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| qschulz | jmd: look into the logs for do_prepare_recipe_sysroot, not do_install, as this is where the installation of the user will happen as far as I understood | 07:43 |
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| jmd | qschulz: Ok. Thanks for the hints. I will look at this again later today. | 07:45 |
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| jsolano | Can anybody share a working configuration/setup for a Beagleplay? I keep getting errors using different releases/tags that seem to work for others (e.g. Bootlin labs) | 08:20 |
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| jmd | How do I see the DISTRO_NAME and DISTRO_VERSION from a running system? | 08:28 |
| rburton | jsolano: meta-beagle is the official BSP | 08:31 |
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| mckoan | jmd: https://wiki.koansoftware.com/index.php/Add_build_information_into_a_Yocto_image | 08:38 |
| jmd | mckoan: I see. | 08:40 |
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| jmd | I also notice /etc/os-release | 08:40 |
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| Guest57 | Hi, does anyone know if I can use https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/classes.html#github-releases to fetch a release from a private repository in github? | 08:57 |
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| jsolano | rburton: yes, I am using meta-ti/meta-beagle, basically I would be grateful if somebody can show the commit/tags used with meta-ti, poky, and meta-arm which compile and produce a working image | 09:17 |
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| agodard | kanavin: odd question: can a built-in fragment have a space-separated value? I was able to set one but then bitbake-config-build list-fragments fails. I think I found a bug? :) | 09:22 |
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| kanavin | agodard, you need to tell what you did | 09:29 |
| kanavin | maybe it can, I don't know. | 09:30 |
| agodard | kanavin: bitbake-config-build enable-fragment machine/"qemu foobar" | 09:30 |
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| kanavin | and what is then in auto.conf? | 09:30 |
| agodard | kanavin: OE_FRAGMENTS += "... core/yocto/sstate-mirror-cdn machine/qemu hello" | 09:32 |
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| kanavin | which doesn't make sense, does it? | 09:32 |
| agodard | kanavin: ofc s/foobar/hello/ when I tested this. yes, this is wrong | 09:32 |
| kanavin | in general space separated values usually mean list of things, built-in fragments aren't mean to set lists | 09:33 |
| kanavin | *meant | 09:33 |
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| kanavin | you'd need to invent a special additional syntax that would say "append to this variable instead of setting it" | 09:34 |
| agodard | kanavin: it's what I was thinking too, I don't think I can see why we would put a list in a built-in fragment - so we should probably prevent users from doing it then | 09:34 |
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| qschulz | Guest57: if they are fetched via the http fetcher, then I believe you should set up the infra outside of Yocto | 09:40 |
| qschulz | that is, it's a wget configuration issue that you should be able to handle outside of Yocto? | 09:40 |
| qschulz | maybe via .netrc or something like that? | 09:40 |
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| Guest57 | but yocto supports protocol=http and supports downloading released archives if the repo is public... is there no way to download a release from a private repo? I don't have a wget config issue, wget can download it using scripts like https://gist.github.com/maxim/6e15aa45ba010ab030c4?permalink_comment_id=2990095#gistcomment-2990095 | 09:42 |
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| qschulz | Guest57: what exactly do you want Yocto to be doing? Having a variable store the PAT? That would expose your credentials in the logs or even in the source code | 09:44 |
| Guest57 | I was hoping it could use an environment variable name | 09:45 |
| qschulz | that's why we don't want to handle that, so please check if it works by setting up a .netrc, which bitbake will respect | 09:45 |
| Guest57 | ok, I'm not familiar with .netrc but I'll look into it, thank you! | 09:45 |
| qschulz | we already have that handling for SOURCE_MIRROR_URL and SSTATE_MIRROR_URL so I assume this should work just fine for recipes | 09:45 |
| qschulz | https://docs.yoctoproject.org/ref-manual/variables.html#term-SOURCE_MIRROR_URL for an example | 09:46 |
| qschulz | I assume the password will be the PAT | 09:46 |
| qschulz | https://medium.com/@ajengtyameiranti/set-personal-access-token-using-netrc-on-macos-9b908cba192b seems to be doing the same thing (disregard the MacOS part, it's not relevant here I assume) | 09:46 |
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| Guest57 | great, thanks again | 09:47 |
| qschulz | Guest57: let us know how it goes! | 09:47 |
