkg to reinstall :) | 10:38 |
| jdiez | gotcha | 10:39 |
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| jdiez | I'm ending up with ~1GB of unneeded firmware in /lib/firmware and 177 linux-firmware-* packages installed, even though my `MACHINE_FIRMWARE` variable only contains like 5 entries. Why would that happen? | 10:52 |
| JaMa | jdiez: see package dependencies something is pulling linux-firmware package for you probably | 10:53 |
| JaMa | jdiez: last time it was symlink from one of the linux-firmware-* packages to a file in linux-firmware | 10:53 |
| jdiez | yeah, I'm looking at task-depends.dot, but it's not clear to me what is depending on the whole linux-firmware package | 10:54 |
| jdiez | oh I see, it's this: https://github.com/balister/meta-sdr/blob/2c41e0eac99d826d92d2ebe43ca5d2c4499d76ef/recipes-images/packagegroups/packagegroup-sdr-base.bb#L38 | 10:56 |
| jdiez | how rude of meta-sdr :) (I found it by `rg linux-firmware meta*`) | 10:56 |
| jdiez | seems kind of unusual to include linux-firmware in a package group that deals with userspace applications, not sure why the author would do that in the first place (except a misconfigured build on their side?) | 10:59 |
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| abelloni | I'm using nfs so I don't have to flash anything | 11:11 |
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| JaMa | jdiez: it was there before 2014 (when the package wasn't so big yet) already see https://github.com/balister/meta-sdr/commit/2c12a4d113ff3a19402abbd0cb1c136ce62fcc17 | 11:17 |
| JaMa | jdiez: patches are surely welcome | 11:17 |
| JaMa | jdiez: Crofton: https://github.com/balister/meta-sdr/commit/aaccf19a2e0c34f53d1a34bd7335073459687b08 | 11:17 |
| jdiez | JaMa: yeah will gladly open a PR, just wanted to understand the context of why that was added | 11:18 |
| JaMa | yeah, the commit message sucks | 11:18 |
| usvi | hello. I have a strange problem where out of a sudden, th sqlite database gets corrupted | 11:20 |
| usvi | I collected a couple of run logs here: https://paste.zi.fi/p/cofilgeav.txt | 11:21 |
| usvi | I start to get "Removing 3 stale sstate objects for" messages and then in the next run the build fails | 11:22 |
| rburton | usvi: if you want a quick fix, deleting the tmp/ and rebuilding from sstate would do that and take about a minute | 11:26 |
| rburton | but saving tmp/ and filing a bug would be useful | 11:26 |
| usvi | I'm probably just doing something against the rules, so I'll go with deleting the cache first | 11:27 |
| rburton | deleting all of tmp is save, it will just pull from your sstate-cache | 11:31 |
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| rburton | (and the database that pseudo is talking about is in tmp/) | 11:31 |
| usvi | OH | 11:31 |
| usvi | aHaa TMPDIR = "${TOPDIR}/arago-tmp" | 11:33 |
| usvi | hmm, I did not have that directory. I had arago-tmp-default-glibc | 11:39 |
| usvi | this is directly from TI, I just checked fresh checkout & setup | 11:40 |
| usvi | should I have the variable as ${TOPDIR}/arago-tmp-default-glibc ? | 11:40 |
| rburton | arago probably extends the value | 11:43 |
| rburton | bitbake-getvar TMPDIR will tell you what the value is | 11:43 |
| rburton | but also: the file you have on disk tells you what the value is :) | 11:44 |
| RP | Does anyone know if ninja changed the way it forks off processes? | 11:46 |
| Crofton | Hey! I'm not at a computer right now and am in a tube. I suspect it was a case of I needed a demo to work | 11:46 |
| RP | I'm suspecting it might fork off "as much as it can" with a lowered nice level | 11:47 |
| RP | Crofton: as long as it isn't a sealed tube I guess | 11:47 |
| RP | kanavin, rburton: any ideas what ninja is doing or if it changed? | 11:48 |
| kanavin | not off the top of my head | 11:49 |
| kanavin | RP, ^ | 11:49 |
| usvi | rburton: you were right, it is expanded correctly to arago-tmp-default-glibc | 11:50 |
| RP | kanavin: ok, thanks | 11:50 |
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| Crofton | @jdiez: I'm traveling at the moment. The Linux firmware is likely a 9 year old artifact. Things were likely very different then. | 11:54 |
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| usvi | I am NOT building on tmpfs, I hope this is not a problem | 12:03 |
