Wednesday, 2024-03-13

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meritbleh00:56
meritstill not really sure on how to _use_ those patches once they made it into the sysroot, but they're there00:58
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merithttps://ctxt.io/2/AACItSZfFg < this feels really close03:00
meritgot a few typos, and I think it's actually right03:05
meritwell.. I think it works03:05
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meritwait.. no it's not04:31
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meritthe "recipe-sysroot" is empty unless I build without the class applied, first04:40
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merithttps://ctxt.io/2/AACIoQUKFg < okay... gotta do it in an afters for the recipe sysroot populate task05:16
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thomas_34Hi guys, I have a hard time to understand how certain terms are defined. For example, what is a target? What is a machine and is it different from a "machine configuration"?06:20
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thomas_34https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/building.html?highlight=multiconfig#building-a-simple-image Chapter 4: "The target is the name of the recipe you want to build."06:28
thomas_34https://docs.yoctoproject.org/dev-manual/building.html?highlight=multiconfig#building-images-for-multiple-targets-using-multiple-configurations : "You can use a single bitbake command to build multiple images or packages for different targets where each image or package requires a different configuration (multiple configuration builds)."06:29
thomas_34I'm confused here. "Target" in the first definition means cleary something different compared to the second sentence.06:29
abluthomas_34: In the first example "target" references to the "bitbake <target>" above.06:33
thomas_34ablu, ahh okay. So when I want to communicate with "yocto-people", what do they understand under the term "target"?06:34
abluthomas_34: Typically it is your build result. What that is probably depends on your context.06:36
thomas_34Okay, so its not the "piece of hardware", which I build software with yocto/bitbake?06:37
abluI would call it "piece of software built for a particular configuration (hardware, tunable, ...)". But I am not sure whether one will be able to find a definition that fits everything.06:40
thomas_34Ok, thank you ablu for your definition06:40
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thomas_34Is there a difference in terms of definition between "machine" and "machine configuration"? Or is machine just the abbreviation for machine configuration?07:15
michaeloHi rburton ! This sounds like very cool. Title + SHA is fine. You can send this to the docs@ mailing list, or directly to me if you prefer. Did you figure out "manually" whether each commit impacts the documentation or not?07:23
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mckoanthomas_34: MACHINE is a variable defining the file containing machine configuration08:34
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Ad0where is the location of the config file used in kernel configure? it is copied somewhere right?09:37
Ad0I have a working defconfig, but I want to change it into fragments09:38
Guest40Good all, I am trying to create a yocto, which has two recipes, one "mount-points" which does the mount of the disks, and in the other one I want to create a directory and add a file to that directory "utilities.bb", in "utilities.bb" I have specified with RDEPEND that "mount-points" must be executed first so there is no conflict with09:40
Guest40"utilities.bb" but I am not able to create the directory after the mount.09:40
Guest40I have tried to create the directory in / instead of in the disk I am mounting and it has worked without problem so I understand that the recipe works fine and the problem is that it will try to mount later and it will step on the directory that is created with "utilities.bb".09:40
Guest40thanks for the help.09:40
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landgrafAd0: https://docs.yoctoproject.org/kernel-dev/common.html#preparing-the-build-host-to-work-on-the-kernel09:44
Ad0that's in the layer, not the working dir09:45
Ad0my idea is to remove the defconfig from my layer and let it use the vanilla config, then replace the config in the working directory so it will be created as a fragment when done09:46
Ad0easier to see what's different so I can remove the shit I don't need09:47
landgrafAd0: The document I linked covered this task iirc09:47
Ad0I don't think it covers the internals like where the config ends up in the working tree09:48
Ad0I need to find that path and replace the file09:48
landgrafAd0: iiuc you want to have vanila defconfig + fragments in your layer, right?09:49
Ad0yes, but I already have a "complete" modified defconfig in my layer already. when I start the task it will use that file . but I will temporarily remove the file and rather replace it in the working tree so a fragment is created09:50
Ad0with several devices with different defconfigs + kernel upgrades I think fragments would be easier09:50
Ad0instead of full defconfigs per device09:51
Ad0also it will remove some bbappend scripting09:51