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| walter | Hello, I'm monkeying around with a DTS for an RK3399 device, trying to lear stuff, and I'm appending the DTS to the linux-yocto SRC_URI. And this triggers a full rebuild of the kernel+modules on each change, and it takes like 15minutes each time I want to test something. Is there a different way to provide a custom DTB so that changes don't trigger full kernel rebuilds? | 10:00 |
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| yannd | docs.yoctoproject.org is down, right? | 10:04 |
| rburton | yannd: nope https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/docs.yoctoproject.org.html | 10:04 |
| paulbarker | yannd: It was up within the last hour but now isn't loading for me | 10:04 |
| rburton | it just worked for me | 10:05 |
| walter | No, it's just slow sometimes. I even restarted my router, thinking it's on my side, then I realized it's just the yocto docs that is slow. | 10:05 |
| qschulz | walter: use a devicetree reipce | 10:05 |
| yannd | does it respond to ping for you? it does not here | 10:06 |
| qschulz | yannd: doesn't ping but loads fine here | 10:07 |
| qschulz | (Vienna, Austria) | 10:07 |
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| qschulz | walter: meta-selftest/recipes-test/ext-dtb/bbb-dtbs-as-ext.bb as an example maybe? | 10:08 |
| walter | I was looking at the mender, but that seems better. thanks a lot! | 10:09 |
| qschulz | walter: I would recommend NOT using Yocto for bringing up a board (i.e. U-Boot/any bootloader and Linux kernel (or any other OS). It's not useful IMO (though my job has always been to only do BSPs, so I'm used to do things outside of Yocto) | 10:12 |
| yannd | must be a peering issue somewhere? tracerouting it shows the traffic going to twelve99.net and no further, no clue if that's where the server lives | 10:12 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, so where you're at now? | 10:33 |
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| yannd | the bitbake doc does not seem to mention that `do_build` is marked `nostamp`, is it just supposed to apply to the stub in base.bbclass? It still applies to my (empty) overload of it, but I don't see poky unsetting that flag | 10:48 |
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| kanavin | yannd, how and where do you see that do_build is nostamp? | 10:51 |
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| kanavin | yannd, it's noexec, but it is not nostamp as far as I see | 10:55 |
| yannd | in bitbake 2.10, in classes/base.bbclass | 10:59 |
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| yannd | despite this, `bitbake xxx -c build -e` in poky does not list `do_build` in $_task_deps ... but it does in my non-yocto setup ... and I understand better the latter than the former | 11:01 |
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| walter | I'm using `KERNEL_DEVICETREE` and it seems that the note in the manual is wrong. It says that I just need to provide the dtb file instead of the full path, when in fact I also need to provide a path that include the chip manufacturer, aka, the path is relative to the dts directory. | 11:02 |
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| kanavin | yannd, when using oe-core, base.bbclass from bitbake is not used, rather base.bbclass from oe-core is. And that does not add nostamp. | 11:05 |
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| kanavin | check meta/classes-global/base.bbclass | 11:07 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: very practically, in Austria ;-) | 11:08 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: concerning bitbake-setup, my current learnings are that the state/hashserv thing is essentially enabled by default with no fallback, and that the resulting build setup tries to use user namespaces, which conflicts with AppArmor in the form of broken fetching. There's a couple of other possibly personal things, but those two I consider very problematic. | 11:12 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, the apparmor/namespace thing is not specific to bitbake-setup. It's going to happen in plain poky master checkout as well. | 11:13 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: for the sstate/hashserv, at least for me its confusing that there is no obvious way to disable it. So far all of the stuff was in local.conf, and I would just look in there and enable/disable things as needed. now local.conf is empty, so where am I expected to comment things out? | 11:14 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: and for the apparmor thing, sorry, I'm not convinced (yet). I usually try with clean poky master checkouts also, and I've never seen it happen there. but still verifying that. | 11:15 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, websockets is just basically another host requirement that should be added to yocto manuals. You need to look in conf/auto.conf to see it. | 11:16 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, you may not be convinced, but you should trust a bit more what I and ross are saying. bitbake-setup literally checks out the same code that poky does, and there's no 'special apparmor setting' anywhere in it. | 11:16 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: like said, I'm just right now re-testing. | 11:17 |