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| jdiez | Crofton: yeah, gotcha. I will open a MR with some fixes soon. Thank you for the feedback! | 12:38 |
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| usvi | my predecessor had made this in a recipe install -m 0700 ${S}/src/lib/* ${D}/usr/lib/python3.5/ | 12:46 |
| usvi | but how do I make this dynamic ? | 12:46 |
| usvi | because now I updated from thud to kirkstone and python got updated from 3.5 to 3.10 | 12:46 |
| usvi | is there a dynamic lib variable for python3 version? | 12:47 |
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| yocton | Does that make sense for a recipe to inherit native AND useradd ? (It feels wrong to me) | 12:59 |
| rburton | RP: not aware of any ninja changes and we last upgraded a long time ago | 13:10 |
| rburton | usvi: see python3-dir.bbclass | 13:10 |
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| rburton | usvi: a better way is to use a python build system to install, and that will know where to put it | 13:10 |
| RP | rburton: this performance thing does seem to have been there a while :/ | 13:12 |
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| usvi | rburton: okey thanks | 13:18 |
| RP | how big/heavy are vulkan-samples and vulkan-validation? :/ | 13:29 |
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| michalsieron | hello | 13:32 |
| michalsieron | landgraf: do you remember this bug with premirrors I reported two weeks ago? https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15369 | 13:33 |
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| michalsieron | it turns out the provided solution didn't fix my use case | 13:34 |
| michalsieron | or at least not directly | 13:34 |
| michalsieron | what did fix it was this patch https://lists.openembedded.org/g/bitbake-devel/message/15817 | 13:34 |
| rburton | RP: i don't _think_ samples is that heavy | 13:35 |
| michalsieron | btw. how am I supposed to understand this paragraph from the RRECOMMENDS docs https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-RRECOMMENDS | 13:40 |
| michalsieron | > Packages specified in RRECOMMENDS need not actually be produced. [...] If such a recipe does exist and the package is not produced, the build continues without error. | 13:40 |
| michalsieron | If recipe `foo` pulls in recipe `bar` through RRECOMMENDS and `bar` has an error during compilation, should the build continue (as in `bar` errors degraded to warnings) or fail? | 13:40 |
| Saur | yocton: No, it does not make any sense for a recipe that inherits native to also inherit useradd. | 13:42 |
| rburton | michalsieron: all that means is that its not an error to recommend a package that doesn't exist, and it won't cause dependency failures when you build an image | 13:43 |
| yocton | Saur: Thanks for the confirmation! :) | 13:44 |
| michalsieron | rburton: > However, there must be a recipe providing each package, either through the PACKAGES or PACKAGES_DYNAMIC variables or the RPROVIDES variable, or an error will occur during the build. | 13:45 |
| michalsieron | In what situation does package not exist but is still being provided? | 13:45 |
| rburton | yeah that needs rewording | 13:46 |
| rburton | package A can recommend B, and it's fine if B doesn't exist | 13:46 |
| Saur | michalsieron: There are many cases where packages are provided but not created. E.g., most recipes do not actually produce an ${PN}-doc package even if it is listed in PACKAGES. | 13:47 |
| michalsieron | Saur: so situations where package is empty and doesn't set ALLOW_EMPTY? | 13:48 |
| rburton | it literally just means a package can recommend another package that doesn't have to exist | 13:51 |
| michalsieron | ok. thanks | 13:54 |
| Ad0 | how do I completely turn off hostname and serial console both in u-boot and kernel? | 13:57 |
| Ad0 | I want to sent a transient hostname and yocto fills it in with the machine | 13:57 |
| Ad0 | it has to be empty to be set as a transient in kernel 5.10+ | 13:57 |
| Ad0 | or at least in kirkstone | 13:58 |
| rburton | Ad0: you'll want to poke at base-files | 13:58 |
| michalsieron | and when it comes to difference between RRECOMMENDS and RSUGGESTS, is it: | 13:58 |