landgrafAd0: just run find tmp* -name .config in your builddir and you'll find it09:51
Ad0yeah from memory last time I checked there were several09:52
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landgrafafter -c menuconfig of course09:52
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landgrafAd0: I think you're looking for work-shared/*/kernel-build-artifacts/.config09:53
Ad0could be09:53
Ad0I will just try a -c menuconfig and diff the files till I find one that matches09:53
landgrafthere're several but not all are related to kernel.09:53
Ad0thanks! I think the path you have there is correct09:58
enok71Anyone who knows how kernel-fitimage.class works and how to make it create config sections that u-boot can actually use to add a bunch of .dtbo overlay images included in the fitimage file to the included .dtb image at boot time, as described in the u-boot documentation? It looks to me like those config sections emitted by kernel-fitimage are not entirely useful for u-boot. I'm using the latest master HEAD from the poky git repo.10:03
Ad0landgraf, does it generate fragments for me based on the diff from menuconfig?10:05
Ad0the article you gave me seems like i have to manually make my own10:05
Ad0maybe I didn't read well enough10:05
Ad0bitbake -c diffconfig virtual/kernel10:06
enok71Or perhaps nobody uses dtbo in this way and instead creates multiple complete .dtb files and no .dtbos? A waste of space though, as 99% of such dtbs will be identical.10:08
rburtonmerit: do the apply_sysroot_patches as a postfunc on do_patch.  because patch runs before configure and DEPENDS is short-hand for do_configure[depends] you'll need to add the dependency on the other recipe explicitly.10:11
Ad0"Could not locate BSP definition for my-machine/standard and no defconfig was provided" but it is based on raspberry pi tho.10:12
Ad0probably because I set MACHINEOVERRIDES10:16
rburtonby default the yocto-kernel framework uses MACHINE as KMACHINE10:21
rburtonif you're not providing a bsp definition then make sure you set KMACHINE to the right one10:21
Ad0thanks10:22
Ad0that var is nowhere in meta-raspberrypi tho10:23
Ad0something else sets that maybe10:23
rburtonas i said, default is MACHINE10:23
rburtonhttps://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/tree/meta/classes-recipe/kernel-yocto.bbclass#n1710:23
Ad0thanks a lot10:24
Ad0so you can set a different machine for kernel10:25
Ad0it worked setting it to it but I guess I have to find the right name ... Could not locate BSP definition for raspberrypi3/standard and no defconfig was provided10:26
rburtonhave you created a new machine that pulls in the rpi machine?10:26
Ad0no, just require conf/machine/include/arm/armv7a/tune-cortexa7.inc and include conf/machine/include/rpi-base.inc10:27
rburtonmeta-raspberrypi doesn't even use linux-yocto, so you either need to use the meta-rpi kernel, or provide your own config10:28
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Ad0ok10:28
Ad0I will just copy the defconfig from the linux-raspberry pi and use that as a baseline. what sucks is that I have to think about updating that too10:29
rburtonthe rpi kernel pulls the rpi fork of linux which has a defconfig in10:30
Ad0yeah10:30
rburtonuse that :)10:30
Ad0linux-raspberrypi/1_5.15.92+gitAUTOINC+509f4b9d68_14b35093ca-r0/defconfig10:31
Ad0so if I use git pull on that layer I might have to update it10:31
rburtonrecipes-kernel/linux/linux-raspberrypi.inc:KBUILD_DEFCONFIG:raspberrypi4 ?= "bcm2711_defconfig"10:31
rburtonif you use their kernel tree then you can just use the defconfig it provides10:31
Ad0maybe I can set the KBUILD_DEFCONFIG in my bbappend for my machines then?10:32
rburtonif you have rpi hardware then i don't know why you don't just use the rpi kernel in meta-rpi, but yes you could recreate the recipe10:33
Ad0I seen that name but not gotten into it (meta-rpi) , not sure what the diff is between that and meta-raspberrypi10:34
rburtoni was being lazy, meta-raspberrypi is what i meant10:34
Ad0yeah I have seen some alternate layer for meta-rasperrypi10:34
Ad0I use the kernel there but10:34
Ad0setting KBUILD_DEFCONFIG in my bbappend worked10:37
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Guest40Good all, I am trying to create a yocto, which has two recipes, one "mount-points" which does the mount of the disks, and in the other one I want to create a directory and add a file to that directory "utilities.bb", in "utilities.bb" I have specified with RDEPEND that "mount-points" must be executed first so there is no conflict with10:48
Guest40"utilities.bb" but I am not able to create the directory after the mount.10:48
Guest40I have tried to create the directory in / instead of in the disk I am mounting and it has worked without problem so I understand that the recipe works fine and the problem is that it will try to mount later and it will step on the directory that is created with "utilities.bb".10:48
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rburtonGuest40: mounts happen on boot, but recipes write files at build time. what are you _actually_ trying to do?10:50
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Ad0thanks rburton10:50