| rburton | there is a number of ways that the apparmor thing isn't triggered: my build machine uses kerberos for auth so the network disabling doesn't get used, so the apparmor check never has to happen | 11:17 |
| kanavin | rburton, but putting bitbake-setup and poky side by side on the same machine means they will behave the same. I feel Josef is too quick to assign blame :-/ | 11:18 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: I feel you should put a bit more trust in that I *really* try everything two, usually even three times before stepping up here and asking. | 11:19 |
| LetoThe2nd | so if I do 5, 6, 7 builds, and always see the plain poky one pass, the bitbake-setup ones fail, then its a logical assumption. please don't take it personally, I'm just the stand-in at the moment for average Joe who tries to get started. | 11:20 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: if you have a setup where poky master with a fresh build tree doesn't produce apparmor warnings but the same repo with bitbake-setup does then i'd really like to see your machine because that's unexpected. key point: fresh build tree. | 11:25 |
| kanavin | key point 2: poky master, not anything else | 11:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: thats exactly the point. at this very moment, the build is running. poky master as of *right* *now*. all caches cold. build is happily chugging away. | 11:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | just poky master. fully default local.conf right after oe-init-env. | 11:26 |
| rburton | and a fresh bitbake-setup warns still? | 11:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | once it finishes, I'll re-try bitbake-setup. will take a bit of time - not super high powered, and as I said, all caches cold. | 11:27 |
| rburton | the check is done before bitbake does anything useful, so i expect bitbake -n <any recipe> would be a good enough test | 11:28 |
| LetoThe2nd | I can also abort the build if nobody complains later that I should have it let finish, but right now its at task 1650 of about 4000, and no problems yet. | 11:29 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: FWIW I did change my build system recently and it detected and told me off about the apparmor issue (an ubuntu system) | 11:29 |
| rburton | if the test is "the apparmor thing" then you can abort once it's running tasks | 11:29 |
| LetoThe2nd | ok, then I'll shut the build down and re-try bitbake setup. | 11:30 |
| walter | I usually get in and get my hands dirty on any project I can think of, but with Yocto, I feel like I need some guidance, more than I can easily find in the docs and repositories. Do you folks have any books that you can recommend? I'm thinking of buying the one by Salvador and Angolini, it's about 2.5 years old and it's DRM free. No need for pesky apps. | 11:30 |
| rburton | walter: have you tried docs.yoctoproject.org? | 11:31 |
| rburton | i've flicked through a copy of Embedded Linux Development using Yocto Project and it didn't seem bad | 11:32 |
| walter | I'm even grepping it locally, but there are many assumed things that I can't find anywhere. | 11:32 |
| rburton | walter: would be useful if you could write those down, so they can be added to the docs :) | 11:33 |
| walter | And I'm grepping for variables and look at the code to see how they are used. But I'm still comming out short. | 11:33 |
| RP | walter: as rburton said, some pointers on what is missing would be really helpful | 11:36 |
| walter | So, for example, I've tried different ways of adding a DTS to my kernel, that's easy to find. But, once I want to optimize a bit, this is where I'm running into problems. I'm looking at the `devicetree` class, I read what's there, I look at the code for it... but I'm not able to figure out how to get around the fact that I'm using `kernel-devicetree`. | 11:37 |
| kanavin | walter, but reading the code is better than reading a book, any book. Code is the authoritative source for how things actually work, and books, especially printed books in comparison are bound to be both incomplete and out of date. | 11:37 |
| RP | walter: hmm, that is a breadth issue. I personally wouldn't have a clue about that :/ | 11:39 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: for the record, my *guess* is that the apparmor check is not triggering correctly, respectively that there is *SOME* condition under which bitbake decides to either use user namespaces or not. just kicked off the bitbake-setup build here, and it failed again. | 11:39 |
| walter | kanavin: yes, but at one point, there are so many things that it starts to get overwelming, especially when you can't make much progress... probably because my assumptions of how things should work are wrong. | 11:39 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: I'm sure you'd probably said this several times but how is it failing specifically? | 11:40 |