| michalsieron | recommends -> package manager will install (possibly by default, with potential option to disable) all recommended packages, but removing one later would not break dependency chain | 13:58 |
| michalsieron | suggests -> user can see, which packages may be related and beneficial to have installed alongside, but has to install them on their own | 13:58 |
| michalsieron | or in other words, RRECOMMENDS is opt out and RSUGGESTS is opt in? | 13:58 |
| michalsieron | do I understand that correctly? | 13:58 |
| Ad0 | hostname:pn-base-files has to be empty if it's even allowed | 13:58 |
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| rcw | jdiez: I am RobW from yesterday (I was being lazy about fixing my NickServ, but just did it to avoid future confusion) | 14:45 |
| rcw | jdiez: How are things going? | 14:46 |
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| jdiez | rcw: welcome back :) I got ros2 humble running on my board, with the pyyaml PACKAGECONFIG fix that moto-timo suggested. I tried your mickledore-next branch, but I still had the build error | 14:48 |
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| rcw | jdiez: I'm glad to hear that! If you have a moment could you file an issue on github about the pyyaml error you saw with the fix? | 14:49 |
| jdiez | rcw: I can definitely do that, but it's not a problem with any code in meta-ros* | 14:49 |
| * rcw nods | 14:50 | |
| rcw | Since Mickledore is EOL, I don't mind taking the patch in meta-ros | 14:50 |
| jdiez | okay, gotcha. Will file an issue shortly | 14:51 |
| jdiez | in the meantime, I have another ROS-related question, if you don't mind | 14:51 |
| jdiez | how should user-created/downstream ROS packages or workspaces be packaged? Should I use superflore as well? | 14:51 |
| jdiez | I added demo-nodes-cpp to my IMAGE_INSTALL, and they end up getting installed in /usr/lib/demo_nodes_cpp | 14:52 |
| jdiez | rcw: https://github.com/ros/meta-ros/issues/1100 | 14:58 |
| rcw | jdiez: I wouldn't recommend superflore, it is really just for the packages tracked by rosdep | 15:01 |
| rcw | jdiez: In our working group, we discussed creating sample recipes as a starting point for different ROS application types | 15:02 |
| rcw | In the mean-time, you might take a look at the recipes for the ros2/demos examples (https://github.com/ros2/demos) | 15:03 |
| jdiez | rcw: that would be highly useful for us as well :) but if you can just give me general hints or some docs pointers, that would be cool | 15:04 |
| rcw | eg. https://github.com/ros/meta-ros/tree/master/meta-ros2-humble/generated-recipes/demos | 15:05 |
| jdiez | yep, was looking at that | 15:06 |
| jdiez | so we would write something like this: https://github.com/ros/meta-ros/blob/master/meta-ros2-humble/generated-recipes/demos/demo-nodes-cpp_0.20.3-1.bb | 15:06 |
| usvi | lets say a recipe builds an ipk. is there possibility to copy that ipk somewhere for archival purposes as a part of the recipe? | 15:07 |
| rcw | jdiez: Also, if you have questions specific to ROS or meta-ros instead of Yocto, you may also get in touch with me here: https://discord.com/invite/PWTYK5AmZZ | 15:07 |
| jdiez | which using the classes and such in meta-ros, will create a package containing a ros workspace with the nodes/launch files in demo_nodes_cpp, and deploy it to /usr/share/demo_nodes_cpp? | 15:07 |
| usvi | I tried to spy the environment but could not find anything I could use | 15:07 |
| jdiez | rcw: cool, thanks, will join! | 15:07 |
| rcw | We just created #cwg-openembedded. So far Ryan and I have started talking about this stuff there | 15:08 |
| Ad0 | rburton, if [ "${hostname}" ]; then | 15:08 |
| Ad0 | what if I set it to a whitespace | 15:09 |
| Ad0 | or should I rather do a do_install:append | 15:09 |
| jdiez | rcw: don't see that in the channel browser | 15:09 |
| Ad0 | I guess that is the safest since the check might change in the future | 15:10 |
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| rcw | It is just under "Working Groups" I am "robwoolley" on Discord, if you message me I can invite you. | 15:11 |
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| jdiez | rcw: friend request sent :) I need to work on some other things for a bit, will catch up with you all later on Discord | 15:14 |