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Guest40rburton i'm trying to mount sda2 on /disk2 and then create a directory on that disk, /disk2/directory1, I mount with one recipe and make the directory with another, and the one that makes de directory has the RDEPENDS of mount11:01
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rburtonGuest40: think about the operation order.  mount points happen on the target during boot.  if you want to split a filesystem up into partitions then wic can do that, look up the --exclude-path option11:16
Guest40rburton: ok , i will check it, thankyou11:20
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thomas_34If I define OE_CMAKE = "foobar" in my recipe.bb and inherite the "base" class, should then show up the string "foobar" somewhere in run.do_compile file of that recipe?12:24
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Ad0how do I verify that a config fragmet made it into the kernel config ? bitbake virtual/kernel -c kernel_configcheck -f returns nothing12:57
Ad0also the fragment made from pasting my kernel config over the original have much of the same variables with the same settings as the original Oo12:58
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rburtonAd0: bitbake virtual/kernel -c showconfig will tell you the path of the .config file that was actually used13:56
Ad0thanks13:56
rburton(or just look in the build tree)13:56
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Guest84Hello14:11
Guest84Is it possible to downgrade python3 to 3.8 in kirkstone?14:12
rburtonnot easily14:13
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Guest84I was thinking checking out gatesharth and stealing their python3 recipe, add a PREFERRED_VERSION in local.conf14:17
Guest84Now problem is recipes syntax14:17
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Guest84There is a script which can try and take care of that but python3 is a massive set of recipes14:18
rburtonwhy do you need to downgrade?14:19
Guest84would that work?14:19
rburtonpython3 is one recipe14:19
Guest84The python3 directory is massive14:20
rburtonsure, but the recipe is just python3_*.bb14:20
paulbarkerHey folks, here's something I've not thought about before but came up in discussions today - should we be providing an older linux-libc-headers version if our BSP provides a kernel version older than the one in oe-core?14:20
Guest84Nothing else to change but the python3_blah.bb file?14:21
paulbarkerE.g. Scarthgap will have linux-libc-headers 6.6, but our BSP will use the 6.1 CIP kernel by default14:21
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Guest84Let me try that and I’ll come back to you14:21
Guest84rburton: Thanks14:22
paulbarkerhttps://docs.kernel.org/kbuild/headers_install.html explicitly says that "Kernel headers are backwards compatible, but not forwards compatible."14:22
rburtonzeddii: ^^^14:22
paulbarkerMy reading of that is that we should be providing the older linux-libc-headers version in our BSP and using it when we build an older kernel14:22
zeddiiit's been stated that way for years. in practice, we've hit a grand total of zero issues.14:25
zeddiiI'd be strongly against any changes in core to the headers, but people can do whatever they want in their own layers.14:25
paulbarkerzeddii: We definitely don't need any changes in core.14:27
zeddiimy opinion stands on any layer, but I just obviously have no input on them.14:28
paulbarkerI expect issues would occur if someone used flashy new kernel features that weren't present in our older BSP kernel, but adoption of new APIs/etc is usually slow14:28
zeddiiif you change the libc-headers, you are then repsponsible for the complete testing of all your applications and there's not much OEcore or any maintenance can do if you run into an issues.14:28
zeddiipaulbarker: and that's a pathalogically evil program that is going directly at kernel headers and structures. if something goes through libc, they are well protected.14:29
zeddiithis is very well trodden ground.14:29
zeddii(the libc-headers question)14:29
zeddiiI answered it about 13 years ago at Wind River, and the answer still hasn't changed.14:29
paulbarkerzeddii: From that I imply that Go is pathologically evil, and I don't disagree haha14:29
zeddiiindeed!14:30
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RPpaulbarker: keep in mind that linux-libc-headers works in conjunction with glibc and the toolchain to decide what to do. glibc has the notion of "OLDEST_KERNEL" and the "guarantees" are also from components like glibc.14:32
RPpaulbarker: you really don't want or need multiple toolchains and libc-headers versions around14:34
RPpaulbarker: as zeddii says, whilst you may not have considered it, it has been given a lot of thought and real world testing over the last decade+14:35
paulbarkerSo, the conclusion would be - libc provides enough of a buffer to prevent issues14:40
zeddiithe only class of applications that even have a chance of running into issues are exchanging structures with the kernel AND if the kernel for some reason decided to re-order a structure. The userspace ABI promise is in play, regardless of what libc-headers says.14:43
zeddiiif something is that tied to the kernel, you'd hope that same application is checking the version, etc.14:43
jdiezwhen modifying (with `devtool modify`) a build tool that is required by another recipe, is it enough to do `devtool build <buildtool>`? the changes I made don't seem to be visible when I build the recipe that depends on this build tool14:44