| LetoThe2nd | no warning or mention of apparmor on either. just the observation that on plain poky the build passes and fetches things, where as on the bitbake-setup one the wget fetcher falls over. | 11:40 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: the normal OE sanity tests don't run if you use the fetcher API directly which is what kanavin is doing in bitbake-setup | 11:41 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: bitbake-setup itself works fine. its the resulting build setup which falls over. | 11:41 |
| jmd | So I get a warning: "do_recipe_qa: QA Issue: montserrat-fonts: SRC_URI uses unstable GitHub/GitLab archives, convert recipe to use git protocol [src-uri-bad]" | 11:42 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: what is it fetching when it fails? | 11:42 |
| jmd | But when I change this like the warning suggests, github refuses the connection. | 11:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: printed error log: https://hastebin.com/share/buqocukuho.bash | 11:42 |
| qschulz | walter: patches welcome fro KERNEL_DEVICETREE | 11:42 |
| Saur | jmd: What SRC_URI do you use? | 11:43 |
| kanavin | jmd, QA message is out of date. What it means to say is 'adjust the recipe to fetch from git using http protocol' | 11:43 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: manual wget https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnu/automake/automake-1.18.1.tar.gz passes. | 11:43 |
| kanavin | not 'fetching from git using git protocol' | 11:43 |
| jmd | Saur: SRC_URI = "https://github.com/JulietaUla/Montserrat/archive/refs/heads/master.zip" | 11:44 |
| qschulz | walter: the biggest issue is that this is dependent on the version of the kernel. Aarch64 platforms always had the vendor in the path I think, but Aarch32 (arch/arm in the kernel) only "recently" (a couple of years ago) | 11:44 |
| rburton | jmd: the auto-generated github /archive/ tarballs can/will/do change over time, which means that suddenly your checksums are no longer valid. either use a proper tarball, or fetch git with the git fetcher | 11:44 |
| Saur | jmd: As kanavin said, you must add `;protocol=https` | 11:44 |
| Saur | github no longer supports using the git protocol. | 11:45 |
| qschulz | walter: so we have to remember that when writing the docs. But for sure this isn't enough today! Would you please consider sending a patch for this? | 11:45 |
| walter | qschulz: will do, I already cloned poky and made some notes. | 11:45 |
| jmd | I can add that, but it's aready implied by the "https://" | 11:45 |
| qschulz | walter: https://git.yoctoproject.org/yocto-docs | 11:45 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: is there anything more in /home/tyj/bitbake-builds/poky-master-poky-distro_poky-machine_qemux86-64/build/tmp/work/x86_64-linux/automake-native/1.18.1/temp/log.do_fetch.568353 ? | 11:45 |
| walter | Cloning... thanks | 11:46 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: kanavin: now it gets really weird. bitbake automate-native succeeds on both setups, but when triggered through bitbake core-image-minimal, it fails. | 11:46 |
| rburton | jmd: its telling you do change it to git://github.com/JulietaUla/Montserrat;protocol=https;branch=master | 11:46 |
| Saur | jmd: Oh, that is not a Git URL, that is fetching a zip archive... | 11:46 |
| qschulz | jmd: is there a reason for wanting to use an archive from master? also, this isn't proper as the source will change everytime there's a new commit in the branch no? | 11:47 |
| rburton | yeah master.zip is just a terrible idea | 11:47 |
| qschulz | which is something you do not want (you want to be able to build the same binary now and in 10 years) | 11:48 |
| RP | LetoThe2nd: that seems very odd | 11:48 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: fully agreed. | 11:48 |
| jmd | Ok. Maybe we should reconsider that. | 11:48 |
| qschulz | walter: what is the optimization you were looking for? | 11:48 |
| rburton | LetoThe2nd: computer is haunted. i'd smash it with a hammer and get a new one. | 11:48 |
| rburton | jmd: just grab with git: an explicit sha of a release | 11:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: arm donating? | 11:49 |
| qschulz | jmd: you can have a "version" of the recipe that fetches the latest version upstream and select it when you want to build "on the edge" making sure that eevrything works fine (or as part of some daily CI for example) | 11:49 |
| jmd | rburton: The problem is, building it is non-trivial. | 11:49 |
| rburton | jmd: montserrat? just copy the files. | 11:49 |
| jmd | I'm not sure. There is a build process, I think. | 11:50 |
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| qschulz | jmd: what does fetching from an autogenerated tarball change from fetching with git the repo for building? | 11:50 |
| rburton | jmd: sure but font authors know that most people don't have the tools and commit the fonts: https://github.com/JulietaUla/Montserrat/tree/master/fonts/otf | 11:51 |
| RP | kanavin, LetoThe2nd: Something which may be relevant - once the network namespace pieces kick in, they can't be undone. If that happened in a parent context, it is possible that would survive into a later build. Normal bitbake execution is fine since we throw away execution contexts afterwards | 11:52 |
| LetoThe2nd | RP: kanavin: so more tinkering here. with the pointer to conf/auto.conf, I disabled the sstate CDN - and the build seems to be progressing. | 11:53 |