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| rburton | usvi: is the archiver class what you're after? | 15:20 |
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| usvi | rburton: I'll take a look, thanks again | 15:26 |
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| rburton | usvi: might not be but depends on your needs | 15:29 |
| usvi | rburton: btw I ran the build from point 0 scratch, again "Removing 3 stale sstate objects for arch" | 15:30 |
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| usvi | and failed build, again with different output | 15:33 |
| usvi | ok I gotta analyze later | 15:33 |
| usvi | If I clean the image and rebuild, it works | 15:33 |
| rcw | Here is the proper link for anyone else that wants to join @cwg-openembedded on the OSRF Discord server: https://discord.gg/open-robotics-1077825543698927656 | 15:39 |
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| landgraf | has ordering ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND been changed recently? It broke usecases (workarounds) like this one https://github.com/konsulko/meta-container-demo/blob/master/recipes-core/images/build-container.bb#L18 | 16:20 |
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| moto-timo | rcw: is there a way to get an .ical for the ROS OE WG meetings? | 16:43 |
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| rburton | landgraf: remove the ; | 16:59 |
| rburton | apart from that i didn't think it meaningfully changed | 16:59 |
| RP | landgraf: it shouldn't have changed, we did just add code to remove the ';' chararcters | 17:01 |
| landgraf | RP: I had to replace += with :append to fix it. += from the recipe added the fixup function before empty_volatile one | 17:03 |
| landgraf | not sure if it's bug or feature :) | 17:03 |
| landgraf | changed in 'classes/recipes: Switch to use inherit_defer' commit according to bisect | 17:04 |
| RP | landgraf: it might be inherit_defer that changed | 17:04 |
| RP | landgraf: right | 17:04 |
| landgraf | I was suprised that my inteview task I did few weeks ago stopped working :-D Thankfully it worked at the time of the interview | 17:05 |
| landgraf | RP: for that qemu bug I've deployed debian 12 and trying to reproduce it locally. Hopefully will have more time tomorrow/Sat. Forgot about the triage today while bisecting rootfs postcommand issue :-/ | 17:08 |
| RP | landgraf: glad it worked when it needed to! :) | 17:08 |
| RP | landgraf: np, it will be interesting to see if you can reproduce it or whether there is something about the autobuilder setup. Worst case we can get you access to one of the workers | 17:09 |
| * landgraf was hit by bugs/features in meta-aws, meta-virtualization, meta-oe and oe-core this week :) | 17:12 | |
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| RP | landgraf: quite the collection. I'm sure the oe-core ones were all features :) | 17:13 |
| JaMa | RP: isn't the BB_PRESSURE_MAX_CPU still a bit low? bitbake is reporting higher numbers since nanbield (will find the link with details) | 17:18 |
| JaMa | RP: https://lists.openembedded.org/g/bitbake-devel/message/15780 | 17:19 |
| RP | JaMa: could be. I'll have a look at the logs after this and see if it needs to be higher | 17:19 |
| JaMa | RP: I'm using 200K and still it throttles, but YMMV on your builders | 17:21 |
| JaMa | while before I was using just 1K with similar results | 17:22 |
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| RP | JaMa: on current builds with the previous setting it has 5 of 16 tasks running and hovering in and out of load which is kind of what you'd expect it to do | 17:23 |
| RP | https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/108/builds/5675/steps/11/logs/stdio is a live one with the previous values | 17:23 |
| JaMa | https://github.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time/commit/d5111f4472ac397c0f1197eb6366ac7d2e56453f shows that with kirkstone 1K and 100K finished in ~2:15, while with the "logic fixes" backported it went down to 3:42 for 1K and for 2:15 build time I had to use 100K | 17:24 |
| JaMa | similarly with nanbield with 1K it was terribly slow 4:34 and only after bumping to 100K it went to reasonable 2:33 | 17:25 |