paulbarkerThanks zeddii and RP, I appreciate the input. Will discuss with the rest of our team14:44
Ad0lol got tired of network manager's BS and disabled ipv614:48
rburtonRP: so i ran all of the ptests against poky-altcfg.  all passed... except valgrind which explodes for god knows what reasons14:52
vmesonrburton: you called my son...14:52
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rburtonthe gdb tests specifically fail dramatically14:53
vmesonrburton: is this just master or are you up to something interesting?14:53
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jdiezdoesn't look like `devtool build <devtool>` is sufficient to use the new build tool in my dependent recipe. Also, using `devtool modify` and `devtool finish` on an already-patched recipe seems to only write out the most recent patch, overwriting previous ones :(15:10
RPrburton: are you saying we should expand the test matrix? :)15:11
RPrburton: and is that more or less useful than musl ptest?15:11
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rburtonvmeson: master with poky-altcfg15:23
rburtonRP: i think its fair that it actually works before expanding the matrix15:24
vmesonrburton: I'll take a look when I get some time.15:24
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RPrburton: we also don't really have the arm builder capacity to do this on arm15:36
rburtoni don't mind what host its on15:37
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RPx86 is obviously easier15:38
RPrburton: might be an idea to put the AB config in place so we can enable when ready? We should do this for musl too?15:38
rburtonyeah15:38
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gmorell  /w 215:50
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paulbarkerzeddii: We see no warnings building Linux 5.10 with the latest master, despite OLDEST_KERNEL being set to 5.1516:15
paulbarkerhttps://git.yoctoproject.org/poky/tree/meta/classes-recipe/kernel.bbclass#n647 is: check_oldest_kernel[vardepsexclude] += "OLDEST_KERNEL KERNEL_VERSION"16:15
paulbarkerDoesn't that stop the check function from re-running if KERNEL_VERSION is changed?16:16
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Guest40hi , i want to add file to a data partition, not to root. How can i achive this? i've got the partition created with wic and .wks, but don't know how to add the files and directories i need16:26
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olanijdiez: Did you add the build tool to DEPENDS of your modified recipe?16:50
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jdiezolani: I was modifying the recipe/source code of a build tool that was in the DEPENDS of another recipe. Due to it being a build tool, I needed to build the -native version of the package, which I could not do with `devtool`16:51
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rburtonthat should work16:56
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paulbarkerzeddii: I found my issue and sent a patch: https://lore.kernel.org/openembedded-core/20240313172842.4631-1-paul.barker.ct@bp.renesas.com/T/#u17:30
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pbiel I'm a bit confused abut how should I approach the following problem in Yocto.17:45
pbielFor example I have a machine and I would like to achieve the following:17:45
pbiel    for development builds I would like to use extlinux configuration and store let's say 10 different device tree blobs on /boot partition to allow switching between them on boot for the purpose of some tests17:45
pbiel    on the other hand for the same machine for a production build I would like to add some patches to u-boot that remove all the unnecessary u-boot commands and leave only bootm command, the same goes for the image type I would like to use for the production build - fitImage and what's more signed17:45
pbielBasically this can be applied to more use cases, not only u-boot.17:45
pbielWhenever I searched for the answer to this question, most answers concerned the image generation where the solution is simple - just create two image variants: *dev, *production, and install appropriate packages accordingly. But this cannot be applied as things like kernel device tree, uboot config and so on are configured in machine file.17:45
pbielWhat is the canonical solution for such problems?17:45
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khem Linux 6.8 ships with Ubuntu 24.04 when it is released next month, so I guess its also going to be a lts like ?18:00
rburtonwho knows :)18:01
khemyeah18:03
khempbiel: I would say, define new distro_features dev and prod and make the needed changes under those since the changes are not only in recipe space but also global namespace18:05
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pbielWell that makes sens actually. I'm looking at this moment at the ATF recpipe for one of NXP's boards, and in fact, in that recipe they change if DISTRO_FEATURES contains secure. If so they use UBOOT_BINARY that is preconfigured to support secure boot, otherwise they use standard u-boot config18:09
pbielthey check*18:10