| walter | qschulz: I don't want to rebuild the kernel every time I change a DTS. So I basically need a way to provide a custom DTB file from outside of linux-yocto. I found several ways of doing this, but there's always a catch and the options don't work. I'm probably approching this from the wrong perspective. | 11:53 |
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| RP | LetoThe2nd, kanavin: I'd ignore me. The network disabling is only done in bitbake-worker so that shouldn't matter :/ | 11:55 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, so can you reproduce this in a container that I can either set up locally, or ssh into? | 11:55 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: RP: kanavin: ok, putting the current observations together: there is something about the CDN fragment which triggers the offending behavior. | 11:56 |
| walter | rburton: I saw in the notes that you've been pondering about migrating the community from IRC. The PostmarketOS community uses Matrix with an IRC bridge, and on the Matrix side, things seem to work nice, especially when there are multiple discussion threads in parallel... You might wanna hop onto their IRC and ask some questions. | 11:57 |
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| walter | https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Matrix_and_IRC | 12:00 |
| LetoThe2nd | also tried to enable the CDN on the plain poky build but it doesn't seem to trigger the behavior. | 12:02 |
| LetoThe2nd | rburton: so not haunted machine, haunted cloud. | 12:05 |
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| yannd | kanavin: oh right, mb. thx! | 12:08 |
| rburton | RP: two series posted that is most of my clang work apart from the actual split, which is regressing annoyingly for reasons i don't understand yet. | 12:09 |
| rburton | also in poky-contrib as ross/llvm-safe but that also has a "altcfg is clang" to ensure it gets beaten out | 12:09 |
| rburton | (which causes a fail in meta-arm so i need to glare at that at some point) | 12:10 |
| rburton | mathieudb: ^^ please incorporate into your next build :) | 12:10 |
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| LetoThe2nd | RP: kanavin: rburton: next find: enabling the CDN on a plain poky build with fully cold caches also exhibits the problem. so it seems that RPs remark of namespaces being unintentionally resident applies. | 12:21 |
| LetoThe2nd | So my personal conclusion now is: bitbake-setup is *NOT* the cause of the problem, but it coincides with the CDN being enabled by default, and that triggered the problem. Causality vs. correlation in full action. | 12:21 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, it seems as though setscene tasks (fetching from sstate mirror over the network) somehow get denied network access, but regular fetch tasks are fine | 12:22 |
| kanavin | if not bb.utils.to_boolean(the_data.getVarFlag(taskname, 'network')): | 12:25 |
| kanavin | if bb.utils.is_local_uid(uid): | 12:25 |
| kanavin | logger.debug("Attempting to disable network for %s" % taskname) | 12:25 |
| kanavin | bb.utils.disable_network(uid, gid) | 12:25 |
| kanavin | else: | 12:25 |
| kanavin | logger.debug("Skipping disable network for %s since %s is not a local uid." % (taskname, uid)) | 12:25 |
| kanavin | These "attempting to disable network" debugs would be useful to get, can you run bitbake with debugging enabled? | 12:25 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: TBH at this point I'll back out and avoid using sstate CDN as I also did before, and stick with my local sstate cache. its nice that we circled the issue. what we make from that is a separate topic for discussion. | 12:25 |
| qschulz | walter: please provide your different ways of doing it and what was wrong with them so we can help, otherwise it's a bit like "i did something and it didn't work, help" and we cannot help much with that :/ | 12:26 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: that debug on a build which exhibits the problem? | 12:26 |
| walter | thanks, will do | 12:26 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, yeah. You can also run experiments with that code (it's in bitbake/bin/bitbake-worker), e.g. comment out the disable_network() call and see if the issue disappears, etc. | 12:27 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: commenting that call out does not make the issue go away. | 12:35 |
| kanavin | that is baffling indeed. what could possibly result in the network not being available in those particular tasks then? | 12:36 |
| kanavin | I assume the actual errors are the same: cannot resolve host names. And those same host names are fine in real fetch task logs. | 12:37 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: ah actually no, the error is different. generically looking like that: https://hastebin.com/share/acuhidoqug.ruby | 12:39 |
| * yannd notes docs website is now reachable again from here, with no visible change in traceroute info ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 12:40 | |
| walter | Docs works for me now. | 12:41 |
| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, is that bitbake output? the full info about what happened is in log.do_task_that_failed | 12:42 |
| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: https://dpaste.com/AU6GG5ZBU (other task but same error) | 12:44 |
| kanavin | Connecting to sstate.yoctoproject.org (sstate.yoctoproject.org)|104.18.0.115|:80... failed: No route to host. | 12:45 |
| kanavin | Connecting to sstate.yoctoproject.org (sstate.yoctoproject.org)|104.18.1.115|:80... failed: No route to host. | 12:45 |
| kanavin | Connecting to sstate.yoctoproject.org (sstate.yoctoproject.org)|2606:4700::6812:73|:80... failed: Network is unreachable. | 12:45 |
| kanavin | Connecting to sstate.yoctoproject.org (sstate.yoctoproject.org)|2606:4700::6812:173|:80... failed: Network is unreachable. | 12:45 |
| LetoThe2nd | yeah so something still seems to kill connectivity. | 12:45 |
| kanavin | wget http://sstate.yoctoproject.org/all/universal/a7/5d/sstate%3Alibgcrypt-native%3Ax86_64-linux%3A1.11.2%3Ar0%3Ax86_64%3A14%3Aa75d020743a7d93441e11efa185b37682970755a8010d5c50f1d2f5d78f68471_populate_sysroot.tar.zst.siginfo | 12:45 |
| kanavin | does that work? | 12:46 |
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| LetoThe2nd | kanavin: yes. | 12:48 |
| kanavin | just in case, what is in your shell environment? anything unusual or particular to bitbake? | 12:49 |
| LetoThe2nd | https://dpaste.com/4WG76GDWR | 12:50 |
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| kanavin | nothing unusual there | 12:52 |
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| kanavin | it also seems as though DNS resolution still works, but routing gets all messed up | 12:54 |
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| yannd | There is no way to trigger a delVarFlag from bitbake statements other than calling it from python, right? (until #13808 is fixed) | 12:55 |
| kanavin | yannd, it helps to first explain what you want to do and why, rather than ask about the particular mechanism you'd like to use | 12:56 |
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| yannd | for now I am using bitbake's base.class, and I want overide do_build not to be nostamp - that is only option I can find (other than dropping that base.class) | 12:59 |
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| rburton | yannd: if you're using bitbake without oe-core then the expectation is (iirc) that you provide your own base.bbclass | 13:00 |
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| yannd | What's the role of the base.bbclass in bitbake repo, then? From its do_build implementation I infered it was meant to be usable as a base. | 13:02 |
| rburton | i expect its not been touched for approx. two decades so consider it an example | 13:03 |
| yannd | Maybe more doc should be written about how to integrate bitbake in a new project :) | 13:03 |
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| yannd | it could even make sense to have an example usage in the bitbake repo, whose correctness would be tested in CI, wdyt? | 13:08 |
| yannd | (as is typical I'd prefer contributing that than adding doc ;) ) | 13:08 |
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| kanavin | yannd, bitbake/lib/bb/tests/runqueue-tests/classes/base.bbclass | 13:11 |
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| kanavin | not sure if it's usable as a starting point, just saying that CI tests exist | 13:12 |
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| kanavin | LetoThe2nd, crazy idea. You said that things work when building e.g. automake-native (few sstate requests), but fail when building core-image-minimal (a lot of sstate requests). Is there something that thinks you are doing a DoS attack, and then disables network access to that host? | 13:24 |
| kanavin | if so, then this should happen on any host distro or container that is on the network you're in. Can you try from a different network provider? | 13:26 |
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| Jones42 | or having a look at network traffic with wireshark? (this is more exciting than any true crime podcast ;-) ) | 13:39 |
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| jonmason | LetoThe2nd: is this chatgpt graphic okay to post? https://chatgpt.com/s/m_68d3f506864c8191a65715d031a5455b | 13:42 |
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| LetoThe2nd | jonmason: for you personally, a bit borderline, but why not. Official, nope. | 13:43 |
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| jonmason | LetoThe2nd: you're no fun. | 13:47 |
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| LetoThe2nd | jonmason: I know, I know. | 13:48 |
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| agodard | kanavin: for adding custom built-in fragments, would a user have an additional addfragments directive, or rather modify OE_FRAGMENTS_BUILTIN? I can't seem to make the first one work, not sure it was designed to be called more than once | 14:00 |
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| RP | jonmason: this is how you get them to keep you away from customers/endusers? :) | 14:02 |