| RP | JaMa: do you have any load graphs for that system under these different scenarios ? | 17:26 |
| JaMa | yes, there are somehwere in the repo for various builds | 17:26 |
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| RP | JaMa: builds do feel slow on the AB at the moment | 17:27 |
| RP | vmeson: any thoughts on whether we do need higher values? | 17:28 |
| JaMa | TBH my local and jenkins builds feel slower recently even without regulation enabled on jenkins builds | 17:29 |
| JaMa | but our jenkins are now on some cloud nodes which I don't have access to HW, so I blame the HW/virtualization there | 17:29 |
| RP | JaMa: our autobuilder hw hasn't changed so I'm not sure what is going on | 17:30 |
| JaMa | webruntime from OSE eating all the CPUs :) | 17:30 |
| RP | heh, probably :) | 17:31 |
| JaMa | that's the benchmark for me, because webruntime.do_compile time fluctuation on our jenkins nodes is terrible (from 1 to 6 hours) | 17:31 |
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| JaMa | I've added list of graphs in https://github.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time/blob/results/Graphs.md but unfortunatelly didn't create screenshots from grafana from this last pressure regulation testing | 17:48 |
| JaMa | so last is e.g. from langdale https://raw.githubusercontent.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time/results/threadripper-3970x-128gb-gentoo-langdale-2022-07-with-reg-cpu-pressure/4-build-all-cores.grafana.png https://raw.githubusercontent.com/shr-project/test-oe-build-time/results/threadripper-3970x-128gb-gentoo-langdale-2022-07/4-build-all-cores.grafana.png | 17:50 |
| rcw | moto-timo: We are on the Open Robotics Community Event calendar: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=c_3fc5c4d6ece9d80d49f136c1dcd54d7f44e1acefdbe87228c92ff268e85e2ea0@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=UTC | 17:50 |
| rcw | I think you can just click on the ROS OpenEmbedded meeting and do "copy to my calendar" | 17:51 |
| rcw | Here is the ICS file for the whole thing: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/c_3fc5c4d6ece9d80d49f136c1dcd54d7f44e1acefdbe87228c92ff268e85e2ea0%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics | 17:53 |
| RP | JaMa: I'll have to try and find a way to run some isolated tests I think... | 17:56 |
| moto-timo | rcw: thank you I was able to add only the OE WG meeting from the ics link. | 18:12 |
| moto-timo | rcw: this coming week it will conflict with OE TSC meeting (and a US holiday) | 18:13 |
| rcw | moto-timo: Thanks, we have a holiday here too. I updated the minutes but haven't sent out a notice yet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LqUjcu6vdlqVJO62SreCyjzddNDZhfO2n-7qYghY_cQ/edit#heading=h.3vrwbu9vio04 | 18:14 |
| vmeson | RP: I haven't read #yocto yet and I'm in yet another meeting so I won't have time for a while. load average changes so slowly that I think it's okay to raise it . Could it make things worse? !! | 18:26 |
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| jdiez | when using a remote sstate cache (i.e. on a webserver NOT in the LAN), how much data would be downloaded by a developer who doesn't have a local copy, when building e.g. core-image-minimal? | 18:46 |
| jdiez | and what (roughly) order of magnitude of requests? 10? 1k? | 18:47 |
| kanavin | jdiez, it's not difficult to run a local experiment that would establish the answers to these | 18:48 |
| jdiez | true | 18:48 |
| kanavin | jdiez, when building images with a fully populated sstate, only the final rpm (opkg/deb) packages would be fetched from there, and a few extras needed to construct the image | 18:50 |
| vmeson | RP: I read the #yocto history and see that you're asking if we should raise the pressure limit, not the load average limit. As you say, more data would be useful. | 18:50 |
| kanavin | rpm sstate is not split by package, it's one object per recipe with all the packages inside though, so you'd be fetching -dbg -dev etc even if they're not used | 18:50 |
| * vmeson runs some tests on a 24 core system overnight... | 18:51 | |
| jdiez | kanavin: gotcha, thanks | 18:52 |
| vmeson | I'll likely just change the CPU pressure limit: 1000, 2000, 4000, ... and see how long a "no-sstate, with all the source fetched" build of core-image-minimal build takes. | 18:53 |