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jonmasonpidge: is it you who is making a mess with screens and qemuarmv5?  ;-)19:45
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RPjonmason: it was. rburton said you were just the person to help sort it all out! :)20:21
jonmasonRP: just like rburton to throw me under the bus while out on vacation ;-)20:22
jonmasonUpdated the bug, I _think_ I know the issue, just not sure if they fix is what we want to do20:22
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RPjonmason: he said you were due back and be eager to help :)20:23
jonmasonlmao20:23
jonmasonI must remember when he's out on vacation20:24
ZapadosHow do I layer kas YMLs?  For example, parent.yml has some BBLAYERS ?= in it.  Then I want child.yml, header: includes: -parent.yml, then append some more BBLAYERS in there.  Any way to do that?20:24
jonmasonZapados: we're doing it in meta-arm20:24
jonmasonthere is an include method20:24
jonmasonone sec and i'll link you20:24
jonmasonZapados: https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-arm/tree/ci/qemuarm.yml20:25
Zapadosjonmason I don't see that extending BBLAYERS though.20:26
vvnhi there -- I have an ERROR: No recipes in default available for: <paths-to-dynamic-multimedia-layer>/libcamera_%.bbappend, but I do have meta-multimedia in my BBLAYERS. Any idea what could be the issue? Layers order or priority maybe?20:26
jonmasonZapados: I thought you were generally asking how to layer them20:27
jonmasonyou can see in base.yml how to change variables20:27
jonmasonhttps://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-arm/tree/ci/base.yml20:27
jonmasonthat is what is included in that qemuarm.yml file20:28
jonmasonand we tweak it further in testimage.yml20:28
jonmasonand in xen.yml20:28
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jonmasonthen you just do something like "kas build ci/qemuarm.yml:ci/xen.yml:ci/testimage.yml"20:28
Zapadosjonmason looking at testimage.yml, what additional layers are added there?   It's likely I'm thinking about this wrong...?20:31
jonmasonif you want layers, xen.yml pulls in meta-virt20:31
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jonmasonessentially, you are modifying the local.conf via the tag "local_conf_header:"20:32
Zapadosjonmason so to extend BBLAYERS I could do something like BBLAYERS:append = " test"?20:33
ZapadosAhh, this was stacking:20:34
Zapadosbblayers_conf_header:20:34
Zapados    meta-xxxbase: |20:34
Zapados        LCONF_VERSION = "7"20:34
Zapados        BBPATH = "${TOPDIR}"20:34
Zapados        BBFILES ?= ""20:34
Zapados    layer-order: |20:34
Zapados        BBLAYERS ?= "                                               \20:34
ZapadosBad idea maybe?20:34
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jonmasonyou only need the secondary names if you are going to override them in another yml20:43
jonmasonbut that looks like it might work20:43
Zapadosi'd like to extend them, not override.  Say there are 30 BBLAYERS entries in first YML.  Second YML needs to add 2 more layers.  I just want to extend the list by the 2 more.20:44
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jwinarskWhat are the known working references for the pipewire/wireplumber recipes in master?  My primary interest is video right now20:52
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pidgejonmason: Yes, I was. I'll check out the bug tomorrow when I'm more awake.21:01
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KanjiMonsterZapados: you shouldn't need to manually set BBLAYERS (or bblayers.conf), kas would usually autogenerate conf/bblayers.conf based on the defined layers: in repos: in all included yml files21:02
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ZapadosOof my connection dropped.  :P21:08
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khemvvn: interesting. I have the bbappend from meta-rpi dynamic layer and it does not complain like yours, so I wonder if this recipe is somehow masked in your distro setup21:23
vvnI'm wondering the same thing. In my company layer, I do have a dynamic bbappend for libcamera as well. How can I debug that?21:24
khemgrep for libcamera in all layers21:25
* vvn was expecting some magic bitbake-layers trick from khem21:26
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rburtonZapados: normally you let kas deal with BBLAYERS and don't assign it yourself21:46
Zapadosrburton ahh!21:47
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rburtonas jon said, meta-arm has a non-trivial but not complicated setup involving lots of fragments that get overlaid21:52
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Zapadosrburton if I clone meta-arm but name it meta-arm_TEST, does the repo: meta-arm: break because it doesn't have a "path:"?22:57
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jwinarskHas anyone built swiftshader for riscv64?  I'm hitting error with this function: `llvm::jitlink::InProcessMemoryManager::Create()`.  There are couple upstream bugs.23:29
vmesonNope: https://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/recipes/?q=swiftshader -> NULL23:48
vmesonFor the curioius: https://github.com/google/swiftshader  SwiftShader is a high-performance CPU-based implementation of the Vulkan graphics API.23:50

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