| jonmason | RP: rburton approved of it. Well, he said it was horrific, which I think is British for "cool" | 14:04 |
| rburton | haha | 14:05 |
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| RP | jonmason: heh, I think the translation matrix needs work ;-) | 14:11 |
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| kanavin | agodard, append to OE_FRAGMENTS_BUILTIN | 14:17 |
| kanavin | but we haven't tested such extensions tbh | 14:17 |
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| agodard | kanavin: thanks. yes, I thought it worked but in fact appending OE_FRAGMENTS_BUILTIN does not work because when addfragments is called the value of the variable is still the one defined in bitbake.conf, and hasnt been appended yet :/ | 14:43 |
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| agodard | kanavin: actually appending from a custom layer.conf or local.conf works. just not from a distro conf file | 14:49 |
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| walter | Any ideas where this "Unable to parse" error might be from? Cause it makes no sense to see it in openembedded-core/walnascar. https://paste.sr.ht/~schnwalter/b015db6f91e0dcd508756e057f198dddef36439c -- I've switched to using bitbake directly instead of through poky. | 15:17 |
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| rburton | walter: too old a bitbake maybe? | 15:20 |
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| walter | It's master `Thu Sep 18 14:16:25 2025`. And adding `-D` doesn't provide any additional info. | 15:20 |
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| walter | should I bee on `2025-04.3-walnascar`? if I use `walnascar` for the other layers? | 15:25 |
| walter | that seems to have fixed the issue. | 15:27 |
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| rburton | khem: does clang-target _need_ llvm-as etc, or can i also rip that out? i've managed to make it not need clang-native purely for some host tools, so nuking that dependency would save build time. | 16:51 |
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| jmd | qschulz: <qschulz> look into the logs for do_prepare_recipe_sysroot, | 17:32 |
| jmd | That string does not appear in the log so far as I can tell. | 17:33 |
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| khem | rburton: is does | 17:36 |
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| khem | so we can have full llvm toolchain and work with LTO | 17:36 |
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| kanavin | agodard, ideas how to fix this welcome, OE_FRAGMENTS_BUILTIN should definitely be extensible | 18:38 |
| rburton | khem: sounds like an optional thing to me :) | 18:38 |
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| khem | rburton: kernel build uses LLVM_IAS when using clang toolchain | 20:48 |
| khem | I think if its clang then we should have full on experience IMO | 20:48 |
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| khem | rburton: I am also worried that if we divert too much from upstream in how we build clang, we are also signing up for lot of maintenance on every upgrade | 20:49 |
| khem | unless it get added to upstream clang CI jobs | 20:49 |
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| rburton | khem: pretty sure clang doesn't need clang to build right | 21:00 |
| rburton | though good news: there are no zero binaries that get randomly copied from native build trees and reused | 21:01 |
| rburton | the tblgen ones get installed properly and clang-tidy-blaa gets built natively by clang itself as god intended | 21:01 |
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| khem | rburton: clang can be bootstrapped on its own, or it can use gcc as well. Uniqueness is only when its being ported to another backend | 21:08 |
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| khem | which does not have native CPUs or Qemu is slow to build/test it | 21:08 |
| khem | but, I think its not a huge usecase, as I said, no one is using OE to do that | 21:09 |
| khem | unless we want a share of such devs its perhaps not useful | 21:09 |
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| khem | rburton:yes I reviewed v4, and replayed it on yoe/mut so will give it a run in my CIs | 21:10 |
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| khem | it looks pretty good | 21:10 |
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| khem | rburton: I have two failures building arm builder, one needs gn-native and make perfetto recipe to not use its own binary blob for it | 21:12 |
| khem | so I am happy to accept a gn-native recipe in meta-oe | 21:13 |
| khem | second problem is a qtpdf build failure, which I need to triage | 21:13 |
| khem | both for qemuarm64/clang | 21:13 |
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| khem | then there are ptests from different meta-openembedded layers which are failing but we can slowly burn them off | 21:14 |
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| rburton | We have a gn in meta-arm but FUN TIMES they don’t make releases and break stuff so the same recipe might not build both hafnium and perfetto | 21:50 |
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