| JaMa | vmeson: I would start with no regulation to get the baseline, then 1K, 10K, 100K, on 64 thread machine I have similar build time only with 100K or more | 19:03 |
| khem | kanavin: I think jdiez is asking if say the metadata checkedout with no local state and configured to fetch from a remote sstate mirror on internet, and say bitbake finds that 100% of cache can be found on the remote sstate server then how much data will be downloaded. Its important to know for capped internet speeds. What I would say it will depend upon what is being built. but we can have rough numbers for say unmodified core-image-minimal and | 19:03 |
| khem | core-image-sato etc. | 19:03 |
| khem | JaMa: hmmm I might be a victim of this slowness as well.. how much RAM do you have on these machines with 64 cores | 19:04 |
| jdiez | khem: yeah, I just wanted to get a general idea. It seems the number of requests/downloaded data is "roughly proportional" to the packages affected by whichever changes are done by the remote developer. I guess if they want to compile anything, they would download the sstate for the cross compiler and such | 19:05 |
| khem | jdiez: I would say do an experiment with unmodified tree and see how much it fetches | 19:06 |
| jdiez | yeah, will do | 19:06 |
| khem | it will be in few GBs since thats what I see generated when building from scratch and populating local sstate on the way | 19:07 |
| khem | my builds do have clang etc. so it is a bit more | 19:07 |
| moto-timo | rburton: vmeson: on a hunch I disabled the 'perbranch' .annotate part of the StatsView code and it is ok... the overall statistics are: | 19:14 |
| moto-timo | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/y1Bi3DEr/ | 19:14 |
| moto-timo | rburton: vmeson we do want that per branch info though... because if you look at any modern branch, the number of layers is less by about 200 (the are a couple hundred "master" layers that are long bit rotted to not being functional, but layerindex doesn't currently know any better as far as the code goes) | 19:16 |
| khem | rburton: are we looking at layer.conf for LAYERSERIES_COMPAT | 19:17 |
| JaMa | khem: 128G | 19:17 |
| khem | some layers may have single branch support multiple release branches | 19:17 |
| khem | JaMa: ok my case exact half of yours VM it is 32core/64G | 19:18 |
| JaMa | khem: but need to restrict -j for e.g. chromium to avoid OOMK, so 2G per cpu thread is no longer enough for some things like chromium and node | 19:18 |
| JaMa | BB_PRESSURE_MAX_CPU = "200000" | 19:18 |
| JaMa | #BB_PRESSURE_MAX_CPU = "1000000" | 19:18 |
| JaMa | BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "8" | 19:18 |
| JaMa | BB_NUMBER_PARSE_THREADS = "64" | 19:18 |
| JaMa | PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 70 -l 140" | 19:18 |
| moto-timo | and the multiple release support is a conundrum for LayerIndex... what if a 'kirkstone' git branch exists and yet real development/support is on 'master' git branch? (meta-webosose fits this model for instance). Then layerindex either has to guess, or a human has to be involved. | 19:18 |
| JaMa | #PARALLEL_MAKE:pn-qtwebengine = "-j 40" | 19:18 |
| JaMa | PARALLEL_MAKE:pn-webruntime = "-j 40" | 19:18 |
| khem | hmm my lazy math was 2G per core | 19:19 |
| khem | JaMa: BB_NUMBER_THREADS is a bit low isnt it | 19:20 |
| khem | when its not building these hoarders it will be not using full resources | 19:20 |
| JaMa | increasing it doesn't help with build time for me, only makes the overload spikes worse | 19:20 |
| khem | have you tries doing a world build with meta-openembedded included ? | 19:21 |
| JaMa | even with 200K BB_PRESSURE_MAX_CPU it's still often restricted to less than 8 most of the time anyway | 19:21 |
| vmeson | JaMa: sure | 19:21 |
| vmeson | moto-timo: thanks! | 19:21 |
| JaMa | khem: yes and with multilib and other bigger layers, then the world builds take ~30 hours | 19:22 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: I'm a little bit surprised it's 25k recipes, but I still think it pales compared to debian or fedora. | 19:23 |
| vmeson | ~25,000 recipes is about what I expected. I assume that Debian's QA is better than what we do for 80% of those recipes but I really don't know. | 19:23 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: debian QA covers nearly all of their packages, we only cover OE core and whatever individual layer maintainers do. | 19:24 |
| JaMa | it's true that our PCs as many times faster, but the things I do are as slow as they were 30 years ago (as the tasks get bigger and bigger as well) | 19:24 |
| JaMa | with 128G ram I still cannot search all the world builds in jenkins console output on web (is much faster to fetch the logs and search locally) | 19:25 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: https://layers.openembedded.org/rrs/recipes/OE-Core/5.0/M3/ (922 recipes in oe-core) | 19:26 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: some of those recipes marked as "Unknown" if you click through are deleted. again RRS doesn't have code to handle that yet. | 19:27 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: https://layers.openembedded.org/rrs/recipes/meta-openembedded/5.0/Default/ (1755 recipes in meta-openembedded) | 19:28 |
| JaMa | khem: I'll probably give-up on those xfstests, I've reproduced the "cp:" error again during another 100 rebuilds, now checking without parallel make in do_install | 19:29 |
| vmeson | moto-timo: yep. more than 3K, < 50K, and Debian has > 50K ( I don't care about the exact number). | 19:29 |
| JaMa | khem: but those cleanups are IMHO still useful so please keep them in master-next | 19:29 |
| vmeson | moto-timo: yeah, the 1775 number seems low: fd \.bb$ | rev | cut -d"/" -f1 | rev | sort | rg -v packagegroup | wc -l -> 2150 | 19:30 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: and non of those are cross compiled on debian or fedora. | 19:30 |
| * vmeson looks at the list... | 19:30 | |
| moto-timo | vmeson: RRS code might have some issues... I was just happy to get it to display/run the reports again. | 19:30 |
| vmeson | ignoring native recipes -> 2138 | 19:31 |
| vmeson | moto-timo: yes!! | 19:31 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: and last I checked, debian was significantly more than fedora... maybe 2x higher or something like that | 19:32 |
| vmeson | k, it's finally time to read today's batch of email. | 19:32 |
| moto-timo | vmeson: maybe once you bring in rpmfusion you get similar numbers... not sure | 19:32 |
| moto-timo | cheers | 19:32 |
| * moto-timo recalls that the rrs_distros.py code probably would answer the # of packages in Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSUSE question | 19:34 | |
| moto-timo | broken currently | 19:34 |
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| fullstop | Any suggestions on A/B partitioning schemes for a device which is connected over a cellular modem? | 20:05 |
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| khem | fullstop: is it constrained by amount of data it can have as update bundle? | 20:10 |
| khem | if not then symmetric dual bank system might be fine, it has redundancy | 20:11 |
| fullstop | I would like to send binary deltas, if that is what you are asking. | 20:11 |
| fullstop | but I would be fine with sending kernel + dt + rootfs as one bundle. | 20:12 |
| khem | yeah thats what I thought, since you want these systems to have as small update as possible | 20:12 |
| khem | https://sbabic.github.io/swupdate/overview.html#strategies-for-an-application-doing-software-upgrade | 20:13 |
| khem | is a good doc to get some ideas | 20:13 |
| fullstop | thanks, khem, I appreciate it. | 20:13 |
| khem | and this one too https://rauc.readthedocs.io/en/latest/scenarios.html | 20:15 |
| khem | another consideration is to partition most frequent updates to one bundle and slow ones to other bundle, eg. lot of embedded apps are base OS + single application so separate application out to have its own upgradable bundle | 20:17 |
| khem | thats what I have seen, often app is upgraded more frequently | 20:18 |
| fullstop | I was planning on having, a much smaller application partition, and the remainder of the space being used for "data", and not included in A/B | 20:18 |
| fullstop | Kernel + rootfs probably need to go together in one bundle because of kmod versions | 20:19 |
| khem | yeah or you can get more granular with bdiff and bpatch. see https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1555352/FULLTEXT01.pdf | 20:21 |
| khem | I meant bsdiff/bspatch | 20:22 |
| fullstop | Yes, I've used those in the Android world. | 20:28 |
| khem | RP: it seems core-image-sato-sdk:do_testimage gets stuck for qemuriscv64 builds on AB | 20:28 |
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| khem | well its not really stuck I can ssh into qemu and it is running a build of cpio :) so I just need to be more patient I guess | 20:32 |
| khem | RP: I am also seeing "ERROR: Exited from signal Killed (9)" in some ptest runs e.g. with core-image-ptest-libmodule-build-perl on riscv qemu, if I run the test manually inside qemu it works ok so I guess it fails in core-image-ptest-all runs perhaps due to resource pressure on build host | 20:43 |
| khem | I am trying it with QB_MEM:virtclass-mcextend-libmodule-build-perl = "-m 2048" lets see | 20:44 |
| khem | JaMa those xfstests happens in my CI too, so I am interested in trying your patches out and see if it fixes them | 20:58 |
| khem | JaMa: interestingly it only happens for qemuarm builds in my case | 20:58 |
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| AdrianF | :q:q:q | 21:09 |
| khem | Adrian seems to quite annoyed, start using VScode :) | 21:10 |
| Crofton | Lol | 21:10 |
| simonew | vim still open :D? | 21:10 |
| AdrianF | Hm.. yes, I use vim as well. | 21:13 |
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| shoragan | fullstop, if you don't need to have the smallest possible download, RAUC's adaptive update can be a way to keep the simplicity of a A/B rootfs layout while skipping the download of unchanged parts: https://rauc.readthedocs.io/en/latest/advanced.html#adaptive-updates | 21:23 |
| shoragan | the more reproducible your build is, the smaller the changes in the rootfs image. yocto is pretty good for that by now, if configured correctly | 21:25 |
| fullstop | thanks, shoragan, I will definitely read more about adaptive updates. It sounds promising. | 21:30 |
| JaMa | khem: I have reproduced it in qemux86-64 and various other MACHINEs | 21:32 |
| JaMa | khem: I have a lot of debug in install-sh now, but there is nothing which could explain this, now it's on 80th iteration without issue | 21:33 |
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| JaMa | khem: but I'll fix it eventually, now there is no turning back :) unless one of the people who touched the recipe will beat me to it | 21:35 |
| jdiez | fullstop: I'm also looking into small-as-possible updates (for satellite use cases, there the uplink is even more limited) and out of the options in the software update wiki page, meta-updater seems the most promising to me: https://github.com/advancedtelematic/meta-updater | 21:40 |
| jdiez | in short: it's file based binary diffs, you only need one partition and you can have multiple software versions (ostree commits) | 21:41 |
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| JaMa | khem: now I have xfstests reliable reproducer, fix comming soon (I hope) | 22:09 |
| manuel_ | How are you people testing your yocto images? Are you using labgrid or https://docs.yoctoproject.org/test-manual/intro.html#testimage? | 22:11 |
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| khem | JaMa: good going ! reproducing reliably is the hard problem, which you seem to have handle over | 22:31 |
| khem | zeddii: 6.6.15 is regressing riscv32 see - https://autobuilder.yoctoproject.org/typhoon/#/builders/137/builds/17/steps/12/logs/stdio | 22:37 |
| khem | 6.6.12 does not have this issue so I wonder | 22:37 |
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| DiogenesMountain | Hello, I hope everyone is well. I have two images: a production and development image. The machine and distro are currently the same. Is there any way to apply a patch to the kernel source but only for the development image? I believe that with packages in userspace you can create a separate recipe (e.g. recipe, recipe-dev) and install either | 23:57 |
| DiogenesMountain | package into an image as required. Is there a similar approach that can be done for patches to the kernel source? Thanks in advance. | 23:57 |
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